The Mushrikun Mujadidds

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

In the 1,433 years since the blessed Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم and his noble Companions radhiallāhu ‘anhum made Hijra, the ummah has been blessed with esteemed personalities whom were strengthened by God to rejuvenate Islam beginning with the century after the Companions radhiallāhu ‘anhum. This belief is sound and found in the following hadith narrated by Abū Hurayrah radhiallāhu ‘anhu:

“Surely, Allah will send for this ummah at the advent of every one hundred years a person (or persons) who will tajdīd [renew, revive, restore] for it its deen [religion].” (Sunan Abū Dawūd, Book 37: Kitab al-Malahim [Battles], #4278)

The great Imam Jalāluddin al-Suyūtī in his Mirqāt al-Saud in the marginal notes of Sunan Abū Dawūd records, “It is ‘ijmā [consensus] of the muhaddithīn (hadith masters) that this hadith is sāhīh.” The word “tajdīd” means the restoration of the original beliefs and practices after their being changed, distorted or forgotten. The person who carries out this exemplary and praiseworthy task is referred to as a mujaddid [reformer]. The definition of mujaddid is given as:

Mujaddid: Renewer. Person who initiates tajdid (renewal). According to hadith, a mujaddid is to come at the beginning of each century to renew the faith and correct the practice of Muslims… back to the Islam of the early community as they interpret it, rejecting as innovations any later added practices or customs.” (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam, John L. Esposito, p.213)

There is broad agreement that the function of the mujaddid is the restoration of Islam to its pristine purity. The Ahmadiyya adhere to this belief as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad himself laid claim to the status of the mujaddid of the 14th Islamic century, stating that each mujaddid is sent by God. In his claim we find that he accepts this report of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم as he uses it as proof of his own standing as the 14th century mujaddid:

“Among the arguments in decisive Hadith reports which confirm the authenticity and truth of the claim of this writer is also the report regarding the appearance of mujaddids which finds a place in Abu Da’ud and Mustadrik, i.e. for this Umma a mujaddid would appear at the head of every century, and would reform the faith according to the needs of the Muslims. The words “he will reform for them” (yujaddidu la-ha¯) in this report show clearly that at the head of every century a mujaddid will come who will reform the prevailing evils.” (A Brief Sketch of My Life, Kitab al-Barriya, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, p.72)

“Dear brethren! It is indispensably necessary for heavenly light to descend when darkness prevails. Thus, the Most High God says in the Holy Qur’an, chapter Al-Qadr, giving glad tidings to the believers, that His Word and His Prophet descended from heaven during the Night of Majesty, the Lailat-ul-Qadr, and so does every Mujaddid or reformer who comes from God.” (Predominance of Islam, Fatah-e-Islam, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, p.37)

The term mushrikun mujaddid is an oxymoron. It is impossible to find one who you believe is a mujaddid [refomer] who is also a mushrik [among those who commit shirk] as the two terms are mutually exclusive. You can not revive a monotheistic religion when you hold beliefs of polytheism.

Mushrik: A person who commits shirk.” (Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Religion, Volume 2, Ramesh Chopra, p.524)

Before providing a list of mujaddids from the perspective of the Ahmadiyya, the point of this article is that the foundational core tenet of the Ahmadiyya religion is that the belief of ʾAhlu-s-Sunnati wal-Jamāʿah [people of the tradition of Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم and the consensus of the Ummah] is not only incorrect but tantamount to shirk [polytheism], specifically the belief that ‘Isa ibn Maryam عليه السلام ascended without māwt [death] and will nuzūl [descend] in the literal sense. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad states:

“…It is rude to say that Jesus didn’t die, it is indeed shirk al-akbar [major polytheism].” (Roohani Khazain, Volume 22, Haqiqat-Ul-Wahi, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, p.660)

In Alhaj Ata Ullah Kaleem a small booklet consisting of twenty-four pages found on the official Ahmadiyya website, it is said that the hadith of the the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم has been fulfilled in terms of the past thirteen centuries. The booklet then produces a list to the effect of listing great Islamic personalities for each century who are declared mujaddids:

“Ummat-e-Muslema has been promised that God will appoint for it in the beginning of every century, one who will restore its faith for it. Consequently, this promise had been fulfilled in the past 13 centuries with the advent of Mujaddideen–regenerators, who were distinguished exemplars of Islam, and played a very important part in spreading and establishing Islam:

1st century Umar Bin Abdul Aziz
2nd century Imam Shafi’i; Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal
3rd century Abu Sharh & Abul Hasan al-Ash’ari
4th century Abu Ubaidullah of Neshapur & Qazi Abu Bakr Baqilani
5th century Imam Al-Ghazali
6th century Al-Sayyid Abdul Qadir Jeelani
7th century Imam Ibn Taimiyyah & Khwaja Mueen-ud Din Chishti
8th century Ibn Hajar Asqalani & Saleh Bin Umar
9th century Imam Suyuti
10th century Muhammad Tahir Gujrati
11th century Al-Sheikh Ahmad of Sirhand, Mujaddid Alf Thani
12th century Shah Wali Allah Muhaddath Dehlavi
13th century Syed Ahmad Barelvi” (Fazl-i-Umar Press, http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000087.html)

Ahmadiyya believe that each one of these mujaddid came to restore Islam to its pristine purity. Hence for them to carry this task out, there is no doubt about their sound aqeeda [creed] from the perspective of the Ahmadiyya, for if they did not have sound core beliefs then how could they possibly attain the status of mujaddid of their respective century when Mirza Ghulam Ahmad himself claims that light provided by God descends through the mujaddid. Though it is possible for them to make mistakes it is impossible for all or even the majority of these personalities to err unanimously as a body on fundamental beliefs and hold a creed with consensus among them which allegedly comprises shirk and thus group them as mushrikun [polytheists]. But this is always the problem with man-made religion:

“And say: “Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.”” (The Holy Qur’an, Surah Al-Isra (17), Ayah 81, Translation: Abdullah Yusuf Ali)

It has thus far been established that the Ahmadiyya religion believe in the concept of the system of mujaddids and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad declares their light as the light of God. In addition to this, Ahmadiyya as a belief system states that all those who adhere to the credence of the descent of ‘Isa ibn Maryam عليه السلام in the classical sense are polytheists. In keeping this in mind, in conjunction with the above list, observe the following works/quotes of some of these remarkable personalities of Islam whom Ahmadiyya have themselves listed as mujaddids:

2nd Century: Imam Abū ‘Abdullah Muhammad ibn Idris al-Shafi’ī (767/150 – 820/204 CE/AH)

“In the same way that the Prophet ‘Isa عليه السلام ascended to the heavens at Allah’s command, he will also return to Earth at Allah’s command and will enforce Islamic justice. People whose faith is weak may not regard this as possible. But it is an easy matter after recognizing the might of Allah.” (The Great Book of Scholarship of Shafi’i, Halil Günenç, expanded 2nd edition, p. 23)

3rd Century: Abū al-Hasan ‘Alī ibn Ismā’īl al-Ash’arī (874/260 – 936/324 CE/AH)

“There is a consensus among the community of the faithful [ijma’ ummat] that Jesus عليه السلام was raised alive to the heavens.” (Al-Ash’ari, Al-Ash’ari’s al-Ibana ‘an Usul al-Diyana, (Cairo: 1986), 2:115)

4th Century: Abū ‘Abdullah Muhammad ibn ‘Abdullah al-Hakīm al-Nishāburī (933/321 – 1012/403 CE/AH)

[He is the author of the ahadith collection Al-Mustadrak in which he states that] “…Ibn Abbas رضي الله عنه said about the verse of the Holy Qur’an (4:159): “This verse is proof that Jesus عليه السلام, son of Mary, will appear… All of the People of the Book will believe in him before his death.”” (Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak, 2:309)

5th Century: Abū Hāmid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Ghazālī (1058 CE – 1111/505 CE/AH)

“…then the Qur’an would be erased from hearts and not a word of it would be remembered; and the people would return to the poetry, songs, and tales of the pre-Islamic period; then the Anti-Christ would go forth and ‘Isa, the blessings and peace of God upon him, would descend to kill him. The hour when all this occurs would be like the pregnant woman in travail, waiting for the moment of her delivery.” (The Secrets of Pilgrimage, p.17)

