The Famous Qadiani Reference Game Exposed

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The Famous Qadiani Reference Game Exposed

Postby naeamz » 05 Jun 2011, 08:52

حدیث لا نبی بعدی اور بزرگان امت : The Famous Qadiani ONE LINER reference game

whenever you debate with the ordinary ahmadi lad; he will take you rather push you into this section, then he will start throwing references like machine gun.. and most common muslims lads just drop their jaws.. :shock:

But did you know that all these refernces are ONE LINERS.. they just quote one line that suits them and ignore rather hide the very next sentence that explains the context??

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Let me show you how:

Hadith e Aysha RA

Ahmadi reference
زوجہ رسول ﷺ حضرت عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا
فرماتی ہیں

لوگو ! آنحضرت ﷺ کو خاتم النبیین تو کہو مگر ہر گز یہ نہ کہو کہ آپ ﷺ کے بعد کوئی نبی نہیں آئے گا ۔

(تفسیر الدرالمنثور جلد ۵ صفحہ ۲۰۴)

Complete Reference
The Ahmadis quote the narration that seems to support their beliefs and creates a
divide. However, what they conveniently
fail to report is the hadith immediately below in Al-Dur Al-Mansur, which explains the narration of Aisha.It is as follows:
وأخرج ابن أبي شيبة عن الشعبي رضي الله عنه قال: قال رجل عند المغيرة بن أبي شعبة صلى الله على محمد خاتم الأنبياء لا نبي بعده فقال المغيرة: حسبك إذا قلت خاتم الأنبياء، فإنا كنا نحدث أن عيسى عليه السلام خارج، فإن هو خرج فقد كان قبله وبعده.

Ibn Abi Shaybah reported that Al-Sha’abi said, “A man at [the company of] Al-
Mughirah ibn Abi Shu'ubah said, ‘May Allah bless Muhammad, the seal of the prophets;
there is no prophet after him.’ So Al-Mughirah said, ‘It is enough for you to say ‘the seal of the prophets’, for we were being told that ‘Isa will be appearing. So, when he
appears, he [‘Isa] would be before him and after him’.”

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The very next hadith narrated by same narrator explains Aysha RA statement. and its perfectly correlates the muslim view

Online access:
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMa ... nguageId=1


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Hazrat Ibn e Qateeba

Ahamdiyya view
قتیبہ
فرماتے ہیں

حضرت عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا کا یہ قول آنحضرت ﷺ کے فرمان ’لانبی بعدی‘ کے مخالف نہیں کیونکہ حضور ﷺ کا مقصد اس فرمان سے یہ ہے کہ میرے بعد کوئی ایسا نبی نہیں جو میری شریعت کو منسوخ کرنے والا ہو ۔

(تاویل مختلف الاحادیث صفحہ ۲۳۶)

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وأما قول عائشة - رضي الله عنها - قولوا لرسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم - خاتم الأنبياء ولا تقولوا لا نبي بعده فإنها تذهب إلى نزول عيسى - عليه السلام - وليس هذا من قولها ناقضا لقول النبي - صلى الله عليه وسلم - لا نبي بعدي لأنه أراد لا نبي بعدي ، ينسخ ما جئت به كما كانت الأنبياء - صلى الله عليهم وسلم - تبعث بالنسخ ، وأرادت هي : لا تقولوا إن المسيح لا ينزل بعده .


The statement is in regard to ISA AS, And this statement does not contradict the statement of Holy Prophet PBUH : NO PROPHET AFTER ME. As he said meant that No Prophet will come after me and Aisha RA said "
DONT SAY THAT (EVEN) ISA AS WILL NOT COME AFTER HIM"

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تاویل مختلف الاحادیث can be accessed online
http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/disp ... o=83&ID=49


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Hazrat Mohi Ud Din Ibn e Arabi

AHMADIYYA REFERENCE

حضرت محی الدین ابن عربی فرماتے ہیں

قول رسول کہ رسالت اور نبوت منقطع ہوگئی ہے ۔ میرے بعد نہ کوئی رسول ہے نہ کوئی نبی ، سے مراد یہ ہے کہ اب ایسا نبی نہیں ہوگا جو میری شریعت کے مخالف شریعت پر ہو ۔ بلکہ جب کبھی کوئی نبی ہوگا تو وہ میری شریعت کے حکم کے ماتحت ہوگا۔
(فتوحات مکیہ جلد ۲ صفحہ ۳)

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Just next to above statement

"This is not against his position in prophethood and not against ISA AS, the Nabi and the Prophet, and not against as He will will come down in the last era and he will not follow his order but our shari'a, and not the shari'at he brought to Bani Israel with which he already came."

