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WHY DID I LEAVE AHMADIYYAT by The Rationalist

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It’s simple, I analyzed as to who was a liar between Muhammad Ali or Mahmud Ahmad. Mahmud Ahmad was the liar.

MGAQ didn’t sanction for khilafat in “The Will”, he wrote that the anjuman was collectively the khalifa-tul-masih. Noorudin wrote the same! I can give references as needed.

I read and read and read, this was in my early 20′s. I am now 27. I left at 25, just two years ago. Mahmud Ahmad needed to secure the khilafah, he was broke, his family didn’t have too much money, they were living of off a stipend from the anjuman.

Mahmud needed MGAQ to be a prophet, if MGAQ was a prophet then a system of khilafah could be established. Muhammad Ali wrote in 1909 that khilafah was not neccessary! The wife of MGAQ and her brothers and her father stepped in, the rest is history.

Almost 100 years later, the khilafah has stayed in the family of MGAQ. The 5th khalifa isn’t qualified to give a speech at a 5th grade level, yet he was chosen as khalifa, this proves that this system of khalifah is corrupt, and it was built on a lie.

You see Mahmud Ahmad forged a lie and claimed that MGAQ was a “real prophet”, he did this just to get rich. But, MGAQ had forged a lie and claimed to be Esa ibn Maryam, like father like son. Muhammad Ali was a bystander, guilty by association.

NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!!!

I never accepted the LAM, Next I started reading about Islam, I realized that Islam was beautiful. Then I read the controversial writings of MGAQ, Farhan explained to me as to the beauties of Islam. I read his book, I watched Shahid’s videos. I LEFT like a bat outta hell.

I quickly realized that MGAQ was the biggest liar, Mahmud Ahmad only extended a previous lie. Get the picture?

WE CAN WHAT WE WILL DO—CIRCA 1885

The Mi`raj in Ahmadiyya Thought

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The Ahmadis deny that the Prophet (SAW) physically ascended to heaven during the mi`raj. They claim that the mi`raj was a dream or vision and not a physical event.

In all of my research, the only person that I ever heard of who denied this event was Ibn Ishaq, who narrated a tradition wherein A`isha (ra) claimed that this was a dream. I have never seen a Qadiani refer to this data by Ibn Ishaq.

Questions:

1. When did MGAQ first claim that this was a dream?

2. What year and in which book did MGAQ first write this theory of his?

Out of Context Vol. 2

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4:69

taken from alislam.org
KORAN
[4:70] And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these.

HADITH
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 110:
Narrated ‘Aisha:

I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “No prophet gets sick but he is given the choice to select either this world or the Hereafter.” ‘Aisha added: During his fatal illness, his voice became very husky and I heard him saying: “In the company of those whom is the Grace of Allah, of the prophets, the Siddiqin (those followers of the prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them), the martyrs and the pious.’ (4.69) And from this I came to know that he has been given the option.

1. MGAQ never used this verse to argue that prophethood in the “real” sense of the word was continous. MGAQ argues that the attributes of prophetood (mubashirat and munzirat) were attainable by any honest muslim. In Tiryaq ul quloob(1902) MGAQ went in-depth in explaining how a muhaddas could attain these 4 levels.

1.a. MGAQ took this verse out of context the first time and used it to support a line of argumentation that was previously non-existent.

2. In the beginning of 1915 Mirza Mahmad published 2 books in which he wrote that this koranic verse supported the advent of new prophets.

2.a. Mirza Mahmud followed in his fathers footsteps and altered this verse even further. Neccesity is the mother of invention. Mahmud ahmad needed it to mean that prophets could appear in the future. Unfortunatley both of these books are only available in urdu. They are Qaul-al-fasl (jan 1915) and Haqiq-tun-nubuwwa (march 1915).

3. In the history of ahmadiyya literature, this koranic verse has never been connected with the relevant hadith. The qadianis have tried to hide this verse from the view of the ahmadis.
They are so dishonest that they havent even tried to connect the two, this outlines the qadiani mind-state. They use the koran as they wish.

WHAT DOES THIS VERSE REALLY MEAN?

Ibn Abbas is the father of tafsir, in his tafsir he wrote:

(Whoso obeyeth Allah and the messenger) this verse was revealed about Thawban, the client of Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) who said: “I am afraid not to meet you in the Hereafter, O Messenger of Allah!” This is because he loved him intensely and could not bear being away from him. Allah’s Messenger saw the change in him and so Allah mentioned the honour bestowed on him, saying: whoever obeys Allah regarding the obligations and obeys the Prophet regarding the prophetic practices (they are) in Paradise (with those unto whom Allah hath shown favour, of the Prophets) Muhammad (pbuh) and the other prophets, (and the saints) the best among the Companions of the Prophet (pbuh) (and the martyrs) those who were martyred in the way of Allah (and the righteous) the righteous among the Community of Muhammad (pbuh). (The best of company are they) in Paradise!

Suyuti wrote:
Whoever obeys God and the Messenger, in what he commands, they are with those whom God has blessed of the prophets and the truthful, that is, the most excellent of the Prophet’s Companions, because of the fullness of their truthfulness and their affirmation of the truth; and the martyrs, those slain in the path of God; and the righteous, [all those] other than the ones mentioned. What fine companions they are!, in Paradise, since in it one will enjoy seeing them, visiting them and being in their presence, even though they will be in the highest stations in relation to others.