“Out of the Prophets, Jesus Christ عليه السلام did not marry but he will marry after his second advent.” (The Revival of the Religious Sciences, Ihya Ulum Uddin, Secret of Marriages, p.21)

6th CenturySayyid ‘Abd al-Qādir al-Jīlānī (1077 – 1166 CE)

“Jesus عليه السلام did not marry; he never took a wife. At the end of time, Allah (Exalted is He) will send him back down to the earth, and He will then marry him to a young woman of Quraish, who will bear him a son.” (Utterances of Shaikh ‘Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani (Malfuzat): Collected Sayings from the Crown of Saints, translated by Muthar Holland, p.62)

7th Century: Taqī ad-Dīn Ahmad Ibn Taymiyyah (1263 – 1328 CE)

“The verse [4:158] “He raised him to His Presence” … explains that Jesus عليه السلام was raised in both body and soul.” (Imam Ibn Taymiyya, Majmu’ Fatawa, trans. by Abdurrahman ibn Muhammad ibn Qasim al-Asimi an-Najdi, 4:323)

8th Century: Ibn Hajar al-Asqalānī (1372/773 – 1448/852 CE/AH)

“The Mahdi is of this Ummah, and that Jesus عليه السلام will come down and pray behind him.” (Fath al-Baari, v.5, p.362)

“…there was no Prophet between Jesus عليه السلام and our Prophet [Muhammad], on whom peace and blessings of Allah and Jesus عليه السلام has no grave.” (Fath al-Baari 2/160, Kitabul Salaah)

9th Century: Jalāluddīn al-Suyūtī (1445/849 – 1505/911 CE/AH)

“As-Suyuti says Jerusalem is specially honored by Moslems… It was at Jerusalem that the prophets sacrificed; that Jesus was born and spoke in the his cradle; and it was from Jerusalem that Jesus ascended to heaven; and it will be there that he will again descend.” (A Moslem Seeker After God, Samuel M. Zwemer, p.115)

In his commentary, al-Suyuti said, based on reliable hadith, that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) did not die, and then continued: “In that case, Jesus عليه السلام was raised to the skies and will return before the Day of Judgment.” (Durr al-Manthur, 2:225-27)

“This word [kahlaan] expresses the fact that he (Jesus عليه السلام) will descend from the heavens before the Day of Judgment, because he was raised to the skies before attaining old age.” (Tafsīr al-Jalālayn; Surah al-Ma’ida (5):110, 1:447)

11th Century: Rabbānī Shaykh Ahmad al-Farūqī al-Sirhindī Mujaddid Alf Thānī (1564 – 1624 CE)

“Jesus عليه السلام will descend from the sky and will be a member of Prophet Muhammad’s (may God bless him and grant him peace) community. In other words, he will be one of his people and will abide by the Divine law.” (Letters of Rabbānī (Istanbul: 1977), 1:436, 545, 722, 820, 846)

12th Century: Shah Walīullah Dehlwī (1703 – 1762 CE)

“None of the People of the Book will remain without believing in him before he dies and Jesus will remain a witness unto them” [exegetical note] “The Jews present at the time of the descent of Jesus Christ will definitely believe in him.” (Fath ur Rahmān Fee Tarjumatul Qur’ān, 4:159)

Each one of these personalities, among them some of the most distinguished exemplars in Islam declared their belief in the ascension or descent of ‘Isa ibn Maryam عليه السلام. It is outside the scope of this article to list their extensive knowledge of the deen. The fact that they are listed as mujaddids should suffice in elucidating their grand status of scholarship in view of the Ahmadiyya. Their statements above however are in clear contradiction to the core foundation of the Ahmadiyya religion as the founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad writes:

“It would, therefore, be a daring invention to say that the bodily ascent of Jesus (as) to heaven and his expected descent has been a matter of consensus.” (Kitab-ul-Bariyyah, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 13, pp. 221 footnote)

“We have established fully that the belief that Jesus had ascended bodily to heaven is not  supported by the Holy Qur’an and true Ahadith. It seems to be based upon senseless and contradictory speculation… If these meaningless speculations were to be presented to the illiterate Bedouins of Arabia, or the inhabitants of the deserts of Africa, or the wild dwellers of the far off islands in the oceans, they might gain some acceptance; but we cannot hope to propagate among educated people such doctrines as are utterly opposed to reason, experience, laws of nature and philosophy.” (Izala-e-Auham, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 3, pp. 235-236)

“…Read the Holy Qur’an carefully and you will find the death of Jesus mentioned so clearly and definitely that it is not possible to interpret it otherwise.” (Izala-e-Auham, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 3, p.224)

“…How misguided, therefore, are those who are waiting to see Jesus descend from heaven in the company of angels.” (Majmu‘ah Ishtiharat, vol. 3, p.327)

“…It is rude to say that Jesus didn’t die, it is indeed shirk al-akbar [major polytheism].” (Roohani Khazain, Volume 22, Haqiqat-Ul-Wahi, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, p.660)

This therefore establishes that in Ahmadiyya the above personalities are mushriks [polytheists] and yet they are declared mujaddids [reformers] hence making them mushrikun mujaddid [polytheist reformers] an oxymoron in as much Ahmadiyya Islam is an oxymoron. They are declared misguided by a man who couldn’t compare to their great status, a man who didn’t even take the time to memorise the Book of Allah (Seeratul Mahdi, Volume 3, Narration #553, p.44) but rather spent a life boasting of his greatness (Kashti-e-Nuh, Ruhani Khaza’in, Vol. 19, p.60).

The belief with regard to Isa ibn Maryam عليه السلام  and his return is firmly established in Islam through the Holy Qur’an and many sayings of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم and his Companions radhiallahu ‘anhum as well the tabi’un (the generation born after the passing of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم but lived as contemporaries of the Companions radhiallahu ‘anhum) and the tabi’ tabi’un (the generation after the tabi’un) in addition to the mujaddids of the past and many great scholars of Islam. There is no such thing as mushrikun mujaddids yet they exist in Ahmadiyya. The fact of the matter is that they do not have any mujaddids because they have to label the same names as mushriks for their beliefs as they oppose the core tenets of Ahmadiyya. The reason this fallacy is apparent is because Ahmadiyya has no connection with the glorious past of the mujaddids of Islam including the aforementioned list and those not mentioned on the list who were sent in the ummah of the beloved master, Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم. Ahmadiyya is a novel religion posing under the guise of Islam in the form of a parasite.

May Allah سبحانه و تعالى‎ protect us and grant us knowledge in His deen and keep us on the right path, the path of the righteous, the path of His beloved Prophet, Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم on whom I would request everyone to recite salutations, may Allah grant him eternal peace and immense blessings.

“Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.” (The Holy Qur’an, Surah al-Ahzab (33); Ayah 56; Translation: Abdullah Yusuf Ali)

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56 thoughts on “The Mushrikun Mujadidds

  1. masha’allah excellent article bro. I doubt if any Qadianis will respond other than pasting fabricated quotes or with their strongest argument of “you lying mullah” 🙂

  2. Brilliant article mashAllah, superb.
    How anyone can still believe Mirza was a mujjadid, never mind a prophet is beyond me.
    Comparing oneself to these exemplary scholars is an act of delusion.

  3. The biggest lie Ahmadiyya is saying whether on TV media in the West or in print media is that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the promised messiah as foretold by Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s.

    The fact of the matter is that this Ahmadiyya lie goes against the true teachings of Islam, which says that it is Jesus Christ pbuh, not Mirza Ghulam who was foretold to come.

    Hence Mirza Ghulam and his Ahmadiyya jamaat are proven liars.

  4. Assalamo Alaikum

    I concur with the basis of the article that the Holy Prophet (saw) has prophecied that there will descend a Mujaddid for each and every century of Islam until the Day of Qiyaamah, and furthermore that the Mujaddid performs necessary reformatory work of the Deen (faith) for the benefit of the Muslim Ummah for that century. Alhamdolillah. This is proof that Our God, the God of Islam, the Holy Prophet (saw) & the Holy Quran are all Living and all other religions are dead.

