1. Ahmadiyyat has not contributed anything to the advancement of Islam or the people of the indian subcontinent.

1.a. Ahmadiyyat genuinely supported the white man in his business endeavors. The rest of the muslim ummah paid lip-service until an oppurtunity of revolt was present.

1.b. Your daddy (MGAQ) even wrote to the brits that he is trying to stop the muslims from the filthy ideas of jihad. MGAQ was trying to persuade the brits that he was the MOST LOYAL subject on the planet earth.

2. First of all, the mujadid thing…its only mentioned in one book, that is Abu Daud. Its authenticity is not as high as you are making it out to be.

2.a. What reform did Syed Ahmad Barelvi bring? Remember…he was the mujadid who was doing a jihad against the “british supported” sikhs. Thats right…the brits gave a minority group support to run the country of India…then the brits snatched that from them and confiscated all the land.

3. My point was….if ESA (as) wasnt supposed to physically descend..then why didnt these reformers teach us an alternate idea????

4. You made a mention of islamic secretarianism as if Muslims are soooo bad…look at how they are split up….welll…ahmadis are split up tooo

4.a. You not only created the 73rd sent, you also created the 74th, 75th, 76th…etc etc etc

(i see you are starting to remove my posts – again this post is more fitting here as i meant it as a reply to this statement by Shahid – if you wish to remove it becasue it is repetative – i would request that you remove the same post that is posted further down)

i mentioned the Muslims reformers of each century to bring to bear that though the Quran is perfect, and Islam is the complete and final religion – as mankind is imperfect and tends to drift away from the truth there is a need for the teachings of Islam to be made clear to man from time to time and for the deeper insights of the Quran to be given light – is that not a purpose of saints, waliullahs, and reformers – those who excel in knowledge, wisdom, and righteousness?

your rules say not to use straw man arguments – my point had nothing to do with the Ahmadi Muslim position on Jesus – i did not mention Jesus nor did i say antyhting about what other reformers beleived about Jesus – stop putting words in my mouth –

to answer my rhetorical question you state that “YES, i can name some other sects of ahmadiyya that have nothing to add to islam.” my question was not about Ahmadi sects of Islam, i was asking you about all Muslim sects – let me repeat, by the standard this website has collectively expressed in denouncing Ahmadiyyat, are there any other sects of Islam that you can see as deserving of your denunciation?

1. What reform did each and every reformer bring??
1.a. If allah sent these reformers at the head of every century dont you think that the false beliefs would have been eradicated by now?? If allah sent these reformers then Islam would have never had secretarianism, these reformers would have done their job, i.e. reform.

1.b You are basically saying that allah sent 13 reformers and none of them knew that ESa (as) would NOT physically return. That is what you are saying, and that is just stupid.

1.c. You are saying that 13 reformers came yet they all advocated that mansukh happened, prophethood ended, ESA (as) would return physically.

1.d. So what reform did these 13 people bring?

2. YES, i can name some other sects of ahmadiyya that have nothing to add to islam. The lahoris are 1, green ahmadiyyat is 2, the ahmadois who broke away in mauratious are 3, the ahmadis that broke away from khilafat in nigeria are 4, all the members of ahmadiyya jamaat that claimed prophethood are 5, 6, 7, thru 10

3. The fundamental error of MGA is that he twisted the Quran to match his economic desires. He did the same with hadith. In a muslim country he would have been killed. The brits let him get away with it.

4. MGA was the greatest traitor that the brits ever found in their global domination endeavor. No other non-white helped the cause of the whitey as much as MGAQ tried to..

Islam is a simple religion. Your religion, Ahmadiyyat, which is in fact a business in the garb of a cult, is so complicated that no Ahmadi even understands it. Not even Mirza Ghulam Yalash was able to maintain any consistency about it.

I wonder, when a Muslim reformer came each century after Muhammad Mustafa, if there were those among the Muslims at that time saying that there was no need for such a person, or his ideas or his interpretations? i wonder if there were those among the Muslims claiming that Islam had existed before such a reformer and that he had nothing to contribute to the beautiful religion?

tell me, of all the different sects of Islam, can you guys name a few more that have nothing to offer for the progress of Islam becasue Islam existed before them?

is there something fundamnetally wrong with a person or group being inspired to help in whatever way they can to see Islam progress? Whether or not you agree with Ahmadi Muslim thought, why can they not contirubte to Islam – the religion they love, and that they live and die for?

i know of a fool so steeped in ignorance that he cannot see the picture because his nose is pressed against it – read and study all you want – but it is Islam that attests to the case of the donkey – who, despite carrying with him tons of knowledge, does not comprehend it -

I myself am a historian on the ahmadiyya jamaat. I am an ex-ahmadi. I have read more data on ahmadiyyat than you can ever imagine. I have read about ahmadiyyat almost everyday of my life for the last 5 years.

MGAQ and his khulafa have lied about islam, they created a new version to fulfill their own financial obligations. Mahmud lied about Ibn Arabi and almost every person that he ever referenced.

Why doesnt your Majlis Sultanal Qalam (MSQ) team come here and challenge us to a debate?