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Imam Tahir Gujrati

Ahamdi Narration

محدث امت امام محمد طاہر گجراتی
فرماتے ہیں

حضرت عائشہ رضی اللّٰہ عنہا کا یہ قول ’لانبی بعدی‘ کے منافی نہیں کیونکہ آنحضرت ﷺ کی مراد یہ ہے کہ ایسا نبی نہیں ہوگا جو آپ ﷺ کی شریعت کو منسوخ کرے ۔
(تکملہ مجمع البحار صفحہ ۸۵)

Complete Reference

Imam added

"قُولُوْا: خَاتَمُ النَّبِيِّينَ، وَلاَتَقُوْلُوْا:لاَنَبِيَّ بَعْدِیْ"

(مصنف ابن ابی شیبہ:۹/۲۱۰ ھٰذَا نَاظِرٌ إِلیٰ نُزُوْلِ عِیْسَیٰ"

"this is narrated in context to coming of ISA."

He further commented in meanings of term خَاتَمُ in his book:
"فنظرت الى خاتم النبوة بكسرا لتاءاى فاعل الختم وهو الاتمام و بفتحا بمعنى الطابع اى شي یدل على انه لا نبى بعده "

(If you look at the KHATAM Un Nabuwat with KASARAH under Taa it means " فاعل" that is meant a as الاتمام AL-ATMAAM or completion and FATAH means it to indicate that there is no prophet after him)

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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby naeamz » 05 Jun 2011, 09:00

SHAH WALI ULLAH حضرت شاہ ولی اللہ محدث

Ahmadiyya reference

The LAST of Prophets AS means that there can not be a reformer after him that can bring new Shar'ia.
"Tafheemat Ul Ilahia, VOl 2 page 85"

Complete reference

"وأبو بكر هو مقتد برسول فى دورة الكمال فاجمل كماله ٠٠٠ "
So Abu Bakar as we see, followed Holy Prophet PBUH , His time was beautifully perfect , and guidance came from Allah SWT, And Umar RA inherited it, and took it to fullfilling the duties, then USMAN RA balanced it with his humble personality, In his time, Iman came and hearts opened. And ALI RA the perfect in knowledge"

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If we take ahmadiyya view of ' مصلح ' or reformer as NON LAW BEARING PROPHET then SHAH WALI ALLAH definitely added Hazrat ABUBAKAR, UMAR, USMAN and ALI رضى الله علىهم اجمعىن to prophets.. DID HE??


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NAWAB SIDDIQ HASSAN KHAN SAHIB

AHMADI REF

نواب نورالحسن خان فرماتے ہیں

حدیث ’لاوحی بعدی‘ بے اصل ہے۔البتہ ’لانبی بعدی‘ آیا ہے ۔ جس کے معنی نزدیک اہل علم کہ یہ ہیں کہ میرے بعد کوئی نبی شرع ناسخ نہ لاوے گا ۔

(اقتراب الساعہ صفحہ ۱۶۲)

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After writing the above statement that says " ’لانبی بعدی means that no one will bring new shar'ia after Holy prophet PBUH" He added " In his book, he has clearly explained that ISA AS will order our shari'a and this is concluded from Quran and Hadith."

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Once again the lie is clear as they deliberately hide the further statement that correlates muslim view of coming of ISA AS.

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IMAM RAGHIB's quote in BAHR E MOHIT

Ahmadi Reference

"وقوله: مع الذين أنعم الله عليهم، تفسير لقوله:
{ صراط الذين أنعمت عليهم }
[الفاتحة: 7] وهم من ذكر في هذه الآية. والظاهر أن قوله: من النبيين، تفسير للذين أنعم الله عليهم. فكأنه قيل: من يطع الله ورسوله منكم ألحقه الله بالذين تقدمهم ممن أنعم عليهم. قال الراغب: ممن أنعم عليهم من الفرق الأربع في المنزلة والثواب: النبي بالنبي، والصديق بالصديق، والشهيد بالشهيد، والصالح بالصالح. وأجاز الراغب أن يتعلق من النبيين بقوله: ومن يطع الله والرسول. أي: من النبيين ومن بعدهم، "

