Ahmadi Translation

Usually Ahmadis do not accept non-Ahmadi translations for many Quranic verses, Hadeeths and writings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (MGAQ). Well, I don’t claim that non-Ahmadi translations are always accurate, however I sincerely urge Ahmadis who do not read Urdu or Arabic to seek advice from a 3rd party about the correct translation of those texts.

I know it’s difficult to convince Ahmadis to doubt Ahmadi translations; however I still hope that the following two simple examples from MGAQ’s own writings would encourage them to check how valid the current official Ahmadi translations are.

For example, Urdu-speaking Ahamdis had been told by their leaders that the word آخر“Akhir” does mean “Last” in both Arabic and Urdu languages, however they also claim that the word ”Khatam” خاتم can never mean “Last” if it is followed by a plural.

This claim is of course baseless and wrong, however if Ahmadis are not willing to consult a 3rd party, they may refer to MGAQ’s own translation for the word “Akhir” آخر.

 MGAQ wrote: [Arabic] ((This time is the time of the آخر Akhir/Last of Khalifas)) – RK, Vol 16, Khutba Ilhamiyya,p122.

 

 

 

You can see from the scanned page that the translation by MGAQ and his follower for the wordآخر “Last” is “Khatam” خاتم.

Similarly Arab Ahmadis had been told by their leaders that the Anti-Ahmadiyya translations from Urdu to Arabic are misleading. For example, Arab Ahmadis accept that MGAQ did actually say غبي “Ghabi” about the great companion Abu Hurairah (ra), however these Ahmadis claim that the word غبي (Ghabi) in Urdu is totally different from the Arabic word غبي (Ghabhi) which means “Stupid”.

Now let us read the original sentence by MGAQ:

 MGAQ wrote: [Urdu] ((Abu Hurairah was غبي “Ghabi”)) – RK, Vol 19, Ijaz Ahmadi, p127.

 

 

 

Arab Ahmadis do not accept that the Urdu wordغبي “Ghabi” is identical to the Arabic word غبي “Ghabi” which literally means “Stupid” in Arabic. However I hope they will change their mind after reading the following Arabic page written by MGAQ:

 MGAQ wrote: [Arabic] ((In their eyes [our opponents] the knowledgeable person is an ignorant and a “Ghabi” غبي)) – RK, Vol 8, Nur ul Haq, p3.

 

 

 

You can see from the scanned page that MGAQ’s own Arabic-Urdu translation for the word “stupid” is “Ghabi” غبي.

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49 thoughts on “Ahmadi Translation

  1. There are also clear instances where Mirza Ghulam used the word ‘Khaatam al-XYZ’ to mean “Last of the XYZ”.

    • And ya my dear if you know a bit Arabic you could know that the word Khaatam have meanings of the last and the superior too…. so as we say prophet Muhammad PBUH is the superior among prophets so we translate the verse of the Holy Quran ما کان محمد ابا احد مّن رّجا لکم ولٰکن رّسول
      Oاللہ و خاتم النّبیین و کان اللہ بِکلّ شی ء علیما that “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
      In this verse Allah says that Muhammad is the seal of the Prophets that means that by Muhammad All the needs of Prophet-hood are fulfilled by Muhammad PBUH and if He is the last prophet then my dear how can you say that He is superior than other prophets because a Prophet i mean Muses had a superiority that in His Ummah there is a Prophet (Jesus), but in the Ummah of Muhammad PBUH there is no prophet. so it is necessary that there should be a prophet as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) claimed to be.

        • The meaning of the word “Khatim” is “He who applies the Stamp” (Mohar lagany wala”). and meaning of the word “Khatam” is “Stamp” (Mohar).
          But do consider that this word is used as a group (MURAKKAB) with Nabiyyen. So its meanings has to be taken as a whole. For Example Ibn means “Son” (Beta) and Sabeel means “The Way” (Rasta) but when used in a group (Murakkab) as Ibn Ussabeel it does not mean “Son of The Way” but it means “The Passenger” (Musafir).
          From the above explanation when we look into the usage of Khatim with a group of people that is Plural (Jama) not Collective Noun (Ism Jama) it always means “The best of them”. For example Khatim U Shu’ara means “The Best Poet” and there are many other examples.
          Note: Please keep in mind that as in this group (Murakkab) Plural is used (Nabiyyen) and Collective Noun (Ism Jama) is not used so the Group(Murakkab) Khatim ul Qaom may not bring any dought in your mind about my explanation because in it the word QAOM (The Nation) is not Plural(Jama) but Collective Noun (Ism Jama).

          • Please read the article I posted above. It shows that khaatam AND khaatim mean ‘last’ using multiple dictionaries and lexicons.

            Also, while Mirza Bashir said ‘khaatim’ means last, Modern Ahmadis will deny this and say even with the different qira’a saying ‘khaatim al-nabiyyin’, it STILL does not mean ‘last of the prophets’.

            In other words, the extreme Ahmadis essentially argue there is no way to express the thought ‘last of the prophets’.

          • Sounds like you have done some preliminary research on the topic. You should begin to study the methodology of MGA on the matter.

            Do you know that it was actually Noorudin who brought this argument forward, i.e. Khatim means last whereas Khatam doesnt?

            Have you studied the occurence of the word Khatim in the Quran? I have. I’ll tell you…Allah never used it to mean last. Allah only used it to mean the sealing of something.

