His Date of Birth

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His Date of Birth

Postby Fuad » 29 Mar 2008, 18:57

Year 1839 or 1840

Image MGAQ wrote: ((My birth took place in 1839 or 1840, during the last part of the Sikh period, and in 1857 I was 16 years of age or in my 17th year; my beard and mustache had not yet started)) – Rouhani Khaza’in, vol 13, Kitab ul Bariyyah, page 177

Friday, 14th of the Lunar Month

Image MGAQ wrote: ((This humble one was born on Friday, on the day 14 of the lunar month)) - Rouhani Khaza’in, vol 17, Tuhfa Golravea, page 281

During Phalguna Hindu Month

Image A follower of MGAQ, Mufti Muhammad Sadiq, wrote ((The Promised Messiah peace be upon him said “my month of birth was Phaagun/Phalguna (a month of the Hindu calendar); it was the day 14 of the lunar month; the day was Friday, and the time was the last part of night”)) – Zikr Habeeb, pages 238 & 239.

The date which satisfies all the above mentioned conditions is:

Gregorian Calendar : Friday 1-March-1839 A.D.
Islamic Calendar: 14 Dhu’l Hijjah 1254 A.H.
Hindu Calendar: Phalguna 16, 1895 V.E.

Online Gregorian-to-Islamic dates conversion

http://www.rabiah.com/convert/convert.php3
OR
http://www.islamicfinder.org/Hcal/index.php

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Online Gregorian-to-Hindu dates conversion

http://web.meson.org/calendars

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Re: His Date of Birth

Postby Fuad » 31 Mar 2008, 04:03

Personally, I don’t really trust MGAQ’s claim that he was born on Friday or 14th of the lunar month or during Phalguna. Apparently, MGAQ wanted to claim that his date of birth was somehow special, for Friday is a special day for Muslims, day 14 of the lunar month has a full moon night and Phalguna is a special month in Hindu religion. However, I have done the above small research just to expose the lies of Qadianis who finally claimed that MGAQ’s actual date of birth is 13-Feb-1835 based on his writings.

It is crystal clear that the Qadianis just wanted to push MGAQ’s date of birth far away from 1839/1840 to give him closer age to 75. However, the date 13-Feb-1835 which they suggested didn’t fall in the Hindu month of Phalguna.

Qadianis claim that 13-Feb-1835 is 1-Phalguna-1891 V.E., while the correct calculation shows that 13-Feb-1835 falls in the previous Hindu month, exactly on 15-Magha-1891 V.E.

Here is the result as per http://web.meson.org/calendars

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However, just for the sake of argument, if we’ll accept the Qadianis’ false claim that 15-Magha in the calculations of http://web.meson.org is equivalent to 1-Phalguna, this will still expose their shameful lies. Based on the same Qadiani false assumption, the nearest Friday 15-Megha to the years 1839/1840, 14th of the lunar month is 9-Feb-1838.

Here is the result as per http://web.meson.org/calendars

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Moreover, based on the Qadianis false calculations, the date 1-March-1839 can be considered 30-Phalguna-1895 V.E. since they should accept +/- 1 day accuracy for the Hindu lunar date calculations.

I wonder when those Qadianis would stop their dirty tactics and their continuous attempts to hide the truth. Anyway, as usual it is quite easy to expose their disgraceful deception and dishonesty.
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Re: His Date of Birth

Postby shahid » 04 Apr 2008, 23:08

Wonderful work brother.

The one thing I have realised about this cult is that it is not just founded on lies, but the lies themselves are buried under yet more lies. And the more lies they tell, the more lies they have to continue to tell in order to defend themselves. The really sad thing is that if you confront them with their lies upon lies, they look at you as if you are the mad one!
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Re: His Date of Birth

Postby Fuad » 01 Mar 2009, 16:43

170th Anniversary - MGAQ birthday

Happy birthday to you MGAQ ,-)

BTW, it is also the 1st Anniversary of TheCult.info forum.
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Re: His Date of Birth

Postby Pleezing One » 01 Mar 2009, 18:36

:mrgreen: GRRREEEEAAATTTTT

Happy Birthday The cult.info and keep up the good work.
FUAD Br, you are truly amazing, you know much more about Qadianism than these qadianis, what if they pick you as their next Khalifa?
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Re: His Date of Birth

Postby shahid » 01 Mar 2009, 19:55

Brothers, you are the founding members and the key contributors, and alhamdulillah, we have been able to keep advising Muslim brothers and sisters of the danger of this fitnah and hopefully advised some of the Qadianis who were thinking about leaving this mendacious cult.

Peace unto those who follow the guidance.
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Re: His Date of Birth

Postby Hussain » 01 Mar 2009, 20:02

Fantastic post and wonderful research. May Allah (SWT) reward you highly...
"The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number." (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 661)
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Re: His Date of Birth

Postby Fuad » 02 Mar 2009, 03:42

Pleezing One wrote:what if they pick you as their next Khalifa?


Hmm! not a bad idea in this global recession period. You know what! I may stop trimming my mustache for couple of years in order to increase my chances! LOL!
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Re: His Date of Birth

Postby xiaahmad » 09 Jun 2010, 11:46

Great search bro faud

here are my input on MGA's DOB:

More Proofs from his own writings:

Proof No.1

Meri paidaish 1839 ya 1840 main sikhon key aakhari waqat main hui (Kitab al-bariyyah page 159)

Proof No.2

1857 main me 16 ya 17 baras ka tha

(ROHANI KHAZAIN Vol-13 page 177)

[1857-17 = 1840]

Proof No. 3

"meri umar qareban 35-36 baras ki ho gi jab hazrat walid sahib ka intaqal hua"

(ROHANI KHAZAIN Vol-13 page 192)

Hakim Ghulam Murtaza died on 20th August 1875

(ROHANI KHAZAIN-18 Page 585)

[1875-36 = 1839]

Proof No.4

"Masih maud farmaatay thay jab Sultan Ahmad paida hua uss waqt hamari umar sirf 16 saal ki thee"

(seerat-ul-mahdi page-256)

"Khan Bahadur Mirza Sultan Ahmad 1856 main paida huay"

(seerat-ul-mahdi page-196-197)

[1856-16 = 1840]

Proof No.5
4 November, 1905

"Meri umar 67 saal hay" (infront of many ppl in Jalsa)

(Lecture Ludhehana ROHANI KHAZAIN vol-20 page 293)

[1905-67=1839]

Proof No. 6

Mirza Ghulam himself said that his year of birth was 1939 in the short autobiography which he wrote in 1897 and which appeared in his book Al-Kitab al-Bariyya
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: "Indeed, messengership and Prophethood have terminated. So, there is no Messenger after me and no Prophet”.
(Jami' Tirmidhi, hadith 2272
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Re: His Date of Birth

Postby admin » 09 Jun 2010, 19:27

Note to all posters: Please note, it's brother FUAD, not "FAUD". Thanks.
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