BAHR E MOHIT vol 3 page 699

Complete Reference


ويكون قوله: فأولئك مع الذين أنعم الله عليهم إشارة إلى الملأ الأعلى. ثم قال: { وحسن أولئك رفيقاً } ويبين ذلك قول النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم حين الموت " اللهم ألحقني بالرفيق الأعلى " وهذا ظاهر انتهى. وهذا الوجه الذي هو عنده ظاهر فاسد من جهة المعنى، ومن جهة النحو. أما من جهة المعنى فإنّ الرسول هنا هو محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم، أخبر الله تعالى أنْ من يطيعه ويطيع رسوله فهو مع من ذكر، ولو كان من النبيين معلقاً بقوله: ومن يطع الله والرسول، لكان قوله: من النبيين تفسيراً لمن في قوله: ومن يطع. فيلزم أن يكون في زمان الرسول أو بعده أنبياء يطيعونه، وهذا غير ممكن، لأنه قد أخبر تعالى أنّ محمداً هو خاتم النبيين. وقال هو صلى الله عليه وسلم: " لا نبي بعدي

ANd the saying: "they will be in the companionship of the blessed" clearly shows higher position. Then he said ( وحسن أولئك رفيقاً ) this can be narrated from saying of the Prophet PBUH before his death, he said : "O Allah the accept me, O My best companion.". this phenomenon ( of prophethood) is over.because this is void in the apparent meanings . And in its meanings where Holy Prophet PBUH is subject that who ever obeyed HIM and his prophet will be from the later. From these Prophets are not included. Thus when its said: whoever obeys Allah and his prophet PBUH : can not say : from the Prophets. this explaination can not be from this saying. This is not possible for prophets to join after the time of HOLY PROPHET PBUH. And this is impossible. Because Allah has told about Holy Prophet PBUH that he is LAST PROPHET. And HOly Prophet PBUH (himself) said." No Prophets After me"

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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby FindingsIII » 05 Jun 2011, 09:02

This is brilliant...thank you Bro Naemz!!this is where I trip up to when it comes to family members:they catch me out using these sly tactics and then they take my stuttering as defeat.

I tell yyou which one most ahmadis I know love to quote left right and centre:the hadith in which Prophet Muhammad SAAW spoke of khilafat. I can't remember it off the top of my head but it was something like 'after me there will be khilafat, then dictatorship and after this khilafat'..at which point the Prophet SAAW stayed quiet and said no more. They twist this in a very dirty way to suit them.
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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby naeamz » 05 Jun 2011, 09:06

حکیم ترمذی HAKIM TRIMZI

چنانچہ نامور صوفی حضرت ابو عبداللہ محمد بن علی حسین الحکیم الترمذی
(متوفی۳۰۸ھ)کے نزدیک خاتم النبیین کے معنی محض آخری کرنے سے آنحضرت ﷺکی کوئی شان ظاہر نہیں ہوتی آپ لکھتے ہیں :
’’یُظَنُّ اَنَّ خاََتَمَ النَّبِیّٖنَ تَاْوِیْلُہٗ اَنَّہٗ اٰخِرُھُمْ مَبْعَثاً فَاَیُّ مَنْقَبَةٍ فیِْ ھٰذَاوَاَیُّ عِلْمٍ فِیْ ھٰذَا؟ھٰذَاَتأوِیْلُ الْبُلْہِ الْجَہَلَةِ‘‘
(کتاب ختم الاولیاء صفحہ۳۴۱ مطبع الکاثولیکیۃ بیروت)

ترجمہ :۔ یہ جو گمان کیا جاتا ہے کہ خاتم النبیین کی تاویل یہ ہے کہ آپ مبعوث ہونے کے اعتبار سے آخری نبی ہیں بھلا اس میں آپ کی کیا فضیلت وشان ہے؟ اور اس میں کونسی علمی بات ہے ؟یہ تاویل تو کم علم اور کم فہم لوگوں کی ہے ۔

He (may allah bless him ) said
“people consider that meaning of خاتم النبین are that he (saw) have been made the prophet in the end, but question is what makes him superior if such meanings are given to the term خاتم النبین ? what kind of knowledge is in these meanings ? this is the interpretation of ignorant people ”

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و مما ىحقق ذالك , ماروى فى الحدىث المعراج, منحدىث ابو جعفر الرازى,عن ربىع ابن ابى العالىه , فىما ىذكر من مجتمع الانبىاءفى المسجد الاقصى؛ " فىذكر كل نبى من الله علىه. فكان من القول زسول الله صلى الله علىه وسلم , انه قال ؛ وجعلنى خاتِمً و فاتِحاً . فقال ابراهىم علىه السلام, بهذا فضلكم محمد ".