    Although sorry to say, you should not have written the title like that. It is quite insulting to the Mujaddideen. It is an inference on your part which you have made explicit on your own, because there is no explicit statement like that made by HMGA. Therefore fault is on you not HMGA for the title of your piece. It would be better if you changed it.

    Every Mujaddid that came, performed the reformatory work that was required of him by Allah for that age. So, it was not necessary that these Mujaddideen had to all be correct on this point of death of Isa. Actually in doing this you downplay what great reformatory work they did do in their century.

    I have no problem with Hadhrat Imam Shafi’s explanation if it can be interpreted as the ascent and descent of the soul/spirit of Hadhrat Isa (which is our belief) and not his physical body. Also, I find Hadhrat Imam Al-Ghazali’s description of that future age of descent of Isa as of a “pregnant woman waiting for delivery” to be a wonderful description of the reality given claims of HMGA that as a spiritual Maryam (Mahdi and Mujaddid for 14th century) he gave spiritual birth to Isa Ibn-e-Maryam (Masih) in his own person and thus descent of Isa occurred.

    HGMA’s quotation from Haqiqatul Wahi has been taken out of context. He means to say, given that he has explained to the Muslims of his age in light of Quran and Hadith that Hadhrat Isa (as) died a natural death and that he has claimed this information has been revealed to him by Allah, then it would be shirk to continue to believe like that. Please note that none of the Mujaddideen you quoted above claimed that Allah revealed that knowledge to them.

    The quotation does not apply to these Mujaddideen as you imply. Because you must have also read that HMGA said that he does not find fault with any earlier scholars for believing like that, because the true knowledge was not revealed to them. It was to be revealed at the appropriate time (and not earlier so that there God forbid could be false claimants to being Isa/Masih), and that time according to us turned out to be the 14th century Hijra when the Mahdi and Isa were to descend.

    Please note that there were also a number of scholars who believed that Hadhrat Isa (as) died a natural death. Of course we also believe very firmly that the Sahaba believed this as well, based on events that took place after the death of the Holy Prophet (saw). If Mujaddideen later on said differently, HMGA has already said he does not hold them accountable for that and thinks well of them. Thus they are not mushriks at all by Grace of God.

    Ws,
    Nasir M.

    • You say “…it was not necessary that these Mujaddideen had to all be correct on this point of death of Isa.”

      When it is considered polytheism then I think you’ll find that they all or at least the majority have to be correct on this point. The consensus between them would have been that he died but yet the consensus opposes this view as the correct belief is that he ascended and he himself will descend with the Will of Allah (SWT).

      “I have no problem with Hadhrat Imam Shafi’s explanation if it can be interpreted as the ascent and descent of the soul/spirit of Hadhrat Isa (which is our belief) and not his physical body.”

      The soul/spirit of Hazrat Isa (AS) descended in to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? I think you’re confusing Hinduism with Islam but then again I believe the Ahmadiyya religion has adopted beliefs of Hinduism in to its religion but again that has nothing to do with Islam. Imam ash-Shafi (RA) clearly states, ” …he will also return to Earth”. Who is he? What does return mean? If he is coming to Earth then where is he coming from? Imam ash-Shafi (RA) refers to one individual who ascended to Heaven at Allah’s command and refers to the descent as occurring in the “same way”. To blot out your metaphorical nonsense he says those who have weak faith may not regard it as possible. This is exactly what the Ahmadiyya say, it is not possible. Your twists are insulting to the great imam and I would advise you not to make interpretations based on your whims to satisfy your desires, it is a dangerous path.

      “I find Hadhrat Imam Al-Ghazali’s description of that future age of descent of Isa as of a “pregnant woman waiting for delivery” to be a wonderful description of the reality given claims of HMGA”

      Are you serious? Why don’t you pick up a copy of Ihya Ulum Uddin first before trying to twist this great masters words? He says, “…Out of the Prophets, Jesus Christ عليه السلام did not marry but he will marry after his second advent.” I think you have difficulty comprehending that he is referring to a Prophet of the past, saying he did not marry and then he refers to this very same Prophet in the future tense and says he will marry after his second advent. He at no point refers to two different individuals. It is again insulting that you are attempting miserably to twist his words. It’s quite an appalling attempt too.

      “…he (MGA) has claimed this information has been revealed to him by Allah, then it would be shirk to continue to believe like that. Please note that none of the Mujaddideen you quoted above claimed that Allah revealed that knowledge to them.”

      This quote demonstrates how confused you actually are about this matter. You, as per MGA claim, “…Read the Holy Qur’an carefully and you will find the death of Jesus mentioned so clearly and definitely that it is not possible to interpret it otherwise.” (Izala-e-Auham, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 3, p.224) And yet you believe that Allah (SWT) has to re-reveal this to everyone? If it’s so clear in the Holy Qur’an that it’s impossible to miss it, then how can you simultaneously hold that all these great mujaddid knew nothing of it? You claim “…none of the Mujaddideen… claimed that Allah revealed that knowledge to them” and “…he (MGA) does not find fault with any earlier scholars for believing like that, because the true knowledge was not revealed to them.” And yet it was revealed so clearly in the Holy Qur’an to mankind? This is the problem with man-made religion. You hold two contradictory positions (one that it was okay if they believed it as it wasn’t revealed to them and two that it’s so plainly revealed in the Holy Qur’an) which are not compatible with each other and yet you attempt to use both of them to try and justify blatant mistakes by your Indian Messiah.

      The fact of the matter is that Ahmadiyya as per MGA hold anyone who holds or has held this belief to have indulged in shirk and yet these great mujaddid held these exact same beliefs. Ahmadiyya have nothing to do with these mujaddid. In line with your beliefs they hold incorrect beliefs which equal polytheism while in Islam, their beliefs are sound.

      The typical Ahmadiyya claim that it was not revealed to MGA until 1891 (that Hazrat Isa (AS) had died as MGA himself held this belief of shirk prior to that) therefore anyone who believes he didn’t die after this alleged revelation is committing shirk is beyond pathetic. Why? Because in that very statement, you have just made the Holy Qur’an redundant. Your belief is that it is supposedly so clearly revealed in the Book and yet you hold that if you believe the opposite to what is so clearly revealed in the Book then there is nothing wrong with holding that belief prior to 1891 as Allah had not revealed it yet to the Indian Messiah? It then becomes even more ridiculous when a so called prophet has to have it re-revealed to him and yet you claim it is plainly in the Scripture to the extent that is is impossible to interpret otherwise? It really is no wonder the Ulema have no time to refute the novelty of this cult because it is just that plainly obvious how misguided these belief are…

      • It should be re-iterated that you have implied that we think ill of Mujaddideen God forbid, which is not the case at all, nor have we ever said it.

        The general principle regarding this issue is laid out in Quran in the following words:

        “O my father! there has indeed come to me knowledge such as has not come to thee; so follow me, I will guide thee to a straight path” (19:44)

        “And when their Messengers came to them with manifest Signs, they exulted in the knowledge they had.” (40:84)

        “We have left out nothing in the Book.” (7:39)

        Thus spiritual knowledge is continuously being discovered, despite all of it being contained in the Quran. People should not pride themselves on following their forefathers if certain knowledge was not accessible to them (i.e. their forefathers were honestly mistaken about something) but which has now been made available to the current generation.

        It is like trying to find Waldo. It may be very difficult to find him, but once someone points him out to you, then it is so easy to find him, right? But he was there the whole time.

        You must know that this latter age descent of Isa was a prophecy, not a Sharia related matter. So these innocent Mujaddideen (those who believed him to be bodily alive) applied their minds to assess the nature of the prophecy and how it will get fulfilled. None of them claimed the knowledge was given to them by God. So, in this case, they can be mistaken if actual events turn out different than they expected. God is All-Knowing and Master of His Will. He does whatsoever He pleases to do and He tries us by doing things in ways that we may not have expected, to see if we have faith in our limited knowledge or in His Supreme Powers.

        As you note, even HMGA was of the belief that Isa was still alive up until around 1891 and this is a proof that he could not have made up such a belief that Isa died a natural death. He claimed it was knowledge granted to him by Allah and then explained it in light of Quran & Hadith, so the Muslims at that time should not have prided themselves on the knowledge they had inherited from their forefathers and instead, should have acknowledged that certain information and explanations and logic and arguments have been made available to them which was not available to their forefathers. So they should have paid attention to it and be sincere about it. most did not unfortunately. May Allah forgive.