            Google Khatim vs. Khatam.

            The Rash

          • @ Lucky

            (From alislam.org) [42:25] Do they say, ‘He has forged a lie against Allah?’ If Allah had so willed, He could seal thy heart as He has sealed the hearts of thy enemies. But Allah is blotting out falsehood through thee and is establishing the truth by His words. Surely, He knows full well what is in the breasts.

            ^ the word Khatim was used in the above.

            Please explain what it means again….

          • @ Rationalist
            my dear first of all you must put the full verse here in Arabic text and then you yourself check the translation honestly in this verse Allah wants to say you that “He could seal thy heart” which doesn’t mean that he will make your heart last and no more hearts there etc it means that He could make your heart to no understand things and light….
            anyway you now tell me your translation of this verse what do you think what is the meaning here for the word KHATAM here?????

          • @ Lucky

            The word Khatim is used here..not Khatam.

            Your Mahmud Ahmad wrote that Khatim means LAST. This verse proves him wrong. There are a few others if I remember correctly.

            Furthermore, diacritical marks were only used to assist in pronunciation. Nothing more and nothing less. They dont drastically change the meanings of any word as much as Mahmud Ahmad claimed.

      • @ Lucky

        Interesting…..do you know that their is a splinter-cell of Ahmadiyyat called the Lahoris that would argue with you on this? They had some top-flight Ahmadis join circa 1914. They even believe that Esa (as) died…..

        • ya i know them and see my dear believing in this you may have some difficulty to defense Islam too
          because if christens say you that Jesus (Esa AS) have on priority on Muhammad PBUH that he is still alive in the heavens and sitting with Allah on His right hand but Muhammad PBUH is died and is buried in the earth…
          what will you say to them my dear?

          • I dont need to say anything….debates dont solve anything…did Muhammad (saw) ever hold large scale debates on religious dogma?

            Doesnt the Quran say, “for me my religion and for you your religion”? Dont little children memorize these verses by age 7? I know I did.

            You see…Ahmadiyyat was a side effect of British colonialism. Hence the reasoning and psychology. MGA felt that he could solve the arguments as presented by the Christians in British India. What MGA didnt understand was that Christianity had already been refuted by the Quran circa 610. All the arguments were already given to us by Allah. The argument that you bring up is a non-sensical point.

            Furthermore, Islam is closer to Christianity than any other religion in that we are ALL waiting for the return of Esa (as). When he returns….things will be sorted out perfectly.

          • Lucky:

            I havent searched the hadith directly (so I cant quote which book it is in) – but in brief:
            there was an incident during the prophet (saw)’s time where the companions came to the prophet (saw) saying that the Jews were saying that Musa (as) was better then him (saw).
            He told them to say to the jews: We do not differentiate between the prophets… (this verse is in numerous places in the Qur’an including in Al-Baqara and Aali Al-Imran)

            We of course know that Allah (swt) prefered Muhammad (saw) over the other prophets – and this is clear through many other texts such as what Ibraheem (as) said to him during the Israa and Mi’raaj.
            —————
            Regaring your understanding of the term ‘Khatim/Khatam An-Nabiyeen’ – as much as the Ahmediyya can have wide linguistic interpretations to sentences in Arabic using grammar rules and other tools of language (and thus they do so with this phrase) – there is no better understanding to the verse in the Qur’an then that of the companions that were with the prophet (saw). There are hundreds of statements from the companions and those that came after them that it means last, end of, no more…
            If you overide your arabic understanding (which Farhan has also shown is either non-existent or weak) over those that were there during revelation and who had direct contact with the Arabic of that time… then your foundations are problematic.

            And Allah (swt) knows best

          • oh my dear i know there is debate then none of the groups accept that other one is right,
            but we have an advantage by such debates the one who is astray from the right path he possibly can come back on صراط مستقیم inshAllah,
            and one other thing if read the Holy Quran we will come to know that there are many of examples of debates as you can see in the matter of Abraham and in the matter of Moses And in the matter of Loot and many others,
            and if you don’t search for the right path how will you come nearer to Allah my dear
            life is so short we must have to watch if we are among those who have blessed by Allah (الذین انعمت علیھم) or among those whom Allah has cursed (مغضوب علیھم و الا الضالین)???
            Allah says in the Holy Quran that many of prophets says to there nations oh my people tell me i am on the right path what will be your answer when you are in front of Allah?
            at the end i just want to say
            اھدنا الصراط المستقیم………………..امین

