بسم الله الحمد لله و صلاة و سلام على محمد و على آله و سلم
Incident #1
In Surah al-’Araaf verse 143, Musa عليه السلام asks to see Allah. Allah says, “You will never (لن) [be able to] see me”. Then the light of Allah shone upon a mountain which crumbled to dust. That alone caused Musa عليه السلام to faint. Allah cannot be seen.
Incident #2
Once, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani was traveling from one city to another when, to his amazement, the heavens opened up and a figure appeared sky. The figure said, “O ‘Abd al-Qadir! I am God. Because of your devotion to me, I removed the burden of prayer to me from you!”
Did Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qadir rejoice? Was he happy? No, he said to the figure, “Shut up you enemy of Allah!”The figure then turned black and the voice said “O ‘Abd al-Qadir, I have led astray 30 mystics before you with this same trick, but on account of your intellect, I was not able to lead you astray.” Upon which, the Shaykh replied, “It was the favor of Allah that saved me!” He attributed his success to Allah, not himself. The figure fizzled away.
Allah is not a human being who has a physical form. So when the figure appeared before him claiming to be God, Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qadir knew it was not Allah.
Incident #3
The same trick was done to Paul on the Way to Damascus. He used to persecute the original followers of ‘Esa bin Maryam عليه السلام. One day he had a vision where God appeared before him. He fell victim to the trick and this eventually led to the distortion of Christianity as we know it today.
To this day, Paul’s version of Christianity has led millions astray.
Incident #4
The same trick also happened to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who wrote,
I saw God Almighty personified as a human being in a vision. He put His arm round my neck and said (Punjabi): If you will be devoted to Me, the whole world will be yours.
According to Mirza Ghulam, God has in human form and offered him Dunya, not Akhirah. The reference was taken from Tadhkirah, page 609 (page 571 in the hardcopy).
Where do you stand amongst the Four?
Whose example do you want to follow? Prophet Musa عليه السلام and Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qadir, who knew that Allah cannot be seen, or the Christian Saint Paul and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who both fell victim to the same trick?
Think about it. May Allah guide us all to what is true.
و صلى الله على محمد و على آله و سلم تسليما
Its worth mentioning: The only time Allah will be seen is in Jannah.
Its written in ‘Aqidah al-Tahawiyya:
والرؤية حق لأهل الجنة بغير إحاطة ولا كيفية كما نطق به كتاب ربنا
“The Seeing of Allah by the People of the Garden is true, without their vision being all-encompassing and without the manner of their vision being known.”
But, this type of seeing is not physical, nor do we know in what form it takes place.
Beauty!!
Jazak’Allahu khair
Thank you for that Brother Farhan.
Awesome work AKHI!!!
Excellent post
Bravo. Killer post.
A reply:
http://rahehuda.mta.tv/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=3250&Itemid=107
Copy from the site:
“Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their grandeur. And he said to him, “I will give you all these things if you throw yourself to the ground and worship me.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go away, Satan! ” ( Matth 4:8-10)
The reply didn’t really answer the question.
Interesting trickery you have employed against our faith. Seeing God personified in dreams does not necessarily mean it is Satan. I suggest reading a book on the science of interpretation of dreams and visions.
Your examples are fallacies. Hadhrat Musa (as) asked to see God physically. The Promised Messiah (as) reports seeing Him (personified) in a vision. Hence, you are fooling others with an unrelated and incomparable example.
Hadhrat Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jailani (rh) only rejected Satan’s suggestion because he was being told to do something that even the Holy Prophet (sa) was never allowed to do, that is, give up the offering of prayers. But do you know what other things Hadhrat Shaikh Abdul Qadir (rh) said for which he was persecuted? If you knew, maybe you wouldn’t even consider him a Muslim according to your dogma.
Nevertheless, both your examples are unrelated to the case of the Promised Messiah (as).
Looking for that hole out, eh?
Tell me, ya SultanulQalam, in this alleged vision he claimed he had, was God big? Was he small? What did he look like? Was he a male or female? No matter what you say, its blasphemous, as God is not a human being who can be personified and described in physical terms.
Reflect on the last ayah of Surah Ikhlas, “Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” (http://quran.com/112). Further reflect on the ayah “laysa kamithlihi shayy” (There is nothing like him [God]). Then recognize that Mirza Ghulam was ascribing human likeness to God.
