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		<title>Comment on Lisan al-Arab or The Wahi Database by katty</title>
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		<dc:creator>katty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 11:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOOOOL, you mean the money, they are treasuring the money with all their might</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOOOOL, you mean the money, they are treasuring the money with all their might</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lisan al-Arab or The Wahi Database by Abu Musa</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2012/05/04/lisan-al-arab-or-the-wahi-database/comment-page-1/#comment-27998</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Musa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 03:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read some of the above posts as to what a prophet means in Islam.
According to the Islamic definition of what a prophet is - the Ahmadiyya do not truly believe that Muhammad (saw) was the final prophet. 

Like I mentioned above - you have a different definition of prophet to that of the Muslims - so you cannot keep repeating that you believe something, when you define it differently to how it is meant to be. According to the correct definition of &#039;nabi&#039; - you dont believe that Muhammad (saw) was the last!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read some of the above posts as to what a prophet means in Islam.<br />
According to the Islamic definition of what a prophet is &#8211; the Ahmadiyya do not truly believe that Muhammad (saw) was the final prophet. </p>
<p>Like I mentioned above &#8211; you have a different definition of prophet to that of the Muslims &#8211; so you cannot keep repeating that you believe something, when you define it differently to how it is meant to be. According to the correct definition of &#8216;nabi&#8217; &#8211; you dont believe that Muhammad (saw) was the last!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lisan al-Arab or The Wahi Database by Abu Musa</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2012/05/04/lisan-al-arab-or-the-wahi-database/comment-page-1/#comment-27997</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Musa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 03:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>匿名

You say &#039;last&#039; - but your definition of last is not the definition that the Muslims have understood for 1400 years.

You do not believe that he is the &#039;last&#039; - you believe he is a &#039;non-law bearing prophet&#039; - i.e. you believe that he is a ‘nabi’ and not a ‘rusul’ – since the Islam defines a nabi who comes with no Sharia – whereas a Rasul comes with new laws.

That is not believing that he is the last!
You have to understand that when you talk to a Muslim - you have to at least be on a level playing ground with your definitions - if you are talking about &#039;x&#039; and we are talking about &#039;x&#039; but our definitions of &#039;x&#039; are different - it is a waste of time – especially in putting forward arguments based on that premise. 

Mirza Gullam according to the Ahmadiyya is not the last prophet - there are more to come. Muslims reject this. 

Muslims believe that Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet - as mentioned by Allah (swt) in the Qur&#039;an and the hadith – he is the last law bringer – and the last prophet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>匿名</p>
<p>You say &#8216;last&#8217; &#8211; but your definition of last is not the definition that the Muslims have understood for 1400 years.</p>
<p>You do not believe that he is the &#8216;last&#8217; &#8211; you believe he is a &#8216;non-law bearing prophet&#8217; &#8211; i.e. you believe that he is a ‘nabi’ and not a ‘rusul’ – since the Islam defines a nabi who comes with no Sharia – whereas a Rasul comes with new laws.</p>
<p>That is not believing that he is the last!<br />
You have to understand that when you talk to a Muslim &#8211; you have to at least be on a level playing ground with your definitions &#8211; if you are talking about &#8216;x&#8217; and we are talking about &#8216;x&#8217; but our definitions of &#8216;x&#8217; are different &#8211; it is a waste of time – especially in putting forward arguments based on that premise. </p>
<p>Mirza Gullam according to the Ahmadiyya is not the last prophet &#8211; there are more to come. Muslims reject this. </p>
<p>Muslims believe that Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet &#8211; as mentioned by Allah (swt) in the Qur&#8217;an and the hadith – he is the last law bringer – and the last prophet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lisan al-Arab or The Wahi Database by Abu Iman</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2012/05/04/lisan-al-arab-or-the-wahi-database/comment-page-1/#comment-27996</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Iman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 23:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are not fooled by your words, we know you have left as you cannot reply to any of our comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are not fooled by your words, we know you have left as you cannot reply to any of our comments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lisan al-Arab or The Wahi Database by Abu Musa</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2012/05/04/lisan-al-arab-or-the-wahi-database/comment-page-1/#comment-27995</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Musa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mirza Gullam said:
&quot;The family of Jesus was perfectly holy and immaculate. Jesus&#039; three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into existence. May be it was a condition for divinity. His inclination for prostitutes and interaction with them might also be due to this ancestral relationship.&quot; (Anjam-e-Atham 291)

Now, even if you claim that removing the modern day scholars (after Mirza Gullam appeared) – and we go back to the text of the prophet (saw) – we will have no choice but to be convinced that this man (Mirza) was the promised Messiah due to the signs that he holds, or the timing of his birth, or his death etc... 

