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		<title>Comment on Almost Four Years On by Shahid</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/10/29/almost-four-years-on/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dictionary definition of avatar, noun:

"Hindu Mythology. the descent of a deity to the earth in an incarnate form or some manifest shape; the incarnation of a god."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dictionary definition of avatar, noun:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hindu Mythology. the descent of a deity to the earth in an incarnate form or some manifest shape; the incarnation of a god.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Almost Four Years On by newobserver</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/10/29/almost-four-years-on/#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>newobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pretty confused how the matter is closed. You are saying two things in one breath. You say that you agree he is an Avtar of Krishna in a metaphoric sense however is not a reincarnate not even in metaphoric sense because it is not in Islam. What is the difference in Avtar and reincarnate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pretty confused how the matter is closed. You are saying two things in one breath. You say that you agree he is an Avtar of Krishna in a metaphoric sense however is not a reincarnate not even in metaphoric sense because it is not in Islam. What is the difference in Avtar and reincarnate?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Almost Four Years On by syed sulaiman Adnan</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/10/29/almost-four-years-on/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>syed sulaiman Adnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Newobserver, why are you keep trying to irritate me with your nonsense? are you really trying to make me look like "A FOOL NEVER LEARNT?" I told you the matter is closed and am no longer interested to pursue with it, please try to understand.

However, let me re-emphasised my stand as follows :-

It is undisputed fact that all the messengers of God duty are to reform,therefore, it is related with this FACTUAL SENSE or CONTEX that Hazrat Ahmad claimed to be an Avtar of Krishna, not in the sense or contex that you deem it to be, that is REINCARNATED, because being a muslim I do not take reincarnated something as a
FACT.

It is something that does not exist in the teaching of Islam, therefore, cannot be taken whether in metaphoric or literal sense or contex, such thing simply doesn't exit in Islam and I do not beleive it does, so, how am I going to translate something that that does not exit in whatever sense (be it metaphoric or litera?).

Please try to understand, there is nothing more to be discussed,
Thanks for your prayer, God bless you brother.

Matter closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Newobserver, why are you keep trying to irritate me with your nonsense? are you really trying to make me look like &#8220;A FOOL NEVER LEARNT?&#8221; I told you the matter is closed and am no longer interested to pursue with it, please try to understand.</p>
<p>However, let me re-emphasised my stand as follows :-</p>
<p>It is undisputed fact that all the messengers of God duty are to reform,therefore, it is related with this FACTUAL SENSE or CONTEX that Hazrat Ahmad claimed to be an Avtar of Krishna, not in the sense or contex that you deem it to be, that is REINCARNATED, because being a muslim I do not take reincarnated something as a<br />
FACT.</p>
<p>It is something that does not exist in the teaching of Islam, therefore, cannot be taken whether in metaphoric or literal sense or contex, such thing simply doesn&#8217;t exit in Islam and I do not beleive it does, so, how am I going to translate something that that does not exit in whatever sense (be it metaphoric or litera?).</p>
<p>Please try to understand, there is nothing more to be discussed,<br />
Thanks for your prayer, God bless you brother.</p>
<p>Matter closed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mirza and Plagiarism by Shadab</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/06/14/mirza-and-plagiarism/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ True Cultee

Bohras may also claim the same. Melancholia and Impotency were proof of Mirza [shit be upon him] truly cursed.</description>
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<p>Bohras may also claim the same. Melancholia and Impotency were proof of Mirza [shit be upon him] truly cursed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mirza and Yalesh by Shadab</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/06/02/mirza-and-yalesh/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>Shadab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yalash

excellent article brother Fuad. Mirza is Yalash and Yalash is Mirza rotf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yalash</p>
<p>excellent article brother Fuad. Mirza is Yalash and Yalash is Mirza rotf.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Almost Four Years On by newobserver</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/10/29/almost-four-years-on/#comment-709</link>
		<dc:creator>newobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at all the conversation you had on this blog - you basically denied reincarnation in Ahmadiyya beliefs. When I gave you evidence that Mirza Sb claimed himself to be an Avtar of Krishna you said it is a metaphor. However, you still don't believe in a metaphoric re-incarnation (despite clear writing of Mirza Sb), however you believe in metaphoric Avtar, though you never explained the difference between the two.

Then I gave an evidence which proves that Mirza Sb claims to be Krishan for Hindus just as he claims to be Messiah for Muslims. So if he claim of Krishan is metaphor, the claim for Messiah is also a metaphor. Here you simply closed the matter because you think it is foolish to explain beliefs of Ahmadis to others.