        Thus if people exult themselves in their knowledge and continue to follow their forefathers, who do not have access to the insight and knowledge that they have now, then they would be guilty of shirk in this respect of death of Isa, especially since arguments have been made from Quran and Hadith which were not made in the past. People of the past cannot be held accountable for their opinions on non-Sharia related matters when certain insights and reasonings and knowledge were not made available/accessible to them according to Divine Design.

        Wassalaam,
        Nasir M.

        • I didn’t say or imply that you think ill of any mujaddid. I said according to your beliefs, the mujaddid of the past held beliefs you equate with shirk. From your comments above, you agree with me that they held these beliefs but you try and justify it by saying they knew not of this “hidden” knowledge that Hazrat Isa (AS) supposedly died.

          I think you’ll find that the Holy Qur’an is a Scripture for all mankind, not just for particular ages. This matter is one of aqeeda which is foundational not law as you’re claiming. An incorrect aqeeda can be the ultimate difference in the afterlife and Allah (SWT) knows best.

          You claim that this knowledge was not given to them but you keep overlooking that it is supposedly mentioned so clearly in the Holy Qur’an? Which one is it? It was “hidden” or it is “so clearly and definitely (in the Holy Qur’an) that it is not possible to interpret it otherwise”?

          The more you write, the more confused you sound. You’re now taking a stance of some hidden knowledge which was only available to MGA in 1891 and yet at the same time you claim “…there were also a number of scholars who believed that Hadhrat Isa (as) died a natural death.” I’m sorry but you’re all over the place as you go from claiming this knowledge “…has now been made available to the current generation” through Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and yet you hold so many scholars held this view. This is the problem with your religion. Islam is very simple, Ahmadiyya is not.

          I guess this knowledge was hidden from the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) too when he said, “Jesus did not die, and he will return to you before the Day of Resurrection” (Suyuti, Darul Manthur) right? How about when he said, “Do you not know that Our Lord (Allah) is ever living but death will come to Jesus?” (Tafsir Al-Tabari 6/154 Narration. 6544, Ibn Abi Hatim 9/408) How about when on the Miraj, the Hour was discussed and Isa ibn Maryam (AS) said, “…(Allah) promised me before Qayamah… I will descend and will kill him (Dajjal).” (Sunan Ibn Majah, Kitabul Fitan Hadith 4079) He was lied to about this was he?

          It must have been hidden from the mother of the believers too, when Safiyya Bint Huyayy (RA) climbed Mount Olives and said, “…this is the mountain from where Jesus (AS) was raised up to the heavens.” (Al-Tasrih bima Tawatar fi Nuzul Al-Masih Hadith 74 cf. Tafsir Fath Al-Aziz Surah 95)

          The same must go for Abu Hurayrah (RA) and Abdullah Ibn Abbas (RA) too right? Even their students too right? Mujahid B. Jabr Al-Makki (RA) who studied under Ameer ul-Momineen, Ali ibn Abu Talib (RA) and after his martrydom under Abdullah Ibn Abbas (RA) with whom he went over the meaning of the Holy Qur’an thirty-three times, states, “They crucified a man whom they saw as [shabbaha] Jesus, and God raised Jesus to Himself, living”. (Mujahid b. Jabr, Tafsir Mujahid, ed, ‘Abd al-Rahman al-Tahir b. Muhammad al-Surti (Qatar: Matabi’ al-Duha al-Haditha, 1395/1976), p.180

          And Hasan al-Basri (RA) who grew up in the house of Umm Salama (RA) the wife of the Prophet (SAW) and the mother of the believers. He met many companions, including thirty from the battle of Badr. He states, “I swear to God that Jesus (AS) is at this moment alive in God’s presence, and that everyone will believe in him when he returns.” With regard to the Holy Qur’an 4:159, he said, “God raised Jesus (AS) to His presence. He will send him before the Day of Judgment as a holder of rank. Good and bad, all will believe in him.” (Al-Suyuti, Durr al-Manthur, 2:284)

          They all had no clue about this right? I can go on, but your belief is these people couldn’t comprehend the Holy Qur’an? It was hidden from them even though everyone supposedly believed he died? You make no sense. Allah (SWT) completed the deen through his beloved Messenger, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW). If it wasn’t made clear then are you implying the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) failed his mission? You can’t cling on to this claim that we have limited knowledge in matters of aqeeda when the foundational purpose of the Holy Qur’an is to guide mankind. It is not a redundant Book which hides matters of aqeeda allowing people to commit shirk and saving supposed clear guidance for revelation 1300 years later for an Indian Messiah who indulged in the same shirk beliefs. Do you understand how absurd that theory sounds?

          • Everytime MGA writes inappropriatley….these Ahmadis find other writings of his and try to bundle them all up and then re-explain.

            In this case…in 1907, in HW, MGAQ was upset…sometimes he would get in his mad-mooods and say things that he would regret later on…

            The reference in the above is another example of that…is there anyway that we can get the full page of HW?

    • @Nasir,

      First you say that you agree, then disagree, next bring the topic of Hazrat Isa a.s. and try to prove from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s teachings that he died and he is not coming back. I find that your arguments are confusing to say the least and mixing truth with falsehood which is typical Ahmadi way of presenting arguments. When you say that Hazrat Isa a.s. is dead and not coming back them how did he come back in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahamad? Is this not a blatant lie?

      • I am not confused about the matter. I think it seems like you want to portray me as being confused so that people do not try to understand what I am saying.

        I would like to re-iterate my previous post about knowledge and how it is revealed over time, despite everything already being contained in the Quran. And how we should not blindly follow our forefathers when knowledge not available to them has become available to us. Otherwise if we do that, Allah says in Quran that then we are no better than cattle.

        There are also Hadith in which the Holy Prophet (saw) has made it clear that Isa (as) died a natural death. We fully believe and provide rational arguments that the Sahaba also believed in death of Isa based on events which happened soon after death of the Holy Prophet (saw). There are sayings handed down to us by Hadhrat Ibn-e-Abbas (ra), Hadhrat Imam Malik (ra), Hadhrat Imam Hassan (ra), Ibn-e-Qayyim and others scholars who were of the opinion that Hadhrat Isa (as) died a natural death.

        I don’t want this to be a war of quotations or an argument about reliability of references, because that gets us nowhere. The reality is, you make it seem as though there was consensus on this issue, and that we are promoting a completely new and foreign idea in the Ummah, which is not correct at all. There was disagreement / difference of opinion in later ages regarding how this prophecy of latter age descent of Isa would actually manifest.

        The Mujaddideen whom you have quoted provided their opinion on this prophecy about latter age descent of Isa (as) based on their understanding that the latter age descent of Isa (as) would be physical, not spiritual/metaphorical (which is what we believe based on what happened in the 14th century Hijri). Thus they concluded that way and provided arguments to support this by saying Isa did not die, etc. It is not against reason to say that they could be mistaken about it. They did not claim it was knowledge granted to them by God. They are innocent because such knowledge was not granted to them by God so they did not commit shirk according to us.

        If they all knew and proclaimed that Isa died a natural death and that a Muslim would end up proclaiming that he is Isa and that is the meaning of the descent of Isa, then how many false claimants do you think would appear? Thus Allah saved the Ummah from such a horrible situation and protected this claim so that the only claimant is the truthful claimant. This is because that special claimant would herald the triumph of Islam over all other religions in the later ages.

        So, given that the knowledge has been made available very clearly in light of Quran and Hadith about the certain death of Isa, then we will be held accountable for it because this knowledge was not made available to our forefathers in such clear terms. If a Muslim continues to believe that Isa is alive despite this reasoning from Quran and Hadith and insists to believe what their forefathers believed, then they are comitting shirk in this respect and this is the meaning of the quote of HMGA.

        • Again you say you’re not confused but on the one hand you’re claiming “the Holy Prophet (saw) has made it clear that Isa (as) died a natural death” and on the other hand you’re claiming it was Mirza who made this clear and prior to this people were lost hence your justification for these mujaddids supposedly erring in their beliefs because you allege this knowledge was not clearly available to them even though it was allegedly clearly available in the Holy Qur’an. You are holding two contradictory positions.