Even if this is so (although no major Muslim scholar before Mirza Gullam said anything about India, or the 14th century – rather the hadith point to his arrival in Syria, and a decent from the heavens, and a joining up with the Mehdi and fighting wars) – but anyway, if we go by what you say - I can not  accept that Mirza was that man. Look at his above statement! Is that the words of a guided man?
Perhaps someone else at that time was the promised Messiah – and we all missed him – but there was more change that another random on the street was closer to being a guided individual, picked by Allah (swt) then Mirza. I mean, how does an Ahmadiyya explain this statement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mirza Gullam said:<br />
&#8220;The family of Jesus was perfectly holy and immaculate. Jesus&#8217; three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into existence. May be it was a condition for divinity. His inclination for prostitutes and interaction with them might also be due to this ancestral relationship.&#8221; (Anjam-e-Atham 291)</p>
<p>Now, even if you claim that removing the modern day scholars (after Mirza Gullam appeared) – and we go back to the text of the prophet (saw) – we will have no choice but to be convinced that this man (Mirza) was the promised Messiah due to the signs that he holds, or the timing of his birth, or his death etc&#8230; </p>
<p>Even if this is so (although no major Muslim scholar before Mirza Gullam said anything about India, or the 14th century – rather the hadith point to his arrival in Syria, and a decent from the heavens, and a joining up with the Mehdi and fighting wars) – but anyway, if we go by what you say &#8211; I can not  accept that Mirza was that man. Look at his above statement! Is that the words of a guided man?<br />
Perhaps someone else at that time was the promised Messiah – and we all missed him – but there was more change that another random on the street was closer to being a guided individual, picked by Allah (swt) then Mirza. I mean, how does an Ahmadiyya explain this statement?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lisan al-Arab or The Wahi Database by Abu Musa</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2012/05/04/lisan-al-arab-or-the-wahi-database/comment-page-1/#comment-27994</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Musa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“he did not claim to be Prophet, he claimed to be the Promised Messiah, there is a great amount of difference between a Prophet and a Promised Messiah. The Prophets were all chosen by Allah to teach new teachings, and the Promised Messiah was chosen to reteach the teachings of Islam.”

This is something that was never said by any companion of the prophet (saw), nor any early muslim scholar - or by today’s understanding of what a prophet is by the Muslim scholarship. There is much written on this topic even before Mirza Gullam was born – and none of the scholars agree with what you have said. 

It is only the Ahmadiyya who say this statement – and to coin an ‘islamic principal’ or to ‘redefine one’ 1400 years after it was established and understood to fit your beliefs is a tool that has been used by other religions (Christians) and corrupted Muslims from before.

It is agreed upon that a prophet can follow the law of an older prophet (nabi) – just like Soloman (as) (and all the prophets of the Beni Israail) followed Musa (as)’s Tawra. 
Or a prophet comes with a new set of rules (a new Sharia) like, Nuh (as), Ibraheem (as), Isa (as) or Muhammad (saw) - the Rasul.

Most scholars say that a nabi is one who has no Sharia, whereas a rusul has a Sharia. If you say that a nabi/rasul are the same, then you are saying something that was not understood by all Muslims before and after Mirza Gullam – and you will have a hard time explaining the verse in the Qur’an: ‘And we did not send a nabi, and no rusul except...’ 

I urge you to go back to some old Tafsir books and see what the early Muslims said about what prophets were and what messengers were – Insha&#039;Allah, you will realise that this is an idea coined by the Ahmadiyya over a thousand years after it had been properly understood. 

Wa Allahu Alam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“he did not claim to be Prophet, he claimed to be the Promised Messiah, there is a great amount of difference between a Prophet and a Promised Messiah. The Prophets were all chosen by Allah to teach new teachings, and the Promised Messiah was chosen to reteach the teachings of Islam.”</p>
<p>This is something that was never said by any companion of the prophet (saw), nor any early muslim scholar &#8211; or by today’s understanding of what a prophet is by the Muslim scholarship. There is much written on this topic even before Mirza Gullam was born – and none of the scholars agree with what you have said. </p>
<p>It is only the Ahmadiyya who say this statement – and to coin an ‘islamic principal’ or to ‘redefine one’ 1400 years after it was established and understood to fit your beliefs is a tool that has been used by other religions (Christians) and corrupted Muslims from before.</p>
<p>It is agreed upon that a prophet can follow the law of an older prophet (nabi) – just like Soloman (as) (and all the prophets of the Beni Israail) followed Musa (as)’s Tawra.<br />
Or a prophet comes with a new set of rules (a new Sharia) like, Nuh (as), Ibraheem (as), Isa (as) or Muhammad (saw) &#8211; the Rasul.</p>
<p>Most scholars say that a nabi is one who has no Sharia, whereas a rusul has a Sharia. If you say that a nabi/rasul are the same, then you are saying something that was not understood by all Muslims before and after Mirza Gullam – and you will have a hard time explaining the verse in the Qur’an: ‘And we did not send a nabi, and no rusul except&#8230;’ </p>
<p>I urge you to go back to some old Tafsir books and see what the early Muslims said about what prophets were and what messengers were – Insha&#8217;Allah, you will realise that this is an idea coined by the Ahmadiyya over a thousand years after it had been properly understood. </p>
<p>Wa Allahu Alam</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lisan al-Arab or The Wahi Database by 匿名</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2012/05/04/lisan-al-arab-or-the-wahi-database/comment-page-1/#comment-27993</link>
		<dc:creator>匿名</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 13:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like its a waste of my time to reply to people on this website because everyone here thinks of themselves as a know it all and doesn&#039;t even bother to listen to the facts or accept them.

