Dealing with the Modern Crisis: Islam vs Ahmadiyya

بسم الله الحمد لله و صلاة و سلم على رسول الله و على آله و سلم

The morality preached by both Muslims and Ahmadis is generally the same. Both communities are affected by a pervasive, attractive and in many ways deeply negative culture that tends to leads them away from the noble teachings that they are imbued with.

The result is an entire generation of youth who, even if their identity as Muslim or Ahmadi, still engage in the harmful and sinful behaviors of their larger cultural context. The leadership of these respective communities feel obligated to call their youth back.

Here are their approaches:

The Official Ahmadiyya Approach

  1. Mirza Masroor threatening to “kick out” young women who find it difficult to cover: Video available here. And if you “challenge” him, you’re a hypocrite.
  2. Spying and gossip about wayward youth (Leaked reports here)
  3. Public humiliations and ex-communications for people who engage in sinful behavior, justified in Tariq Magazine (Full Transcript here)
  4. Ban Facebook: The exact statement is “The practice of making and maintaining individual facebook pages/accounts is not permitted.”
  5. “Desi Uncle knows best” immaturity to modern problems.

The General Muslim Approach

Ustadh Nouman Ali Khan gives a wonderful presentation where he illustrates the Crisis of Faith and Confidence affecting the Muslim community. I’ll be honest, he’s brutal. If you’re an Ahmadi looking to bash Muslim communities, you’ll find plenty of fodder here.

But listen to the maturity and the depth of thought this one Muslim presents that puts Mirza Masroor’s lack of intellectualism to shame. For example, regarding Ahmadiyya’s “Ban Facebook” approach, Khan argues that Facebook is not the problem, it is merely a symptom of a larger problem. By simply banning Facebook, you will merely create an “Everything is haraam” mentality.

Instead, his solutions are:

  • Create A Culture Around Strong Friendship
  • Create an Open Forum
  • Internalization, Then Islamic Knowledge
  • Psychological Crisis Among Older Youth
  • Studying Islam in Secular Universities
  • Equipping Our Youth to Leave Being Defensive

The full talk is available here:The transcript is available here (Thanks MuslimMatters!)

And this is just one example, other organizations, institutions and individuals are rising to the challenge to address these problems.


Both the Muslim and the Ahmadiyya communities are facing the same crisis. One of them addresses it by ex-communications, public humiliations, spying, banning Facebook, and the “Holier than Thou” approach. The other deals with the root problems and posits positive, constructive solutions, and calls back wayward Muslims.

Which do you believe in?

و صلى الله على سيدنا محمد و على آله محمد

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26 thoughts on “Dealing with the Modern Crisis: Islam vs Ahmadiyya

  1. I find the “kick you out if you don’t do pardah” approach exceedingly immature and very mullah’ish. I agree, its a law of Allah, no one should deny that. But, his approach to non-compliance is expulsion?

    Aisha (RA) said if the first things in Islam were prohibiting Alcohol and Zinnah, they would have continued in it. But instead, the first verses of the Qur’an were about Jannah and Jahannum, until the hearts became attached.

    We should connect our hearts to Allah and love for the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم. Then people will want to observe the laws of Islam, even if you don’t enforce it.

    And, calling people “hypocrites” just for QUESTIONING him because that’s somehow a challenge to his authority? That’s the height of backwards negative religiosity.

    • This is straight up cult stuff!!!!!!!

      As if…… the majority of Ahmadi girls in the west observe purdah. Masroor is soooo naive!!! Newsflash….This isnt Rabwah bruh bruh!!!! I estimate that in 20 years, this next generation of Ahmadis is gonna totally blow of a Khalifa who cant give a speech without having it written in front of him. It is soooo cultish to warn adherents, this keeps them scared and paying chanda. Mormons do the same thing!!!!!!

      Noman is awesome!!!!!!! I never saw an Ahmadi like that. Ahmadiyyat is pretty much administered by Pakistanis who hate their own life and have given it to the Mirza family as a form of Pirdom. They will do anything for their Pir. As if someone needs an Imam to find allah. What the heck!!

  2. I am unclear as to what is going on here by the Ahmediyya religion?

    Is the Ahmediyya removing these people from their group completely (i.e. no return, ever?), or is this a temporary punishment – i.e. a time for those to reflect and then return to what is being asked of them?

    • Its a scare tactic. I estimate that 90% of Ahmadi girls in Germany, the UK, Canada and the USA do not observe any form of purdah. Its only the daughters of missionaries who do so. And…they are slowly drifiting away from Ahmadiyyat.