          Please tell me:

          1) Do you agree with your prophet when he says it is so clear in the Holy Qur’an that Isa (AS) died that it is not possible to interpret it any other way?

          2) Do you agree with your prophet that one who holds this belief is committing shirk?

          3) Do you agree that these mujaddid held the belief that Isa (AS) literally ascended and/or will literally descend?

          4) Who made this belief clear to mankind? Allah (SWT)? The Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW)? Mirza? And from your answer at what point/year was this knowledge first made clear and revealed to mankind?

          • @ Tahir H

            Answer to your questions are as follows

            1) After having read the arguments he put forward regarding death of Isa (as), which are based on Quran and Hadith, yes, there is now no other way to interpret. It becomes pretty clear that Isa (as) died a natural death like all other human beings and all other prophets/messengers.

            2) If a person reads those arguments presented by HMGA and ponders over them with sincerity and fearing God Almighty, but decides to reject it and exult in the knowledge that was given to him by his forefathers (i.e. a number of previous scholars in the Ummah) who did not have availability to such arguments and who never claimed that God gave them the knowledge of how this descent of Isa would take place, then yes they would be committing shirk.

            3) The Mujaddideen you have quoted were of the opinion that the prophecy of the latter day descent of Isa would be fulfilled physically, not spiritually or metaphorically; therefore, they explained this by saying that Isa is still alive, etc. It turns out they were mistaken in their opinion, according to us.

            I don’t think any of them pronounced kufr on those who disagreed with them. Only in more recent times (around 14th century Hijri) the scholars in the Ummah started doing that because they refused to believe that the prophecy of descent of Isa could happen any other way except physically.

            4) Our belief, based on some historical evidence and some references, that the Holy Prophet (saw) and his Sahaba (ra) and the early Muslims were of unanimous belief that Isa (as) had died like all other Messengers and Prophets and that there was no question they thought Isa was still alive. Otherwise they would have never agreed that Holy prophet (saw) actually died.

            In later centuries, as people started to write about and anxiously await the prophecy about descent of Isa (since that would herald the time of victory for Islam which every believer desires in his heart of hearts) then they started stating their opinions. Some people believed Isa was alive and did not die, others believed he died a natural death. In our view, this difference in opinion was resolved in 14th century hijra by descent of the Mujaddid of that age who claimed that God gave him the knowledge that Isa (as) died a natural death and that the proof is in the Quran, and that he has been raised as a resemblance to Isa and a Masih for the Holy Prophet (saw) from his (saw) own Ummah.

            Ws,
            Nasir M.

          • Typo in #4 where I said “and that there was no question they thought Isa was still alive”

            I meant to say “and that there was no way they though Isa was still alive.”

            Thanks

          • 1) You are avoiding the question I asked you. My question is simple: Do you agree with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad when he says it is so clear in the Holy Qur’an that it is not possible to interpret it any other way? I didn’t ask you how you came to the conclusion or how you believed this to be the case. I am referring to the common man as is your prophet when he made this statement thus I am asking you to verify it.

            He is not arguing about ahadith. He is not putting forward any arguments. He is making one simple suggestion to every single person, read the Holy Qur’an. I honestly assumed this one passage was enough for anyone to realise that this man is saying that it has been in the Holy Qur’an from day one and it is impossible to see it any other way i.e. it is so plainly obvious. For example he says:

            “I put only one question to the clerics who differ with me on the question of the death of Jesus. Had they pondered over it sincerely, it would have been enough to guide them aright, but they did not ponder over it, as none was desirous of being rightly guided.” [Itmam-ul-Hujjah, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 8, p. 293]

            This has nothing to do with divine guidance in realising this matter whatsoever! You have invented this but your argument does not hold weight. If it did, as God is my witness I would admit you have a case. It is a simple matter, the aqeeda is in the Holy Qu’ran that is the point your prophet is making and one you are not acknowledging. I will put it to you like this, if a man on an island who has better Arabic than Mirza came across the Holy Qur’an and opened it up, is it clear enough for him to determine the correct belief according to Ahmadiyya i.e. that Jesus (AS) has died or does he need Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to do this for him? To try and help you understand this, take heed that it is the belief of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad that “The Holy Qur’an clearly states that there never was a Prophet who did not pass away.” [Izala-e-Auham, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 3, p. 277]

            This ultimately is what you keep ignoring. This has nothing to do with Mirza, Allah (SWT) has already made it so clear in the Holy Qur’an that there is no other way of looking at it. This is the nail your prophet keeps hammering in his books but it is one you seem not to agree with as you are claiming his whole body of arguments leads to this conclusion while he is saying one verse of many verses is enough. I am asking if you agree with him but you keep trying to twist this by saying only after reading the work of Mirza it can’t be interpreted any other way while your prophet is saying the opposite! Then you wonder why I conclude that you are confused.

            2) Again my question was simple. But you felt the need to expand on it. My point above explains what you’re doing here. And to make my point much shorter I will once again quote your prophet who says “The Holy Qur’an clearly states that there never was a Prophet who did not pass away” [Izala-e-Auham, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 3, p. 277] and on the other hand you’re arguing that scholars “did not have availability to such arguments”. So was this verse missing during their time? I mean ultimately you agree that holding this belief is shirk but you try and qualify it by saying only after reading the arguments of Mirza which makes absolutely no sense.

            The Holy Qur’an is clear that alcohol is forbidden right? In the same way it is clear that Jesus (AS) died? If I decide to drink alcohol until I read some other arguments from a scholar then explain to me the purpose of the Holy Qur’an? It is made to be a redundant (nazu’billah) Book in this context. It is clear about something yet guidance is required from elsewhere? Your justification makes no sense what so ever. I don’t understand why you’re failing to grasp that your community and your prophet are constantly arguing that the belief is contained within the Holy Qu’ran, full stop.

            I mean do you not read the works of your prophet, he says “The Holy Qur’an clearly says that Jesus died in the period when he was raised to reform the tribes of Israel which had gone astray” [Izala-e-Auham, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 3, p. 330]. How many times has he used the word “clearly” in reference to his alleged death? You need to understand that he is claiming this isn’t a mystery, it’s written plainly in the Holy Qur’an that he supposedly died. Keep in mind that he is making this point solely in reference to the Holy Qur’an, never mind the weak/fabricated/misinterpreted ahadith he presents to claim that this is a fact. Did those ahadith vanish in the time of Jalaluddin Suyuti (RA) who had memorised over 200,000 (Tafsir al-Jalalayn, Translators Introduction, page xxi) ahadith? The bottom line is as I stated, your prophet says over and over that it is clear in the Holy Qur’an and yet you’re arguing scholars (who had a better grasp of Arabic than he did) didn’t have this knowledge available to them. I mean that’s absurd in view of your foundational beliefs or at least those of your prophet. I ask you sincerely to stop making blind defenses, the truth is more important.

            3) Thank you for answering this with sincerity. I will disregard your second paragraph but if you insist on making such points as “I don’t think any of them pronounced kufr on those who disagreed with them” then please provide evidence. I am not interested in the kufr part, but show me dialogue where they had such discussions with “those who disagreed with them”. If you study any work of the imams, disagreements are always mentioned at some point in some work they have produced but you seem to have pulled this scenario from the air. As an example, there was disagreement on the status of Muhyuddin Ibn al-Arabi (RA) and thus Imam Suyuti (RA) wrote “Warning to the Dolt That Faults Ibn `Arabi” stating he is a Friend of God whose writings are forbidden to those who read them without first learning the technical terms used by the Sufis. This is evidence of disagreement, yours is pure fantasy.

            4) Again, this question was simple. Did Allah (SWT) reveal this in the Holy Qur’an? What my point here is that you seem insistent on claiming that this knowledge became apparent only in the 14th century and hence it only became a correct belief at this point thus those who held the opposite belief could do no wrong. I am simply asking you when was it first revealed to mankind that Jesus (AS) had died? I do not require a running commentary on what you think happened, though I appreciate you are trying to clarify your view. I am saying I already know your view, but let’s go with the facts, as thought of as facts by the Ahmadiyya. Hence when was it first revealed to mankind that Jesus (AS) died?