          • @ Abu Musa
            at first my brother you yourself said

            “He told them to say to the jews: We do not differentiate between the prophets… (this verse is in numerous places in the Qur’an including in Al-Baqara and Aali Al-Imran)”

            so why do you differentiate Jesus (Esa AS) to other prophets that all of them are died but Jesus AS is still alive? when Quran says:
            مَّا الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ إِلاَّ رَسُولٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِن قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدِّيقَةٌ كَانَا يَأْكُلاَنِ الطَّعَامَ انظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الْآيَاتِ ثُمَّ انظُرْ أَنَّى يُؤْفَكُونَ
            نہیں مسیح ابن مریم مگر ایک رسول البتہ آپ سے پہلے سب رسول فوت ہوچکے ہیں اور آپ کی والدہ راست باز تھیں وہ دونو ں ماں بیٹا کھانا کھایا کرتے تھے
            المائدہ:76
            so Jesus AS was nothing but a prophet and as you know Prophets are always from among the people,

            and on other hand you yourself differentiate and say:
            “We of course know that Allah (swt) prefered Muhammad (saw) over the other prophets – and this is clear through many other texts such as what Ibraheem (as) said to him during the Israa and Mi’raaj.”
            so i believe that Prophet SAW is best among Prophets and all the mankind as Allah says رحمۃ للعالمین
            ____________
            and as well as concerning the interpretations i believe no one can understand more than the companions of Muhammad SAW so i can tell you an incident when at the time of death of Muhammad SAW Hazrat Umer RA said that if someone say that Muhammad SAW has died i will cut his neck by my sword then everyone was very much sad and Hazrat Abu Bakar RA came and recited the verse
            وَمَا مُحَمَّدٌ اِلَّا رَسُوْلٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِنْ قَبْلِہِ الرُّسُلُ اَفَاِنْ مَاتَ اَوْ قُتِلَ اِنْقَلَبْتُمْ عَلٰی اَعْقَابِکُمْ ۔

            (ال عمران: ۱۴۵)
            ترجمہ ۔ آنحضرت ﷺ ایک رسول ہیں آپ سے پہلے کے سب رسول فوت ہوچکے ہیں پس اگر یہ مر جائے یا قتل کیا جائے تو تم اپنی ایڑیوں کے بل پرپھر جاؤ گے
            and said who was worship Muhammad SAW then his god has died but who worships Allah then he is alive and حیّ القیّوم and he never dies.
            then there was not a single companion of Muhammad SAW who could say that Prophet of christens is still alive so why our Prophet dies???
            even not Umer RA.
            so now tell me which interpretation is correct our or your.

            and if you just leave your faith on this that Allah knows best then why He sends Messenger and why he reveals the books???
            my just to make people know what is right and what is wrong

          • Lucky:

            Firstly:
            Allah (swt) says in the Qur’an:
            -“…We have preferred some prophets over others…” (Surah Al-Israa)
            -“We do not differentiate between prophets” (Surah Al-Baqara and other surahs)

            I asked a teacher of Tafsir about these verses – and he said that amongst the prophets, Allah (swt) gave some of them things that he didn’t give to others. From amongst this – some of them, He (swt) raised from prophets to messengers (from Nabiyeen to Rusul). From amongst the Rusul he chose five of the ‘Ulal Azam’ and from those five, he chose two ‘Khalils’ and from the two Khalils, he preferred Muhammad (saw).
            We do not differentiate between them (in terms of) because they all came with the same message and the same path to get back to Allah (swt) even though some had a different law that was to be followed – but some were preferred in what they were given and also their closeness to Allah (swt).

            So in regards to raising Isa (as) – there is wisdom behind his decent, as there was wisdom in raising him – I again asked about this to one of my teachers here in Egypt – and although his answer was very deep and quite lengthy – basically, Allah (swt) mentions that the ‘Ahl Al-Kitaab’ will need to have the proof given to them before the end of time, and he (as) when he returns will show them that Muahammad (saw) was the final prophet as he will follow his Sharia and he will also break the cross. Another teacher I asked also said that much of the ‘Qadr’ is a test to the Muslims – to see if they believe in the words of Allah (swt) or not – but this was not directly related to the question.

            Secondly:
            The companions as a general have the best understanding of Islam and the Qur’an and the sunnah. This does not mean they are not of mistakes – for no one is free of mistakes.
            Ibn Masood (ra) was one of the most knowledgeable people in Qur’an and the prophet (saw) even told the companions to go and learn it from him. He didn’t agree that the last two verses in Surah Tawba were part of the Qur’an – a mistake he made.
            Umers (ra) statement was corrected by Abu Bakr (ra) and straight away he realised he made a mistake. The other day we learnt that Umer (ra) wanted to put a cap on the ‘mahr’ (dowry) of marriage – and one of the women told him about a verse in Surah Nisaa talking about the Mahr – and Umer (ra) realised he made his mistake – saying: ‘Mistaken is Umer and correct is this lady’.
            So, Abu Bakr (ra) understood the place of Muhammad (saw) and understood that Isa (as) still has a role to play – and the rest of the companions understood this – although perhaps they found it hard to believe Muhammad (saw) had left them. As Anas (ra) said – the prophet brought light to the city (Medina) when he (saw) arrived and now that light has gone. The prophet (saw) also said the biggest hardship to face his ummah was his death – and we can see the effect during the early years will all the wars that had to be fought because of misunderstandings about what the death of the prophet (saw) meant.

            Thirdly:
            That ayat that you mentioned – I advise you to search its Tafsir – i.e. why Allah (swt) mentions Isa (as) and Mariyam (as) as people – and who the revelations were revealed to (asbaab an-nazool) – you will see that it was to the Christians that were debating the prophet (saw) the nature of Isa (as) and it was showing them that he was not a God – rather a man and a prophet. Later in Surah Ma’ida – Allah (swt) actually makes Paradise Haram for those who take Isa (as) as the son of God – or saying that Allah (swt) is three. And in Surah Al-Imran Allah (swt) tells the prophet (saw) to bring his family and to the Christians to being their families and ask Allah (swt) to curse those who are lying after the truth has been shown to them.