      Masroor is sooo “1950” it isnt even funny!!!!!!!! He is not willing to change with the times!!!

  3. Because if this is a type of punishment – a time given for the members to reflect on their mistakes/sins and have to feel the pressure of it by being removed from the group – then this is something Allah (swt) used and the prophet (saw) used and the Sahaba (ra) used – and the scholars have much discussion regarding it especially with the people of innovation (Alhe Al-Bidah) – but it must be underlined that is not something alien to Islam and is mentioned in the Qur’an

    Further – and I must add ironically, when you have a community which has some form of leadership (like the Ahmediyya cult kind of does) – and a general following of that one leader – it is something that is far easier to implement and will more likely work then when that system doesnt exist.
    The reasons that the Muslims cannot use this is that we have no general leader – but many of the khuafaa have used this technique before (banishment) – and it is also part of some of the Hadd punishments (for the highway robber, the adulter etc…)

    And Allah (swt) knows best

  4. Thank you for this article, so true there is a big difference in which Masroor Ahmad makes his sermons and Ustadh Nouman Ali Khan.

    Ustadh Nouman Ali Khan is excellent for the Muslim youth of today and extremely inspiring.

  5. Give me your money and you will feel better and your life will improve
    standard bogus fraud scam language
    and you can hear it coming out from the mouth of the chief crook of the cult

  6. Masroor has nothing to worry about….hopefully, Ahmadi youth in the west will wakeup and realize that this is a family business.

    I hope Ahmadis girls take his advice and leave this cult. Anything is better than his type of leadership.

    Meanwhile, their Lahori cousins have allowed lenency in their purdah….

    Furthermore, Hazrat Khadija passed away before the ayats on purdah were revealed. Also, Muhammad (saw) worked for her for many years, thus proving that men and women can work together respectably. The Ahmadi notions on purda are stuck in the culture of 100 years ago.

  7. oh now i get it that you don’t wanna cover yourself and be like “goriyaan” … if you don’t wanna be part of a certain belief system then don’t… just leave and be who you want to be… why create such a fuss about it??? Go clubbing, put loads of make-up on, drink alcohol and do drugs, do as you please but stop using a section of people to cover up those “wishes”… You want an easy way out of your islamic responsibilities which are TOLD IN QURAAN by ALLAH HIMSELF, so by bringing down a certain sect by giving lame examples cuz they agree to Quraan completely and not in Mullahs and their reformations… COME ON… no one is that blind… You don’t agree with what your parents believe then LEAVE and start your own life instead of doing all this drama, no one with a tiny bit brain believes what you are doing here… its your ANGER thats made you so blind…

    • Wow…just wow…

      The above comment was the most exceedingly arrogant thing I’ve heard in a long long time. No one is saying alcohol and zinnah are good. No one is saying we should not prohibit the two. But if people have fallen into these sins, the approach isn’t “kick ’em out!!”, its to help them, counsel them, be a good influence, help them reform. Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.

      One of the hardest parts about getting over a sin is the social stigma that comes with it. Desi culture is excessively gossipy and they like to mark you for life. One can socially pay for a mistake you made 10 years ago! The Ahmadiyya approach is to formally publicly humiliate people from the high tower of Ahmadiyya, thus making it harder for people to get out of their mistakes.

      I don’t care how big Masroor’s beard is, that’s wrong wrong wrong.
      (besides, my beard is longer and cooler)

      • Islam:
        قُلْ يَا عِبَادِيَ الَّذِينَ أَسْرَفُوا عَلَىٰ أَنفُسِهِمْ لَا تَقْنَطُوا مِن رَّحْمَةِ اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَغْفِرُ الذُّنُوبَ جَمِيعًا ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ
        Say, “O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.”
        – Surah Zumar, Verse 53

        Kick ’em out!

      • Sarah wrote the above because this is how Ahmadiyyat is!!! The “A” is very conceited. These are the grandsons and granddaughters of very successful and influential people who lived during the reign of the British govt. in the Punjaaab. In 1947 they received a dis-proportionate amount of govt and civil jobs. They were the elite Muslims of Pakistan, and they were very liberal back then. Ignorant and poor people didnt really fit and were scolded regularly.

        I always wondered why I never fit in with the people of the “A”. I grew up very poor and “un-educated”, I was subsequently shunned and treated unfairly. The “A” consisted of successful people who were highly educated. To them, I was dumb, deaf and blind.