            If for example people begin believing based on interpretation (for whatever reason, this is for the sake of analogy and clarity) that there are two Gods and Allah (SWT) is one of them, this sin is not suspended until someone comes and clarifies it to them? Why? Because guidance has already been sent down. This ultimately is what you are ignoring.

          • Okay, I guess I did not read some of your questions clearly enough. I apologize. Permit me to try again. I hope I can resolve the contradiction you believe I am holding.

            1) Yes I agree with his quotation.

            I was only adding to his quotation to say that, anyone who reads the arguments he has made based on Quran and Hadith and reason and logic and ponders over it with sincerity will inshallah come to the conclusion that Isa died a natural death and that his re-advent has taken place metaphorically and not literally, i.e. a Muslim would be granted spiritual resemblance with Isa.

            Of course those Imams of the past cannot assess his arguments and reasoning. But you all can.

            2) Yes, a person who holds that belief is committing shirk because Allah says in the Holy Quran:

            “And those on whom they call beside Allah create not anything, but they are themselves created. They are dead, not living; and they know not when they will be raised.” (16:21-22)

            So since Jesus is being worshipped by Christians, to keep him alive is to commit shirk.

            3) Yes, it appears that way based on those whom you have quoted above

            Please note that there is no need to mention the life or death of Isa unless there is at the same time a discussion about his re-advent in the later days. Otherwise, if there was no prophecy in Hadith about Isa’s re-advent, then there would have been no question that he died, right? I think this is a point worth pondering.

            That is why in light of all of this, I am trying to think well of these Imams to say that they simply misinterpreted the prophecy about his re-advent, that they had no intention of believing that Isa was alive except that they thought he was going to descend physically.

            The difference between them and the current Muslims is that in the current times, a man has come forward and claimed that he is that Isa who was to descend in the latter days, in a metaphorical sense, and that God has granted him special knowledge in support of his claim that Isa has died a natural death, which some scholars/Imams of the past also did believe. The rest were mistaken.

            So, instead of assessing HMGA’s claim in light of the proof he provided, you start quoting scholars of the past who were stating their own opinions and could have been mistaken about how the prophecy of the descent of Isa would take place.

            4) We believe that death of Isa is clearly mentioned in the Holy Quran without doubt. We believe the Holy Prophet (saw), the Sahaba (ra), and early Muslims also believed that Isa died a natural death and have proof of the same. Then later on difference of opinion occurred on this issue, and in our opinion this difference has been resolved by Mujaddid of 14th century who claimed to be Isa by way of resemblance.

            Take care, and may God be with you.

            Ws,
            Nasir M.

          • Again, you’re overlooking my very straightforward point. I’ll try and keep it simple for you:

            “…We believe that death of Isa is clearly mentioned in the Holy Quran without doubt.”

            Hence answer this very simple question without waffle. Can an imam ascertain this belief from the Holy Qur’an without Mirza Ghulam Ahmad?

          • @ nasir

            Nice try….

            Remember….every Mujadid/Muhadath believed that Esa (as) would physically re-appear.

            And…MGA was Esa (as) circa 1884, however, he misunderstood his claim for 7 years…then, MGA admits that he was a prophet since 1880, however, he misinterpretted this for 21 years…

            So..in review, how can we believe anything froma guy who cant figure out who is himself is…

        • I don’t know if anyone here can understand what you are saying. I for sure cannot. You still did not answer my question. You say Hazrat Isa a.s. is dead and not coming back, then how did he come back in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad?

          Note: by the way Mirza Sahib just like Muslims for most part of his life believed that Hazrat Isa a.s was taken body & soul to heaven and is coming back. So to say that this belief according to you is shirk. Then Mirza Sahib committed shirk most of his life. Is this not true?

          • We believe that the prophecy about descent of Isa manifested in a spiritual and metaphorical way, not in a physical and literally way like a number of scholars had originally thought. That is, the descent of Isa meant that a Muslim, not the same Isa from Bani Israeel, was to descend having spiritual resemblance with Isa. He would bring spiritual treasures (not physical treasures) and would herald the victory of Islam in the later ages.

            Regarding this question that “if someone in the past believed that Isa was alive, then according to Ahmadis did that person commit shirk?” the short answer is no.

            The reason is because those people who believed that had simply misinterpreted the prophecy about descent of Isa (thinking that it would manifest physically) so then they applied their minds and put forward apparent evidence that Isa was still alive. But that also turned out to be faulty reasoning. Misinterpretation of a prophecy is not shirk.

            Only in recent times, after HMGA made his claims, have the scholars united against him and said that the Ummah is united on this point that Isa is alive, and if you don’t believe that then you are kafirs. Whereas the only consensus in the Ummah was in early Islam when they believed Isa was dead like all other human beings and all other messengers and prophets. Only later was there a difference in opinion and that is not shirk.

            The fact that HMGA until around 1891 thought like most other Muslims that Isa was alive and still in heavens and would descend physically is a proof that he could not have made up his later belief and also all the arguments he put forward from Quran and Hadith cannot all be fabricated. What is shirk is to continue to believe that Isa is alive in heavens despite the arguments that have been put forth from Quran and Hadith.

            Ws,
            Nasir M

          • @ Nasir

            Your precious Mirza sahib was soooo confused….in 1884, some people accuse him of claiming to be Esa (as). Mirza quickly responded in BA vol. 4 that he was NOT claiming to be the Promised messiah, instead he claimed to be the LIKE of the messiah only aka Maseel e Masih.

            Is this the guy that you trust?

  5. Another big lie Ahmadiyya is propagating in Europe and North America is that Mirza Masroor is Khalifa of Muslims. They have no shame in propagating such lies? He can be the khalifa of his own cult if that’s what they want. Leave Islam and Muslims alone. You have no real sympathy for anyone, all your “love for all hate for none” slogans are empty rhetoric anyways.

      • In the sense the mujaddids have nothing to do with Ahmadiyya, neither does the term khalifa of the Muslims or khalifa of Islam. The mujaddids are not the only element of Islam that Ahmadiyya try to adopt in to their religion. Though I agree it is not directly related to the topic, it has relevance in demonstrating how Ahmadiyya try and take what is not theirs.

        • I told you that we believe that God will continue to send a Mujaddid for each century for the rejuvination of the faith.

          Mirza Masroor Ahmad Sb of course is not the Khalifa of the Muslims. If the Muslims accept him as their Ameer-ul-Mumineen then he can be that for them.

          This type of criticism is kind of childish, in my opinion.

          • This is not a Muslim claim it is claim of Ahmadis and you see it in the media. Blame them for being childish not us.

          • Yes I already know what they are doing in that respect is childish. We have to earn the respect of our Muslim brothers, not pretend that that is the case.

          • @ Nasir

            You wrote:

            “I told you that we believe that God will continue to send a Mujaddid for each century for the rejuvination of the faith.”

            You dont believe this. Are you a rookie? How can a Mujadid come while a Khalifa is here.

            ^ Don’t you know this about Ahmadiyyat?

        • True!
          I wanted to convey as an examples that look how this Ahmadiyya jamaat is trying to hijack Islam by using such tactics, whether it be mujaddid or khalifa of Islam. The fact of the matter is that Ahmadiyya is a deception that has nothing to do with Islam. It is a cult and family run business of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian.

  6. great article, every passage counts but you could include a more succinct abstract sort of thing for the lazier ahmadis because this is a very straight forward argument.

    plus, i remember hearing in a juma khutba last year that imam ibn hajar said that believing that esa alayhi salam ascended bodily and will descend is a matter of ijma’ and that anybody who disbelieves in this is therefore a kafir. but unfortunately, the khateeb did not refer to any book or anything. if anybody recalls its source, i think it could be added to this article.

    jazak allah khair tahir

    • Jazak’Allah brother, I will take that on board for the future. I understand what you mean and that could be beneficial for a lot of readers.

      If you find the source for the quote or can possibly tell me who gave the khutba, so we can get a reference and look it up, I will most definitely add it to this article. Thanks for the information. Waasalaam.