I stumbled upon this website by mistake and I feel like I would be better off ignoring its existence as well as leaving you all to live in your own stubborn ignorance. 

No matter how much anyone tells you differently you won&#039;t accept it. So i&#039;m not going to waste my time. I have much better stuff to do than trying to change the views of a few stubborn people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like its a waste of my time to reply to people on this website because everyone here thinks of themselves as a know it all and doesn&#8217;t even bother to listen to the facts or accept them.</p>
<p>I stumbled upon this website by mistake and I feel like I would be better off ignoring its existence as well as leaving you all to live in your own stubborn ignorance. </p>
<p>No matter how much anyone tells you differently you won&#8217;t accept it. So i&#8217;m not going to waste my time. I have much better stuff to do than trying to change the views of a few stubborn people.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lisan al-Arab or The Wahi Database by 匿名</title>
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		<dc:creator>匿名</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 13:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ both of you

You are claiming to know facts about other peoples religion better than they would know it.

Ahmadis do believe that the Holy Prophet (SAW) is the last prophet and chief of all prophets, they do not believe that there are many more prophets to come because obviously as I just mentioned they believe that the Holy Prophet is the last prophet and chief of all prophets. They do not believe that the Promised Messiah (as) was a prophet because as the name mentions in itself and is the proof in its entirety the Promised Messiah (as) was a Promised Messiah. If he were a prophet then the word Prophet would be mentioned.

You have no willingness to accept the fact.

No matter how many trillions of times you make this false claim, it will not change the fact that ahmadis believe that the Holy Prophet is the last prophet and chief of all the prophets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ both of you</p>
<p>You are claiming to know facts about other peoples religion better than they would know it.</p>
<p>Ahmadis do believe that the Holy Prophet (SAW) is the last prophet and chief of all prophets, they do not believe that there are many more prophets to come because obviously as I just mentioned they believe that the Holy Prophet is the last prophet and chief of all prophets. They do not believe that the Promised Messiah (as) was a prophet because as the name mentions in itself and is the proof in its entirety the Promised Messiah (as) was a Promised Messiah. If he were a prophet then the word Prophet would be mentioned.</p>
<p>You have no willingness to accept the fact.</p>
<p>No matter how many trillions of times you make this false claim, it will not change the fact that ahmadis believe that the Holy Prophet is the last prophet and chief of all the prophets.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lisan al-Arab or The Wahi Database by 匿名</title>
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		<dc:creator>匿名</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 13:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are clearly not an ahmadi so you know nothing of their beliefs apart from what you are told. 

AHMADIS BELIEVE 100000000% TO THE POWER OF INFINITY THAT THE HOLY PROPHET (SAW) IS THE LAST PROPHET AND THE CHIEF OF ALL PROPHETS. 

If you don&#039;t want to believe that yourself then there&#039;s nothing I or anyone else can do to change that. You either accept the fact or live in your self-created stubborn ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are clearly not an ahmadi so you know nothing of their beliefs apart from what you are told. </p>
<p>AHMADIS BELIEVE 100000000% TO THE POWER OF INFINITY THAT THE HOLY PROPHET (SAW) IS THE LAST PROPHET AND THE CHIEF OF ALL PROPHETS. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to believe that yourself then there&#8217;s nothing I or anyone else can do to change that. You either accept the fact or live in your self-created stubborn ignorance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lisan al-Arab or The Wahi Database by Samia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 08:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Abu Iman

Thank you brother, it was not easy decision to make but it had to be done, I feel it was right thing to do and I waited when I knew that it would not have a major impact on the children and now the children are old enough to make their own adult decisions and understanding, my husband and I decided it was best to part, everyday I am getting stronger and my believes are ever more stronger but still a testing time but Inshah&#039;allah I will survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Abu Iman</p>
<p>Thank you brother, it was not easy decision to make but it had to be done, I feel it was right thing to do and I waited when I knew that it would not have a major impact on the children and now the children are old enough to make their own adult decisions and understanding, my husband and I decided it was best to part, everyday I am getting stronger and my believes are ever more stronger but still a testing time but Inshah&#8217;allah I will survive.</p>
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