Why is it foolish, by the way? This blog is being read by Muslims and Ahmadis all over the world. You have a golden opportunity to explain your religion and call people to accept your belief. But you think it is foolish - why? Please don't run away and I request you evaluate the truth and accept the truth whatever it is. May Allah help you to look for truth. Amin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at all the conversation you had on this blog - you basically denied reincarnation in Ahmadiyya beliefs. When I gave you evidence that Mirza Sb claimed himself to be an Avtar of Krishna you said it is a metaphor. However, you still don&#8217;t believe in a metaphoric re-incarnation (despite clear writing of Mirza Sb), however you believe in metaphoric Avtar, though you never explained the difference between the two.</p>
<p>Then I gave an evidence which proves that Mirza Sb claims to be Krishan for Hindus just as he claims to be Messiah for Muslims. So if he claim of Krishan is metaphor, the claim for Messiah is also a metaphor. Here you simply closed the matter because you think it is foolish to explain beliefs of Ahmadis to others.</p>
<p>Why is it foolish, by the way? This blog is being read by Muslims and Ahmadis all over the world. You have a golden opportunity to explain your religion and call people to accept your belief. But you think it is foolish - why? Please don&#8217;t run away and I request you evaluate the truth and accept the truth whatever it is. May Allah help you to look for truth. Amin</p>
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		<title>Comment on Almost Four Years On by newobserver</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/10/29/almost-four-years-on/#comment-707</link>
		<dc:creator>newobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sulaiman,

If you don't have answers that is fine, we cannot push to reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sulaiman,</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have answers that is fine, we cannot push to reply.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Almost Four Years On by syed sulaiman Adnan</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/10/29/almost-four-years-on/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>syed sulaiman Adnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>newobserver, Hazrat Ahmad is not the reincarnated of Krishna in whatever sense, there is no such teaching in Islam, therefore, it is imposssible for Hazrat Ahmad to do something against the teaching of Islam, if you think there is such teaching in Islam then please prove it in the light of Quranic teaching.

As far as I am concern, I have dealt with the matter clearly and stand firm with my understanding as follows;=

a)Metaphoric sense in the contex of duty field (to reform)

b)Not, metaphoric sense in the contex of reincarnation.

I believe if you were to read sincerely all the books,articles etc,
with regard to Isa Al-Maseeh in the light of Qura'anic teaching, you would certainly find the truth in the Ahmadiyya view points against the others.

I do not find the neccessity to engage with another polemic with you, lest, I might be taken by others as "A FOOL NEVER LEARNT" as well.

ME RUNNING AWAY? NO WAY!!, SINCE YOU LOVE TO SWAY!!! I HAVE TO GIVE YOU WAY, AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT? AM SICK OF YOU ANYWAY!!!.

That's final, I wouldn't be entertaining you further, as I said, lest, I might taken by others as "A FOOL NEVER LEARNT" as well.

Matter closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>newobserver, Hazrat Ahmad is not the reincarnated of Krishna in whatever sense, there is no such teaching in Islam, therefore, it is imposssible for Hazrat Ahmad to do something against the teaching of Islam, if you think there is such teaching in Islam then please prove it in the light of Quranic teaching.</p>
<p>As far as I am concern, I have dealt with the matter clearly and stand firm with my understanding as follows;=</p>
<p>a)Metaphoric sense in the contex of duty field (to reform)</p>
<p>b)Not, metaphoric sense in the contex of reincarnation.</p>
<p>I believe if you were to read sincerely all the books,articles etc,<br />
with regard to Isa Al-Maseeh in the light of Qura&#8217;anic teaching, you would certainly find the truth in the Ahmadiyya view points against the others.</p>
<p>I do not find the neccessity to engage with another polemic with you, lest, I might be taken by others as &#8220;A FOOL NEVER LEARNT&#8221; as well.</p>
<p>ME RUNNING AWAY? NO WAY!!, SINCE YOU LOVE TO SWAY!!! I HAVE TO GIVE YOU WAY, AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT? AM SICK OF YOU ANYWAY!!!.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s final, I wouldn&#8217;t be entertaining you further, as I said, lest, I might taken by others as &#8220;A FOOL NEVER LEARNT&#8221; as well.</p>
<p>Matter closed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Almost Four Years On by newobserver</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/10/29/almost-four-years-on/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>newobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again if you want to run away from discussion, I cannot force you to answer as I told earlier I have experience many times with your community.