CONCLUSIONS

This verse was always meant to signify the hereafter. If you are a good muslim (u follow the orders of Muhammad and allah) during your temporary life here on earth, then in the hereafter you would be given the oppurtunity to sit and relax with muhammad and the other prophets of allah.

May allah help the qadianis see the economic trap that they are in.

Out of Context Vol. 1

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The Ahmadis have made it a general practice to re-interpret koranic verses to fit there own needs. Neccesity in the mother of invention. The ahmadis have invented a new koran. I will post a series of mini-articles which will show exactly what verses these people are taking out of context.

The first verse is 3:144, or 145 in the ahmadi koran.
{ وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ ٱلرُّسُلُ أَفإِنْ مَّاتَ أَوْ قُتِلَ ٱنْقَلَبْتُمْ عَلَىٰ أَعْقَابِكُمْ وَمَن يَنقَلِبْ عَلَىٰ عَقِبَيْهِ فَلَن يَضُرَّ ٱللَّهَ شَيْئاً وَسَيَجْزِي ٱللَّهُ ٱلشَّاكِرِينَ }

With regard to their being routed, when it was rumoured that the Prophet had been killed and the hypocrites had said to the believers, ‘If he has been killed, go back to your [previous] religion’, the following was revealed: Muhammad is only a messenger; messengers have passed away before him. Why, if he should die or is slain, like others, will you turn back on your heels, will you return to unbelief (the last statement is the locus of the interrogative of denial, in other words, ‘he was not a worshipped being, so that [if he were to die] you should turn back [to your previous religion]’). If any man should turn back on his heels, he will not harm God in any way, but will be harming himself, and God will requite those that are thankful, for His graces by staying firm. (tafsir al jalayn)

The ahmadis have changed everything about this verse, they claim that this is a major argument in terms of the death of Jesus. MGAQ must have been sitting around trying to think up arguments in support of himself being Jesus and came up with 30 verses that supposedly support the idea that Jesus was dead.

Towards the end of 1890, he claimed to be the second coming of Jesus. In 1891, he published 3 books that explained his stolen ideas (see sir syed’s tafsir). One of the books is called Izaala Auham or in english “Clarification of allegations”.

His 7th argument is the verse 3:145. He explains how this verse proves that Jesus is dead, he also shows a hadith report as another proof. I was not able to locate this hadith report.

THEIR IDEAS
The ahmadis are claiming that in this verse Allah meant all the messengers before Muhammad had died one way or the other. They interpret this in such a manner that they create a connection with the return/death of Jesus. When quoting the hadith they argue that when Hazrat Abu bakr made his argument some of the muslims should have argued that Jesus was still alive. They claim that silence of the muslims proves that they believed that jesus was dead. They inject an assertion that ALLAH meant ALL the prophets here.

THE TRUTH
This verse was revealed just after the battle of Uhud, or towards the end of that battle. This verse was meant to show to the muslims that Muhammad could die in battle. This verse was meant to strengthen the resolve of the muslims. There was no connection with Jesus whatsoever. This verse was revealed to dispel concerns that Islam would ever fail, even if Muhammad were murdered or died naturally.

When the HP(saw) died, Hazrat Abu Bakr repeated this verse in an attempt to cause comfort to the muslims(I have not found this report as of yet). The muslims were shaken up and needed some inspiration to remain muslims among other things. Historical facts prove that many muslims left Islam shortly after the death of the HP(saw).

The ahmadis have added the word “ALL” in italics into this verse, they need for the readers to assume that Allah meant all the messengers have died before Muhammad. And they are translating Korans into over 1000 languages with the word ALL as italicized.

Conclusion
The ahmadis have put a twist on this verse. They have added an assertion that Allah meant ALL the messengers had passed away before Muhammad. This verse was not revealed to prove the death of Jesus, this verse was only revealed to dispel concerns with the muslims who were not strong in their faith.

Ahmadiyya Forums SHUT DOWN!!!!

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The ahmadis have temporarily shut down their forums. Only Allah knows the true reason behind this shut down. Their forum didnt even last 1 month. I dont think that Masroor Ahmad will ever approve of ahmadis going on the net and discussing their religion, there are too many problems that may happen.

I was monitoring this forum regularly, and it appeared that the topic of KUFR and the muslim ummah stirred lots of controversy and confusion. The ahmadis just could not figure out what their own belief was.

Some people commented that if any muslim rejects even one prophet of Allah then that person is no longer a muslim.

Others referred to the statments of the 3rd khalifa in the 1974 court proceedings. I kept asking for a explanation of the writings of the sons of MGAQ from 1911 to 1922. I also referenced the split that occurred in this community. I explained how this topic was the key feature of the split.

Oddly enough, nobody on that forum was up to the scholarly task of analyzing the topic of those who reject their prophet.

Zia Shah was the chief moderator and this guy would not allow a controversial thread to continue, he closed the thread on KUFR citing hurt feelings and confusion.

I challenge any of those ahmadis to come here and have a professional discussion with us.