  7. @Nasir M. on December 16, 2012 at 6:06 pm
    Why going off topic yourself ? After getting a detailed reply to your post by Tahir Hussain on December 16, 2012 at 7:38 pm. You should at least spend some energy reflecting where you stand and who you are trying to defend.

    Your jamat always ask bring proof for this or that, can you kindly provide proof, that in which hadith Prophet Mohd (PBUH) mentioned that the mujaddid will declare or claim himself being a mujaddid ?

    The only one in history of Islam that I know off is only Mirza Sahib who started his carrier path to be a prophet from this first step of declaring himself being mujaddid and ending up claiming to be a prophet.

    The only hadidths I can find in Sahih is that their will be 30 imposters and all of them will claim to be prophets.

    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until there would arise about thirty impostors, liars, and each one of them would claim that he is a messenger of Allah. (Sahih Muslim)

    Now if you have a thinking mind, can you please tell me Mirzha Sahib fullfils which hadidth ?

    • The subject of Mujaddideen and the signs they show and how to recognize them is a vast one.

      The Holy Prophet (saw) is reported to have said as recorded in Musnad Ahmad / Tirmidhi:

      “He who dies without [recognizing / following] the Imam dies the death of ignorance”

      So there is an Imam / Mujaddid for each century and it is a part of a person’s faith to recognize him and follow him so that his faith is reformed and perfected and he is able to enter Jannah.

      The Hadith about 30 liars, I have addressed it elsewhere on this forum. Essence is this, that maybe we can name about 30 or so false people who claimed prophethood, but HMGA’s claim is unique from all of the others, so he cannot be considered in this group. His claim is that the Holy Prophet (saw) has called him Nabi in the sense that he is the Isa that was to descend in the latter age of Islam so as to establish the victory of Islam over all other faiths. Isa is a Nabi, the Holy Prophet (saw) predicted that Isa will appear in his Ummah, so he (saw) predicted a Nabi to appear in his Ummah. We believe that Nabi to be HMGA, who is from among the Muslims, and who is the lone claimant of being the spiritual second advent of Isa (who is a Nabi).

      Probably all of the ~30 imposter Nabis believed that Isa was still alive so that serves as proof that they were liars. The reality and clarity of the death of Isa was disclosed to HMGA at the appropriate time so that he can be proven as the truthful one out of all others.

      Wassalaam,
      Nasir M.

      • And yet you hold that the previous mujaddid held beliefs comprising shirk regardless of your excuse that they’re not to be blamed! Your statement that his claim is unique is nonsense as the claim of the Bahai is unique too as is the claim of Elijah Muhammad. I don’t even know where you have set this standard up from i.e. if a claim is unique it means it is true. I can’t believe you’re serious about that.

        And this is exactly why Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani (RA) has written in Fath-ul Bari Sharh Saheeh Bukhari (Vol. VI, p455): “It is not the meaning of this tradition to count every person who claimed to be prophet after Muhammad (SAW); because there were so many of them that they cannot be counted; as mostly such claimants suffer from insanity… But this tradition means only those who get some strength i.e., whose religion becomes accepted and who gets sufficient followers”. Hence Mirza is most definitely included in this tradition.

        • Misinterpretation of a prophecy is not shirk.

          Shirk is continuing to believe that a man is still alive in heavens despite evidence presented from Quran and Hadith, evidence which was generally not available to previous generations to benefit from.

          I did not say that a unique claim must be a truthful claim. I said that compared to all claimants of Nabuwwat, the only one who claimed to be that particular Nabi (i.e. Isa) who was prophecied by the Holy Prophet (saw) to descend in latter ages, was HMGA and therefore his claim was the truthful claim because the truthful Holy Prophet (saw) foretold his advent. Has Bahai or anyone else said they are Masih, they are Isa?

          That is why HMGA is truthful, unless Isa does descend physically from heavens. In that case, you have a precedent before you. The Jews have been waiting 2,000 years for Elijah to descend. I don’t think you want to follow them and do the same to test the truthfulness of HMGA.

          Wassalaam

      • Mr Nasir, i pray that Allah removes you from the clutches of this rich punjabi friendship alliance family and opens your heart to Islam. It really saddens me that a person can spend so much time replying with such poor arguments and then swiftly move onto another argument when one has nothing more to say. All for nothing…subhaAllah may Allah protect us. I cant question your sincerity but I hope Allah softens your heart. It reminds me of the companions who would be seen crying when they saw the christian monks as their works will be all for ‘nothing’. SubhanAllah, we dont know how blessed we are.

        • I appreciate that you want to pray for me but are you telling me that my belief in all pillars of Islam and all articles of faith and my prayer and fasting and recitation and study of Quran and having facial hair and sending durood on the Holy Prophet (saw) and eating with my right hand and thinking well of all Muslims and taking a bath every Friday and desiring victory of Islam over all other faiths in my heart of hearts somehow makes me a foreigner to Islam, only because I also believe that the Imam Mahdi has come and that Isa Ibn-e-Maryam has descended in 14th century Hijri according to all the prophecies in Quran and Hadith?

          • @ Nasir M. on December 17, 2012 at 6:48 pm

            I asked you for a very simple proof. Show me a hadith in which Prophet (PBUH) mentioned that the mujaddid will claim to the people that he is the mujaddid. Or the Isa Ibn Mariam, will claim that I am the one who was prophesied.

            You have completely alluded what I asked. By saying it’s a vast subject of the sign they show and how to recognise them. I did not ask you how to recognise them, I asked you show me from the history of Islam, that any mujaddid claimed himself to be one, beside Mirza Shahib.

            Your saying quote “… His claim is that the Holy Prophet (saw) has called him Nabi in the sense that he is the Isa that was to descend in the latter age of Islam so as to establish the victory of Islam over all other faiths …”

            I have two queiries on what you have said.

            Query 1:
            Can you provide me the proof from Prophet (PBUH) saying that Mirza Gulam Ahmed son of Chirag bibi will be the Isa Ibn Mariam. Cause it would be wrong of Prophet (PBUH) not to mention the person name who is going to be like Isa and not the real Isa so that there would be no confusion for Ummah. Until or unless Prophet (PBUH) meant only one thing and that is, indeed the real Isa Ibn Mariam will descend.

            Mind you Prophet (PBUH) said about Isa Ibn Mariam returning by swearing oath on ALLAH. And it’s a verdict of Mirza Sahib himself that anything which is said by oath is to be taken literally and there is no need for interpretation, otherwise what is the need for the oath. For this go check Roohani Khazain Vol 7 PDF Page 224, Book Page 192 Hamat-ul-Bushra.

            Link : http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/volume/Ruhani_Khazain_Computerised/?l=Urdu&p=7#page/192/mode/1up

            So there is now two possibilities, either Mirza Sahib said a lie when he made that statement or he contradicted himself by making interpretation.

            If he lied then according to his own statement.

            “When someone is proven a liar in one thing, then he is no longer reliable in other matters.” (Roohani Khazain vol. 23 PDF Page 244, Book Page 231 Chashma-e-Ma’arifat)
            Link : http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/volume/Ruhani_Khazain_Computerised/?p=23&l=Urdu#page/231/mode/1up

            Or if he contradicted, then according to his own statement.

            “Writings of a truthful and clear-conscience person never contains any contradictions. Yes if someone is lunatic and insane or such a hypocrite who is a yes man for flattering someone, his writings will, of course, be contradictory.” (Roohani Khazain vol 10 PDF Page 176, Book Page 142 Sat Bachan)
            Link : http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/volume/Ruhani_Khazain_Computerised/?p=10&l=Urdu#page/142/mode/1up

            Now if you are really a honest and ALLAH fearing person, you should take heed, and think who you are trying to defend ? and on what cost ?

            Query 2:
            In Prophet (PBUH) saying it’s mention quite clearly that after the advent of Mahdi and Isa Ibn Mariam, the earth will be filled with justice as it was filled with injustice. Wars will stop and earth will bring forth all it’s goodness. And all of this will happen in the life time of Isa Ibn Mariam.

            Now can you honestly tell me any such good tiding came to pass ? In fact world war 1 and 2 started right after Mirza Sahib passing, injustice in the world has increased, drought have increased and the list goes on.

            So if you are true follower of Prophet Mohd (PBUH) and based on his sayings you accepted Mirza, then please pay attention to the other parts of saying as well and see if they are fulfilled or not as well.