QUOTE-as far as I am concern Hazrat Ahmad is not the reincarnation of Krishna in whatever sense-UNQUOTE

This is against the writings of Mirza Sb. He has categorically made a claim that he is an AVTAR of KRISHNA but as far as you are concerned you don't agree with Mirza Sb. Right?

Believing in Maseeh is your basic belief, you should have got enough knowledge to answer a very simple question. I have read the books of Ahmadiyya and it is very difficult to figure out your actual belief. That is why I requested a practicing and faithful Ahmadi to answer some simple questions so that every one could learn clearly about your religion.

The question I asked is actually connected to the debate of re-incarnation, because Mirza Sb says on the same page of Lecture Sialkot:

"just as God has sent me as Promised Messiah for Muslims and Christians, similarly I am like an Autar for Hindus"

Note the words "just as". So if Mirza Sb was Krishna in a metaphoric sense than his claim for being Messiah is also metaphoric and real Maseeh has yet to come. However, if he was actually an Avtar of Krishna then he made a claim for actually being Promised Messiah.

I understand your knowledge about Ahmadi Beliefs is not that of an expert, that is why you denied in the very beginning and are still denying that Mirza Sb was an avtar (re-incarnate) of Krishna. However, I would request you to check these details with a cool mind. Let me also say that please don't deny the truth if it did not originally belonged to you. Please make a decision you will follow the truth and you will preach the truth. I have made that decision and if I get convinced that Mirza Sb was a prophet of God I will definitely become an Ahmadi - but I want to evaluate his claims without any bias. The kind of language you use generally make it difficult to leave bias behind. 

Similarly, I will request you to evaluate claims of Mirza Sb impartially and don't use arguments like, "there are many books,you can always avail yourself with from Ahmadiyya library". If you are a believer in him, you should have knowledge about him to answer simple questions - that will open the way for people to accept your belief. However, if you keep on using harsh language and running away from topics people will definitely call you a cult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again if you want to run away from discussion, I cannot force you to answer as I told earlier I have experience many times with your community.</p>
<p>QUOTE-as far as I am concern Hazrat Ahmad is not the reincarnation of Krishna in whatever sense-UNQUOTE</p>
<p>This is against the writings of Mirza Sb. He has categorically made a claim that he is an AVTAR of KRISHNA but as far as you are concerned you don&#8217;t agree with Mirza Sb. Right?</p>
<p>Believing in Maseeh is your basic belief, you should have got enough knowledge to answer a very simple question. I have read the books of Ahmadiyya and it is very difficult to figure out your actual belief. That is why I requested a practicing and faithful Ahmadi to answer some simple questions so that every one could learn clearly about your religion.</p>
<p>The question I asked is actually connected to the debate of re-incarnation, because Mirza Sb says on the same page of Lecture Sialkot:</p>
<p>&#8220;just as God has sent me as Promised Messiah for Muslims and Christians, similarly I am like an Autar for Hindus&#8221;</p>
<p>Note the words &#8220;just as&#8221;. So if Mirza Sb was Krishna in a metaphoric sense than his claim for being Messiah is also metaphoric and real Maseeh has yet to come. However, if he was actually an Avtar of Krishna then he made a claim for actually being Promised Messiah.</p>
<p>I understand your knowledge about Ahmadi Beliefs is not that of an expert, that is why you denied in the very beginning and are still denying that Mirza Sb was an avtar (re-incarnate) of Krishna. However, I would request you to check these details with a cool mind. Let me also say that please don&#8217;t deny the truth if it did not originally belonged to you. Please make a decision you will follow the truth and you will preach the truth. I have made that decision and if I get convinced that Mirza Sb was a prophet of God I will definitely become an Ahmadi - but I want to evaluate his claims without any bias. The kind of language you use generally make it difficult to leave bias behind. </p>
<p>Similarly, I will request you to evaluate claims of Mirza Sb impartially and don&#8217;t use arguments like, &#8220;there are many books,you can always avail yourself with from Ahmadiyya library&#8221;. If you are a believer in him, you should have knowledge about him to answer simple questions - that will open the way for people to accept your belief. However, if you keep on using harsh language and running away from topics people will definitely call you a cult.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Almost Four Years On by syed sulaiman Adnan</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/10/29/almost-four-years-on/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>syed sulaiman Adnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metaphoric sense in the contex of duty field(to reform)
Not metaphoric sense in the contex of reincarnation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metaphoric sense in the contex of duty field(to reform)<br />
Not metaphoric sense in the contex of reincarnation.</p>
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