            Finally:
            We are always taught – especially in the answer to questions to revert all knowledge back to Allah (swt). It is how the early scholars would leave answers – since at the end of the day – we are all able to make mistakes and Allah (swt) is the one who has complete knowledge – and we are only give a very small portion of that knowledge.

          • @ Abu Musa

            dear everyone have his own interpretation about the Holy Quran but can you please answer me these questions:
            will he (Jesus AS) be prophet any more when he will be back in the Ummah of Muhammad SAW???

            on which sect will he believe?

            from whom he will learn the Holy Quran?
            i mean to which Mullah?

            how will he come down i mean by a ladder etc or sth else?

            and when he will be back who will have to obey him when according to your own interpretations it will be the time of Qiyyamat?

            when Muhammad PBUH خاتم النبیین then how we can say there is a Prophet (Jesus) is there in his Ummah?

            will he teach Bible or the Holy Quran?

            and Finally please go to your teachers and ask to solve the verse:
            Al-Imran verse 50

            and please tell me will this verse be meaningless (ونعوذ باللہ) when Jesus will be here and will teach his teachings to the Muslims?
            and Allah says “And will make him a Messenger to the children of Israel (to say): ‘I come to you with a Sign from your Lord…..” ???

            and you please answer me these Questions that we may able to continue our discussion,

          • @ Abu Musa

            That was beautiful explanation Big Brother.

            @ Lucky

            Do you also mock the beliefs of Christians who await the return of Jesus Christ?

          • If it is OK – I will need a few days to ask some of the Mashaaikh here some of these questions.
            Also – some of these answer are hadith from the prophet (saw) that I will need to do some search on.
            InshaAllah I will try before the weekend is out here and befere school starts again

          • Lucky:

            Firstly – it is impermissible (haram) for anyone to simply have their own interpretation of the Qur’an – and there are not lots of Qur’anic interpretations by the great scholar of Islam. If you delve into the books of Tafsir (especially the older ones) – you will find them almost identical in terms of the linguistic and Islamic meaning of the verses and many of them are usually either hadith of the prophet (saw) and what he said about the meaning of the verse, or if Allah (swt) gives more details about a verse somewhere else in the Qur’an or if the companions (or the very early generations) say what a word or verse means.
            Where the Tafsirs differ is usually where the author has written his own ponderings over the verse (known as tadabur) or for example with Imam Qurtabi’s (ra) tafsir – he comes with a lot of rulings (fiqhy issues) that he has derived from the verses. Some other tafsirs will have a deeper look into the linguistic side of the Qur’an and others look at it from an Usul perspective – a famous one is Sheikh Amin As-Shinqiti (ra) – but this is not interpretation and those who interpret the Qur’an without having the correct knowledge are committing huge sins and we ask Allah (swt) to save us from this.

            Secondly – Allah (swt) sent Isa (as) as a prophet to the Beni Israail. In fact, the prophet (saw) said in numerous hadith (such as in Al-Bukhari) that from amongst the things that Allah (swt) gave him (saw) that he didn’t give other prophets was that he was sent to the whole of mankind whereas the other prophets were sent to their people.
            The prophet (saw) also said that when Isa (as) returns, he will follow the Sharia of Islam (i.e. he is a follower of the laws that Muhammad (saw) brought and no longer abiding by the Tawrah/Injil) – and he tied in his return with both leading the Muslims, but also linked it aspects of Christianity by saying that he will break the cross and kill the pig – i.e. something that is specific to the people that he was originally sent for. This is what one of my teachers told me about the issue – i.e. a large part of his return is linked with Alh Al-Kitaab because not only are they waiting for him to come back – he (as) will come and show to them that the religion of Muhammad (saw) is the religion that needs to be followed.
            This is also the meaning of the verse in Surah An-Nisaa “And there is not from the Ahl Al-Kitaab except that will believe in him before his death and on the day of judgement he will be a witness against them” – and we know that Isa (as) is still alive and when he returns, he will pass away.
            He is also sent to lead the Muslims and kill the Ad-Dajaal – and he comes to spread peace in the land after there was much corruption.
            I don’t see what your problem is with this verse – unless I haven’t understood the question.

            Thirdly – Isa (as) is a prophet and will return as one – & he has direct contact with the Angel Jibrael (as) and as Allah (swt) said in Surah Maryam.
            All prophets are taught by Allah (swt) using Angels – and they have doors to the unseen that we do not – they do not learn from man. There is an incident where Musa (as) was a student of Al-Khidr (as) (this story is in Surah al-Kahf) – but the majority of scholars say that he himself was a prophet and that a prophet teaching another prophet has happened many times.

            Aside from this, Allah (swt) has already mentioned that he will have knowledge of the Qur’an and the Sunnah.
            He (swt) says in Surah Al-Imran: “and we taught him (Isa (as)) the ‘Al-Kitaab’ and ‘Al-Hikma’ and the Taurah and the Injil”

            What does Kitaab and Hikma mean here?