The General readers read KHATAM with Fatah on Taa, But the Scholars read with KASARAH under Taa. then it is interpreted as KHATIM that makes meaning of " اسم فاعل ". that is : Last of the Prophet; who was given prophethood in the end. DO consider this that in the narration of Hadith of Miraj, the one narrated by ABu Jafar al-razi, from Rabi ibn e abi alia, it states the gathering of the prophets SA in Aqsa Mosque. And it is from saying of Holy Prophet. Thus Prophet of Allah said ( in Aqsa gathering) : He made me the LAST and the Opener. and Propher Ibrahim AS replied. O Muhammad PBUH! this is your excellence ( فضیلت۔, فوقیت ) ."

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Shaykh Abdul Karim


Ahmadi reference

" the oreder of shari'a ended with HOLY PROPHET PBUH, thats why he is LAST Prophet PBUH"

Al Insan Ul Kamil Page 115

Complete Reference

"As we have been told that this is related to coming of ISA AS"

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Kanzul Ummal كنزالعمال


Ahmadi Reference

When Holy Prophet PBUH came back from BADAR, His Uncle Hazrat ABBAS asked his permission to go back and come back to MADINAH for HIJRAH, But Holy Prophet PBUH said to him, "dont worry my dear Uncle, you are KHATAM UL MOHAJIREEN like I am KHATAM UL ANBIYA."

Kanz Ul Ummal vol 13 Page 519.

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In the next Hadith:
" the HOLY PROPHET PBUH said to HIS UNCLE, "STAY in your House ( in MAKKAH) as Allah will END the HIJRAT with you as He ENDED the PROPHETHOOD with me"

Kanz Ul Ummal vol 13 Page 519.
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Please NOTE the all Muslim scholars comment on these hadith in reference to HIJRAT from MAKKAH to MADINA only, and HAZRAT ABBAS was LAST person, He was held back by Holy PROPHET PBUH in MAKKAH to keep contacts with Kuffars and help the poor migrants who were coming one by one

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MORE TO COME SOON INSHA ALLAH
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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby xiaahmad » 05 Jun 2011, 09:40

Wow great work

This expose Jammat and their scholars big time and shows that how the deceive common ahmadies and other common ppl

I hope after reading this ahmadies will question the scholarship of their leader and question these tricks of Jammat

Amazing Amazing Amazing work

NOTE:
These all scholars mentioned ESA(AS) so that shows they believe in return of ESA(AS) other wise they didnt need to mention metaphorical thing again while explaining the Ahadith :)
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Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: "Indeed, messengership and Prophethood have terminated. So, there is no Messenger after me and no Prophet”.
(Jami' Tirmidhi, hadith 2272
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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby shahid » 05 Jun 2011, 09:41

Allah bless you naeemz. This is really, really good. Exactly what we need. Please keep it up.
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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby xiaahmad » 05 Jun 2011, 09:46

Brother Shahid make a blog post of this I feel

This expose Ahmadi Jammat big time.... Common ahmadies will see Inshallah once again that how jammat trick them
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: "Indeed, messengership and Prophethood have terminated. So, there is no Messenger after me and no Prophet”.
(Jami' Tirmidhi, hadith 2272
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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby naeamz » 05 Jun 2011, 09:47

Masnad Imam Hunbal

Findings: I know about it, Just read the lines below the narration

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"When (chliphate of) UMAR BIN ABDUL AZIZ came, Yazid bin Bashir explained it under this hadith, that the narration came to existance by AMIR UL MOMINEEN means UMAR (bin Abdul Aziz)"

the Minhaj un Nabuwwat is Revival of Prophethood in terms of Islamic law and order but its nothing to do with Prophethood. The author relates this hadith to Caliphate of UMAR BIN ABDUL AZIZ, should we believe that he was a prophet too?
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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby naeamz » 05 Jun 2011, 09:50

wow..
thanks very much indeed
i didnt expect this big response..
im stunned :D
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Re: The Famous Qadiani Reference Game

Postby shahid » 05 Jun 2011, 09:52

Brother Zia that's a good idea. Video too I think.

Naeemz, is this all your own brilliant work? Is there anybody else we need to credit if we use these brilliant, eye-opening examples in a blog post and video?
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