          • Okay, it seems like there are a lot of issues here, but I will only address the main one.

            First, a question for you before I attempt to answer. Are you denying that there has been and will be a Mujaddid / Imam for each and every century of Islam?

          • Prophethood has sealed, finished as stated explicitly in the quran ‘ Khatam an Nabiyeen’ and through hundreds of explicit authentic hadith the prophet has said’ There is no prophet after me’. To deny one explicit ayah or hadith willfully is kufr. To believe that there is any nabi after the prophet is kufr as one needs to willfully deny hundreds of explicit statements, this is kufr without doubt. The truth may hurt but its not my religion it is Allahs and to deny His words once is enough. There is no forgiveness for Shirk. For that one needs to stop committing Shirk and repent. If you do that then Allah will give value to your other actions….otherwise it is all for nothing.

          • @Nasir,

            Yes, if you believe, there is no prophet after Muhammad s.a.w.s. and follow the tenets of Islam you are in the fold of Islam. You have nothing to worry. Your life in this World and hereafter inshaAllah will be a blessing.

            On the contrary, believing in a new prophet, like Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (a grand liar) with new teachings (contrary to Islam) becomes a new religion.

            All actions of piety that you described become questionable, when you follow a Mirza who no longer had faith in words of Allah s.w.t and his last and final Messenger (the best of creation) s.a.w.s. and tried to corrupt them by his own lies and misleading ideas.

            To conclude, hidaya comes from Allah s.w.t only. We seek his guidance all the time and to protect us from the evil of shaithan. There is no compulsion in Islam as truth stands very clear from falsehood.

            Peace.

          • @ Nasir

            The ummah has put you outside Islam because you believe in prophethood after Muhammad (saw). Shias and Sunnis believe that an old prophet will return….and you dont.

      • @ Nasir M. on December 17, 2012 at 6:48 pm

        I asked you for a very simple proof and you have completely alluded what I asked, by saying it’s a vast subject of the sign they show and how to recognise them. I did not ask you how to recognise them, I asked you show me from the history of Islam, that any mujaddid claim himself to be one, beside Mirza Shahib.

        Your saying quote “… His claim is that the Holy Prophet (saw) has called him Nabi in the sense that he is the Isa that was to descend in the latter age of Islam so as to establish the victory of Islam over all other faiths …”

        Can you provide me the proof from Prophet (PBUH) saying that Mirza Gulam Ahmed son of Chirag bibi will be the Isa Ibn Mariam. Cause it would be wrong of Prophet (PBUH) not to mention the person name who is going to be like Isa and not the real Isa so that there would be no confusion for Ummah. Until or unless Prophet (PBUH) meant only one thing and that is, indeed the real Isa will descend.

        Mind you Prophet (PBUH) said about Isa returning by swearing oath on ALLAH. And it’s a verdict of Mirza Sahib himself that anything which is said by oath is to be taken literally and there is no need for interpretation, otherwise what is the need for the oath. For this go check Roohani Khazain Vol 7 PDF Page 224, Book Page 192 Hamat-ul-Bushra.
        Link : http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/volume/Ruhani_Khazain_Computerised/?l=Urdu&p=7#page/192/mode/1up

        So there is now two possibilities, either Mirza Sahib said a lie when he made that statement or he contradicted himself by making interpretation.

        If he lied then according to his own statement.

        “When someone is proven a liar in one thing, then he is no longer reliable in other matters.” (Roohani Khazain vol. 23 PDF Page 244, Book Page 231 Chashma-e-Ma’arifat)
        Link : http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/volume/Ruhani_Khazain_Computerised/?p=23&l=Urdu#page/231/mode/1up

        Or if he contradicted, then according to his own statement.

        “Writings of a truthful and clear-conscience person never contains any contradictions. Yes if someone is lunatic and insane or such a hypocrite who is a yes man for flattering someone, his writings will, of course, be contradictory.” (Roohani Khazain vol 10 PDF Page 176, Book Page 142 Sat Bachan)
        Link : http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/volume/Ruhani_Khazain_Computerised/?p=10&l=Urdu#page/142/mode/1up

        Now if you are really a honest and ALLAH fearing person, you should take heed, and think who you are trying to defend ? and on what cost ?

  8. @ Nasir, you said,
    “We believe that the prophecy about descent of Isa manifested in a spiritual and metaphorical way, not in a physical and literally way like a number of scholars had originally thought. That is, the descent of Isa meant that a Muslim, not the same Isa from Bani Israeel, was to descend having spiritual resemblance with Isa. He would bring spiritual treasures (not physical treasures) and would herald the victory of Islam in the later ages.”

    We do not agree with your interpretation as it:
    1) Contradicts Quran and Hadith
    2) Does not make any sense, that the decent of Hazrat Isa a.s has already occurred and yet nothing has been achieved. Christians, Jews and Muslims are still waiting for his return. Some are still worshiping the cross and eating the pork.

    End of argument as you have not convinced with any proof or logical reasoning. It is just your opinion and anyone can have opinion. Just like Bahaullah claimed to be a prophet, do you believe he was a prophet. Many claimed to be Messiah do you believe they were all messiahs. I can present abundance of hadith that goes against your argument.

    Further Mirza Sahib made such a mockery of Hazrat Isa a.s and his entire family including his mother in derogatory words that no human has done this so far. You believe this kind of person with such vulgar language can be a mujaddid, messiah or a mahdi or even a decent person? Please think again with an open mind and outside the box.

  9. Brother Tahir, this is a “game, set and match” article, for which you deserve much credit. I watch with amusement as well-meaning followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad perform mental gymnastics in hilarious attempts to nail the jelly of their cognitive dissonance to the wall on which there is writing, in black and white, but which they will not see.

    May Allah (SWT) guide them to truth and may He make your words a vehicle for that journey.

  10. I am not a scholar but whatever little I know, the Holy Quran does not contain any
    reference to the concept of “MUjaddid”. Purely on that basis I REJECT it . Also it
    will be helpful if the supporters of these ahadees tell me as to who is the Mujaddid for
    this century?

    • Absolutely no relevance to the article whatsoever. It has been allowed to be posted because this is the third consecutive post trying to make this point. If you want to divert the topic, please join the forum. The blog demonstrates that Ahmadiyya accept the concept of mujaddid. They accept the hadith on this belief. They have adopted this belief. They believe it is true as do Ahle Sunnah Wal Jammah. Therefore everyone else who wants to reject it and doesn’t want to believe in it, what difference does it make to the article? It makes not the slightest difference that you want to reject it, hence your comment has no relevance as your opinion on the belief of mujaddids has no bearing on the point that has been raised because of the stance of Ahmadiyya on this very belief.

  11. @Nasir M. on December 20, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    I have no doubt on Prophet (PBUH) saying.

    Now can you please simply provide the proof I requested, without going here and there.

  12. @ Tahir

    Nice work BRO. Ahmadis have lots of explaining to do. The 1974 proceedings contain so much data vs. Ahmadiyyat…we now have a truckload of references.

  13. @ Nasir M.

    I am still waiting on your answer, did Mirza Sahib lied or contradicted himself ? when he made statement, that when anything is said with an oath, there is no interpretation and they must be taken as it is, otherwise what’s the significant of taking an oath.

    Plus please I am still waiting on the proof of Prophet (PBUH) saying, that Mahdi and Isa (A.S) when ever ALLAH has appointed time for them to come, they both will declare themselves to be known by putting it in newspapers and printing advertisement to be known, like Mirza Sahib did.

    Because as I mentioned earlier the only saying of Prophet (PBUH) we can find is about imposters who will declare to be the one by themselves as Mirza Sahib did. So Mirza Sahib did indeed fulfilled Prophet (PBUH) saying that he is an imposter.

    So can’t understand, why you are adamant on following an imposter, proven with Prophet (PBUH) saying.

  14. @ All Ahmadis

    At a minimum….Ahmadis are saying that since those Muslims have heard all of their arguments in 1907, they are nothing more than associating partners with Allah if they still believe that Esa (as) is alive and will return from the sky.

    Even if we accept this watered down version of this sentence…Ahmadis are still abusive and aggressive in their claims.

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