            In another verse, Allah (swt) tells the Muslims that: “and we sent to you a messenger from amongst you (i.e. Muhammad (saw)) reciting to you our verses and purifying you and teaching you ‘Al-Kitaab’ and ‘Al-Hikma’ and teaching you what you didn’t know” (Surah Baqara)
            In another verse, Allah (swt) says to the wives of the prophet: “and remember what is being recited in your houses from the signs and ‘Al-Hikma’…” (Surah Al-Ahzaab)

            The companions and the scholars agree that here Allah (swt) mentions that the prophet taught the ‘Kitaab’ i.e. this is the Qur’an and the ‘Hikma’ is his Sunnah.
            You can search for example Tabaris’ (ra) tafsir for at least 10 companions saying the same with regards to the meaning of ‘Al-Kitaab’ and ‘Al-Hikma’.

            Allah (swt) has used the same terminology for Isa (as) – i.e. he taught him the ‘Kitaab’ and the ‘Hikma’ (i.e. the Quran and Sunnah) and he taught him the Tawra and Injil – for he needed them for his first mission (as he ruled the people by the Injil) and he will need the Quran and Sunnah for his second coming since he will rule according to these.

            Fourthly – Isa (as) when he returns will be a Muslim and will lead the Muslims and will fight in wars with the Muslims. According to one hadith in Imam Ahmad’s (ra) musnad – he will destroy all sects and religions and kill Ad-Dajal and after this peace will rule the Earth. People will obey him since he will be the leader of the Muslims.

            Fifthly – regarding the decent of Isa (as) and the end of times – our scholars have discussed deeply most the items you have mentioned and it is all there in the hadith literature. Scholars such as Ibn Kathir (ra) have compiled books that combine all the hadith and I will just mention a few things Insha’Allah. I advise you to read his book on the end of times – I have seen it in English – and Insha’Allah, you will understand very soon that the prophet (saw) said that Isa (as) was one person and the Mehdi was another (the hadith that mentions they are two have been regarded as weak by the majority of hadith scholars) and that they will be around at the same time and together kill Ad-Dajal and fight wars together.

            From Sahih Muslim:
            -The prophet (saw) said that Isa (as) will remain forty (and it wasn’t recorded if he meant forty days, months of years). He will resemble one of the companions and will kill Ad-Dajal. After this, there will be peace on the Earth for 7 years. Allah (swt) will then take all the believers away from the Earth and only disbelievers will remain. Then after this the trumpet will be blown.

            From Imam Ahmad’s (ra) Musnad
            -The prophet (saw) said that he will come down as a just ruler, breaking the cross and killing the pigs and abolishing the Jizya (the tax paid by the non-Muslims living under Muslim rule)
            -Allah (swt) will release Yajuj and Majuj in his time and they will be destroyed after Isa (as) makes dua for Allah (swt) to remove them. After this time, the hour will be very close, like that of a pregnant women about to give birth.

            I remember one time there was some discussion about how the decent happens and we know that it happens in Syria. But the hadith about the actual decent I cannot find – and it will take me probably some time to do a search on it – so for the moment, I cannot answer that precise question – but I do believe the prophet (saw) has mentioned it in a hadith.

            Wa Allahu a’lam

  2. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and his cult of Ahmadiyya nailed, again. Or should that be “crucified”?

    Anyway, well argued piece brother. Let anyone with eyes see.

  3. Nice work Fuad!!

    The problem is …very few Ahmadis have even heard of the book Ijaz-e-Ahmadi. This is one of the few books that were written by MGAQ in Arabic. Pir Mehr Ali Shah was in squabble with MGA in those days and MGA subsequently wrote this book. The book itself is heavily plagurized as Pir Mehr Ali Shah pointed out.

    • @ br. Rationalist
      Do you mean Ijaz-ul-Masih? As far as I am aware, Pir Mehr Ali Shah did not address the plagiarism of Ijaz-e-Ahmadi book.

      • Yes u r correct. I had those 2 books mixed up.

        It seems that MGA was battling with Sanuallah when he wrote Ijaz-e-Ahmadi. Why did he say that about Abu Hurairah (ra)?

  4. What I find quite shocking is how few Qadianis have actually read any of Mirzas books. Infact I have spoken to almost 50 qadianis in the past 3 years and not one has read any of his books from beginning to end. These people are trying to convince me that Mirza is a prophet yet they havent even read his books?? Its like Christians trying to convince others of Jesus yet they havent even read the Bible? How can any Christian talk about Jesus without having read the Bible, yet Qadianis talk about Mirza without having read a single book of his. Its complete fallacy.

    • @ Abu Iman

      Imagine all the Ahmadis in the Arab world (the roughly 500)…they cant read 70% of the books of MGA. In fact, the Amir of Haifa had a debate with an Islamic Imam, wherein they discussed the Braheen e Ahmadiyya series. The Ahmadi mullah accused the Muslim of not being able to read those books because they were only in Urdu. The irony was that he himself had most probably never read the series either.

      • assalamoalykom
        hhhh amir haifa know urdo better than u

        and i reassure u that most urdu boos are now in arabic every thing exist in urdu hazrat promised messaih spoke in it n arabic books. we r not ignorant

        khatam means last and best but from the context

        HAZRAT Moammad pbuh IS THE LAST PROPHET and the the greatest prophet . but isa bn mariyam will come after him. so status of prophethoodc wich was in the passt given to man kind independatly without conditoion of obeying and diyng in loving the prophet has finished by Mohmaed pbbuh now this messaih will reach this levekl by obeying Allah (am) nd Prophet Mohamad pbpuh .so we dont call him just nabi but nabi (prophet) follower of holy prophet pbuh. he is from is own ummah.

        so promised messiyah doesnt make anny error whren he refuse calling him self nabi because people think that nabi means abrogating iislam. ifu read his old books in urdu or arabic u will find he calked himef MUHADDATH as kind of prophethood.
        mistake was erased from sm ahmadie’s mind who misunderstand this.