  8. So, this random girl emailed me asking me a very odd question, if it was okay for a divorcee to marry a non-divorcee. I generally don’t answer such questions, but that’s easy enough. In her next email she went on to explain that she was forced into a marriage at 16, had a child at 18, and divorced by 20. Her family essentially abandoned her, talked down to her, and blamed her for the divorce, even though the guy was physically abusive.

    After years of being alone, feeling humiliated, working a dead-end job and depression, she found an escape: A guy. He was a sweet-talker and one thing led to another, they started fooling around. This was not mutual, he was using her for sex. She knew it was a major sin, but it was an escapism from the day-to-day emotional pain of loneliness, depression and worthlessness. She wanted to be loved and this was her way out. Even the guy’s mom would speak bad about her, and the guy would say nothing in her defense.

    When I spoke to her, she kept putting herself down and how she has no value.

    This poor sister needs emotional support. She needs to be told she’s not worthless, that she has a way out, that she’s a good person at heart, that Allah loves her and can forgive all of her past mistakes, that this guy was not good for her, and that she can live a better life. Alhumdu lillah, she’s doing a lot better now.

    The Ahmadiyya Approach:
    Public humiliations and public ex-communication

    • Public humiliations and public ex-communication will probably apply to this girl if she is an ahmadi!

      Brother Fahan if this girl would like any moral support I am willing to help where I can, you can pass it on to her.

    • This happened to my wife. We are going through this right now. My wife’s situation is more compunded by the face that her ex-husband is her cousin as well. The amount of issues she has and we are going through because of this, is unreal… and shes been divorced from him for about 10 years. We even seriously think that someone put nazr on us, but thats another story.

      At the end of the day, this desi stuff is wild. If the sister needs someone to talk to, let me know Farhan and I can let my wife know.

      p.s. in case you haven’t caught on, I’m the white guy named Basil

  9. In west majority Ahmadi girls dress up like normal girls (frm east) dress up there.
    so Masroor is living on some other planet it seems

  10. In conclusion, I would like to refer to a book written by Muhammad Elyas Burney in 1955 as he tangled with the Ahmadi hierarchy:

    “Let it be noted that Qadianism is not the first movement of its kind, arrogating prophethood for its founder, with the natural consequence to split up Islam. There have been several such movements before, some of them more elevated, morally and intellectually, than Qadianism, but they all passed away like floods, leaving landmarks in the history of Islam”

  11. Asalamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullah:

    Dear Brother Farhan, Shahid, and Waqar:

    I follow this blog regularly, as we have a large Ahmadiyyah – Qadiani temple here in Calgary, AB, Canada. Firstly, JazakAllah Khair to every contributer of this blog. Allah grant you all ikhlas, sincerity, and raise your ranks on day of judgement for refuting falsehood. I hope to see your efforts recognized by more Qadianis. Having said that, I do have three pieces of advice from your younger and less-knowledgeable brother if you don’t mind. Because I want to ensure that these works benefit both ignorant Sunni Muslims who are being attacked and questioned by Qadiani’s and Qadiani’s in an identity crisis, who are soul searching after they are starting to realize their cult has cracks. My three pieces of advice are:

    1) Mirror this site to another domain name, such as: Why? Because imagine I meet a Qadiani randomly, and I do, what do I tell them? Please visit this site called “” – that would totally put them off immediately. The content on your site and blog is phenomenal, and you should keep this domain name, but mirror it to one that Qadiani’s are more likely to visit and more curious to know about.

    2) Compose a book, with the intention to have it published. Find a publisher through this list: You have so much info on this site, I would hate to see it go to waste. What needs to happen, is someone needs to sit down, organize it, revise it, add the best examples and analogies, and then have it approved by local Imams from the Gulf, Subcontinent, and North Africa. I think any Imam who knows about the Qadianis and their big satelite channels would really appreciate the work you guys are going.

    3) Don’t be afraid to get more into Multimedia. I love to watch videos, and I think more people are just likely to be reached by videos. So think of putting something together on YouTube with graphics and all that.

    4) Keep your intentions sincere, and don’t ever stop asking Allah to grant you ikhlaas and to benefit your dawah and to see the fruits of it in this life and the next.

    I think keep going brothers. Obviously, I said a lot, and it won’t be easy to do, but perhaps you have a network now, since this has been going over the years, in which you have some human resources. If you don’t take any suggestions, I’m still happy that you’ve gone this far, and sad that I can’t contribute more 🙂

    Your brother in Islam

    • Yes these are good ideas

      I hope brother Shahid, Farhan Hussain will think about these idea

      specially another domain name and PDF of articles

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