        • @ IMED

          And yet…Muhammad Ali and many others didnt see this alleged mistake that you speak of.

          You should really research the methodology of MGA in terms of his claim to be Esa (as) as well as him claim to prophethood. His methodology is identical in both claims.

          Furthermore, it highly unlikely that the Amir of Haifa knows urdu on same level that he knows arabic. I bet he cant do a speech in urdu nor can he write an article in urdu. IMHO, the Haifa Ahmadis only converted because of the business aspect of life in Israel. As we all know, they are stone masons and are quite possibly the richest stone masons in all of Israel. If they had remained Muslims, there businesses would have failed. Since they converted to a jewish friendly religion, they survived. (For Refereces, see Ray Registers thesis).

        • imed:

          Mirza Gullam said the door of prophethood is still open… i.e. more prophets can and will come. So either prophet Muhammad (saw) is the last sent prophet or he is not… you have to make up your minds and not keep telling the muslims & non-muslims different stories

  5. In barheen ahmadiyya vol 5 Mirza ghulam called ESA(AS) Khatam al anbiyaa of Bani Israel 🙂

    • I believe it was along the lines of: ‘Esa is the khaatam al-nabiyyin in the Israeli silsila. After him, there were no more Israeli prophets.

      I can provide the exact reference, if need be.

      • Yes thats the thing

        and remember according to MGA himself ESA(AS) is neither Last Law bearing nor Best Prophet of Bani Israel 🙂

  6. ہاں خداتعالیٰ کی پہلی کتابوں میں بعض پیشگوئیاں اسی پیشگوئی کے ہم معنی حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ السلام کی نسبت ہیں جن میں لکھا ہے کہ یہودی ان کو قبول نہیں کریں گے۔ جیسا کہ انجیل میں بھی انہیں پیشگوئیوں کے حوالہ سے لکھا ہے کہ جس پتھر کو معماروں نے رد کیا وہی کونہ کا سرا ہوا۔ یعنی اسرائیلی نبیوں کا خاتم الانبیاء ہوا۔
    Volume: 21, Page: 267, Book: Braheen-i-Ahmadiyya Vol. 5)

    اُمت محمدیہ کا مسیح اُمت موسویہ کے مسیح سے افضل ہے کیونکہ ہمارا نبی موسیٰ سے افضل ہے بات یہ ہے کہ حکمت اور مصلحت الٰہیہ نے تقاضا کیا تھا کہ جیسا کہ موسوی خلیفوں میں سے حضرت عیسیٰ علیہ السلام خاتم الخلفاء ہے اسی طرح آنحضرت صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم کے خلیفوں میں سے ایک خاتم الخلفاء آخر الزمان میں پیدا ہوگا (جو یہ عاجز ہے) تا اسرائیلی اور اسما عیلی سلسلے باہم مشابہت پیدا کریں پس جبکہ ہمارے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم حضرت موسیٰ سے افضل ہیں تو اس سے لازم آتا ہے کہ آپ کی اُمت کا خاتم الخلفاء حضرت موسیٰ کے خاتم الخلفاء سے افضل ہو۔ حق یہی ہے جس کے کان سُننے کے ہیں سُنے۔ افسوس! ہمارے مخالف بار بار یہ تو کہتے ہیں کہ اخیر زمانہ میں ایک گروہ اہل اسلام کا یہودی صفت ہو جائیں گے اور جیسا کہ بد قسمت یہودی خدا کے نبیوں کو رد کرتے اور پیشگوئیوں کا انکار کرتے تھے وہ بھی کریں گے مگر یہ ان کے منہ سے نہیں نکلتا کہ جیسا کہ دونوں سلسلوں کو دو نبیوں کی مماثلت کی وجہ سے اول میں مشابہت ہے ایسا ہی خاتم الخلفاء کے پیدا ہونے کے بعد آخر میں بھی مشابہت پیدا ہو جائے گی۔
    (Volume: 22, Page: 483, Book: Haqiqat-ul-Wahi)

    بعض ناواقف یہ اعتراض کیا کرتے ہیں کہ مسیح موعود کا قرآن شریف میں کہاں ذکر ہے؟ اس کا یہ جواب ہے کہ خدا کی کتابوں میں مسیح موعود کے کئی نام ہیں منجملہ اُن کے ایک نام اس کا خاتم الخلفاء ہے یعنی ایسا خلیفہ جو سب سے آخر آنے والا ہے سو اس نام کے ساتھ قرآن شریف میں مسیح موعود کے بارہ میں پیشگوئی موجود ہے چنانچہ سُورۃ نور میں خداتعالیٰ نے وعدہ فرمایا ہے کہ وہ مسلمانوں میں سے آخری دنوں تک اُن کے دین کی تقویت کے لئے خلیفے پیدا کرتا رہے گا اور اُن کے ذریعہ سے خوف کے بعد امن کی صورت پیدا کردے گا۔ آخری دنوں تک خلیفوں کاپیدا ہونا اس قرینہ سے معلوم ہوتا ہے کہ بموجب نص صریح قرآن شریف کے اسلام کا دور دُنیاکے آخری دنوں تک ہے پس ماننا پڑا کہ اسلام میں بھی ایک خاتم الخلفاء ہے جیسا کہ حضرت موسیٰ کے سلسلہ میں حضرت عیسیٰ خاتم الخلفاء تھے۔ اور یہ عجیب راز ہے کہ جیسا کہ حضرت عیسیٰ ؑ حضرت موسیٰ ؑ سے بموجب قول یہود کے چود۱۴ہویں صدی میں پیدا ہوئے اسی طرح اسلام کا خاتم الخلفاء اسی مدت کے بعد مبعوث ہوا۔
    (Volume: 23, Page: 333, Book: Chashma Ma-rafat)

  7. We should remember…there is an entire group of people (lahoris) who believe that MGA was mistaken in terms of the birth of Esa (as). This opens the possibility of MGA making mistakes on a daily basis and his followers subsequently looking the other way.

    Ahmadiyyat started off as a reform movement. They were willing to educate people and transform the villages of India into a battalion of Indian’s that would suffice British aspirations in the region, i.e. by getting educated and co-operating with the British way of life. This marketing scheme was able to convince Indians to join. It wasn’t doctrine.

    Another example…the Lahoris sold the books of Kwaja Kamalludin and Muhammad Ali from Woking, UK. They rarely sold the books of MGA. Thus proving that most Ahmadis were only in it for the MONEY.

  8. for the sake of money?????
    what we do get in this religion……
    years in jail just becouse we said
    “assalamualaiqum”…… an illegal offensive sentence in the gov of Pakistan if an ahmadi speaks????
    years of jail for calling for prayer (adhan)
    years of jail for writing “la illaha illallaho Muhammad ur rasuul Allah”
    what???
    dont u people speak the same sentence?
    ist it the first pillar to enter in islam???
    why we??? the ones who should be tortured and killed???

    • Two completely separate issues:
      A) Whether foreign Pakistani law (not British, Canadian or US law) is valid.
      B) Whether the Ahmadiyya religion is correct.

      Whether or not one agrees with or disagrees with Pakistani law has absolutely no bearing on the validity of the Ahmadiyya religion. But, some murabbis try to make people think Ahmadiyya is valid because of violence against Ahmadi minorities in foreign countries. We call this Demagoguery.

      I wish the science of logic was still taught in schools. But most people confuse ‘logic’ with ‘what makes personal sense to me’. Sad.

      • oh my dear please you don’t make the statement by which you yourself is trapped
        if some none-Muslim ask you the same question about Muhammad SAW and Islam that it is not a beauty of Islam that in the early days Muslims has to bear many many difficulties and “Zulm” what would be your answer man????

    • Yes. It was all for the money. What is your opinion in terms of WHY Muhammad Ali degraded the prophethood of MGA and called him son a rapist? Why did Muhammad Ali behave as such?

      I recently learned that Muhammad Ali was the highest paid employee of the Sadr Anjuman. Do you know how much money he made off those Qurans by the way??? When researching crime scenes..you should always look to see who is benefitting…

      • so my dear what is with you i mean dont you know that Allah have a promise with momineen (مومنین) that they will be granted with wealth and health in this life and hear-after too.
        so if Allah grants on Ahmadies by wealth what is to you.

        • What is your opinion about Muhammad Ali? He called the son of your Messiah a miscreant. He called the off-spring of your messiah as deviants who were only in it for the money. Whats your answer?

          This is an insider who exposed the family of your Messiah. These werent “Anti-ahmadiyya” people!

        • MGA was a slave of the British colonial rulers of India.At least Gandhi did a better job in the sense that he got rid of tyranny and injustice, that MGA wholeheartedly supported. True Prophets of GOD are never slaves of any occupational forces or those who commit injustices. If you still believe that he was some kind of a Prophet of Maseeh Maud, good luck to you call your religion whatever you like but please leave Islam & Muslims alone.

          • @ m.k
            thats not true m.k
            hazrat yousuf (a.s) worked under the government of egypt
            he (a.s) was a prophet too
            so thats not how a prophet is recognized
            its how he did…..

          • Hazrat Yousuf said that I leave a nation that worships gods other than Allah. He never did anything low like Mirza Sb did for British Government. Just check out the style:
            اے ملکہ معظمہ قیصرہ ہند ہم عاجزانہ ادب کے ساتھ تیرے حضور میں کھڑے ہوکر عرض کرتے ہیں

            O Grand Queen, Empress of India. We beg to state with humble humility in your huzoor….

            Just look at the style – dear blind Ahmadis.

          • And look what he says about the mushrik woman:

            تیرا عہدِ حکومت کیا ہی مبارک ہے کہ آسمان سے خدا کا ہاتھ تیرے مقاصد کی تائید کر رہا ہے۔ تیری ہمدردیء رعایا اور نیک نیتی کی راہوں کو فرشتے صاف کر رہے ہیں۔

            Your regime is extremely blessed that hand of God is helping your objectives from the heaven. Angels are paving/cleaning the ways of your compassion for peasants and sincerity.

            What were the objectives of that Mushrik Woman other than tyranny that angels were cleaning her ways to the church.

            As per the above paragraph – Queen Victoria was holier than Mirza and Jinnah who won freedom was an imposter.

  9. Do you know Mirza Sb used to call that Mushrik Queen – Hazrat Malika (Hazrat Queen). Just imagine…

    میں حضرت ملکہ معظمہ کی رعایا میں سے پنجاب کے ایک معزز خاندان میں سے ایک شخص ہوں جو میرزا غلام احمد قادیانی کے نام سے مشہور ہوں۔

  10. I think the funniest part is where Mirza Sb praises Queen Victoria that she robbed wealth of India so that people of India became poorer. This poverty helped them to become spiritually better – wow…. Just imagine how blind an Ahmadi can be:

    میرے خیال میں یہ بھی گزرتا ہے کہ اس سے پہلے اس ملک کی فارغ البالی اور دولتمندی اسکی روحانی ترقی کی بہت مانع تھی اور ہرایک مال اور دولت رکھنے والا عیاشی اور آرام پسندی کی طرف اعتدال سے زیادہ جھک گیا تھا۔ اگر ہندوستان کی وہی صورت رہتی تو آج شاید اسؔ ملک کے رہنے والے وحشیوں سے بھی بدتر ہوتے۔ یہ اچھا ہوا کہ بہ سبب احسن تدبیر گورنمنٹ برطانیہ کے اس ملک کے اسباب تنعم و آرام طلبی کچھ مختصر کئے گئے تا لوگ فنون اور علوم کی طرف متوجہ ہوں اور روحانی ترقیات کا بھی دروازہ کھلے اور نفسانی جذبات کے وسائل کم ہو جائیں۔ سو یہ سب کچھ عہد سعادت مہد ملکہ معظمہ قیصرہ ہند میں ظہور میں آیا۔
    I also think that earlier the self sufficiency and riches of this country were hindering its spiritual uplift. Every rich and wealthy person was too much inclined towards luxury and easy life style. It was good that due to appropriate actions of British Government in this country the means of blessings and luxury are somewhat shortened so that people can focus on knowledge and professionalism and the door to spiritual uplift can also open and means for sensual desires can be reduced. This all happened in the blessed regime of Great Queen Empress of India.

    How stupid and how blind.

    • @ new observer

      Nice work Big Brother!!

      One question..whats the reference? Is this book available in english?

  11. I hope one day someone translates all the books of Mirza Sb into English. I am sorry I missed the references I give below the references for all one by one:
    اے ملکہ معظمہ قیصرہ ہند ہم عاجزانہ ادب کے ساتھ تیرے حضور میں کھڑے ہوکر عرض کرتے ہیں
    O Grand Queen, Empress of India. We beg to state with humble humility in your huzoor….
    Tauhfa-e-Qaisaria page 277

    تیرا عہدِ حکومت کیا ہی مبارک ہے کہ آسمان سے خدا کا ہاتھ تیرے مقاصد کی تائید کر رہا ہے۔ تیری ہمدردیء رعایا اور نیک نیتی کی راہوں کو فرشتے صاف کر رہے ہیں۔

    Your regime is extremely blessed that hand of God is helping your objectives from the heaven. Angels are paving/cleaning the ways of your compassion for peasants and sincerity.
    Sitara-e-Qaisaria page 119

    (Hazrat Queen)
    میں حضرت ملکہ معظمہ کی رعایا میں سے پنجاب کے ایک معزز خاندان میں سے ایک شخص ہوں جو میرزا غلام احمد قادیانی کے نام سے مشہور ہوں۔
    I am a person from a respectable family of Punjab from the peasants of HAZRAT Grand QUeen who is known by the name of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani.
    Tauhfa-e-Qaisaria page 256

    میرے خیال میں یہ بھی گزرتا ہے کہ اس سے پہلے اس ملک کی فارغ البالی اور دولتمندی اسکی روحانی ترقی کی بہت مانع تھی اور ہرایک مال اور دولت رکھنے والا عیاشی اور آرام پسندی کی طرف اعتدال سے زیادہ جھک گیا تھا۔ اگر ہندوستان کی وہی صورت رہتی تو آج شاید اسؔ ملک کے رہنے والے وحشیوں سے بھی بدتر ہوتے۔ یہ اچھا ہوا کہ بہ سبب احسن تدبیر گورنمنٹ برطانیہ کے اس ملک کے اسباب تنعم و آرام طلبی کچھ مختصر کئے گئے تا لوگ فنون اور علوم کی طرف متوجہ ہوں اور روحانی ترقیات کا بھی دروازہ کھلے اور نفسانی جذبات کے وسائل کم ہو جائیں۔ سو یہ سب کچھ عہد سعادت مہد ملکہ معظمہ قیصرہ ہند میں ظہور میں آیا۔
    I also think that earlier the self sufficiency and riches of this country were hindering its spiritual uplift. Every rich and wealthy person was too much inclined towards luxury and easy life style. It was good that due to appropriate actions of British Government in this country the means of blessings and luxury are somewhat shortened so that people can focus on knowledge and professionalism and the door to spiritual uplift can also open and means for sensual desires can be reduced. This all happened in the blessed regime of Great Queen Empress of India.
    Tauhfa-e-Qaisaria page 269

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