And the Messiah is and only is ‘Esa bin Maryam عليه السلام. This is what Allah says in the Qur’an.
…or in Ahmadiyya do they believe otherwise?
Like I said earlier, pick up a book on the science of interpretation of dreams… written by MUSLIM saints. The Promised Messiah (as) did not ascribe human likeness to Allah just because of “seeing” Him in a VISION, just as the Holy Prophet (sa) did not ascribe human likeness to Allah because he “HEARD” Him speak to him.
And the Messiah you are waiting for is dead and that’s what the Qur’an says.
… or do you believe otherwise? Do you reject the Qur’an?
That response would make sense if Mirza’s exact quote wasn’t:
“I saw God Almighty personified as a human being in a vision”
A) Personified
B) As a human being
No amount of contextualization will free Ahmadiyya from this problem. Your only option is to reject this statement.
Secondly, I love how you jumped to “Jesus is dead”. I didn’t say he was alive or dead. I said the Messiah is ‘Esa bin Maryam عليه السلام, him and only him. When you say “Messiah”, you do not referring to someone other than whom the Qur’an calls the Messiah. The Messiah is, and only is, ‘Esa bin Maryam عليه السلام. Even if you believe he died in India at the age of 120 after a journey through the orient and is buried in Kashmir, that doesn’t change that he was the Messiah.
The only way you can overcome this second problem is if you can show me a verse that says Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the Messiah. I can do the opposite, just one example: http://quran.com/4/157:
“Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary”
Accept it: Mirza Ghulam fell victim to the same trick as St. Paul and the same trick attempted against Abd al-Qadir. Leave Ahmadiyya for traditional Islam and set the example.
Farhan, fairness or argument has escaped you in this post. A simple response would be sufficient and no surprises SultanulQalam has already stated what most logical readers would think straight away, Ahmadi or not.
If I were to show a statement of Mirza Ghulam saying the sky is green, SultanulQalam would find some way to justify it, probably by saying its a metaphor.
So I don’t doubt his ability to perform logical gymnastics. But do free-thinking Ahmadis agree?
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(I’ll ignore the personal attack
If I were to show you a statement of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) saying the sky is green, you would find some way to justify it. So would I. That is because (I hope) we both realise that the wisdom of Allah’s prophet is greater than our own. Call it ‘circular argument’ as you love to, but that’s what people do when they believe in a source as genuine.
I had no intention to ‘attack’ the man personally, only his actions. (smiley face)
That’s exactly the point! Muslims don’t have the problem Ahmadis do because the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم never said silly things. But you also believe in him and he’s not in question. We’re questioning Mirza to begin with.
Otherwise, its like you’re saying no matter what he said, you’d believe in him. Even if he said 2 + 2 = 5, and you would justify it, like changing someone’s mind for Big Brother in 1984. We’re your Emmanuel Goldstein.
Either way, it appears from this analysis that Mirza fell victim to the same trick and, just like “Saint” Paul, led his followers astray.
The psychology of “the-Ahmadi” is now on display for the world to see.
@ sultanulqalam
If a claimant to prophethood has soooo many questions about his character. He’s most probably false. I come from that good ol’ punjabbee family. I was also trained to believe that all Mirza’s were divine. Hopefully, Allah will show you the light.
Brother Farhan, this is one of your best posts yet, masha’Allah.
Ahmadiyya is about dreams, visions and a deep-rooted inferiority complex relating to Isa (as) – how tiresome, how peripheral and how irrelevant to Islam!
Oh and never mind ascribing a likeness to God, to Mirza, God was a majestic Englishman, towering over him. If that doesn’t tell you something about his motives to make his community conveniently subservient to his beloved British Raj, nothing will.
Whole ahmadia belief is standing upon metaphor, dreams, visions
so think ahmadis
No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things. Quran; 6:103
To All the guidance seekers please do justice to yourselves, you’re only deceiving yourselves. This is the Allah (swt) telling you Himself that NO vision be it whatever can see Him! May Allah make truth clear from falsehood and guide us to His path. Ameen. JazakAllah.
Good post brother! May Allah reward you for this. Ameen.
P.s. “Truth exists, only falsehood has to be invented.” – [Georges Braque]
Mirza Ghulam said that it was not god. Rather it was his attributes which took human form. http://www.alislam.org/library/browse/book/The_Essence_of_Islam/?p=2#page/35/mode/1up
I recall that in a vision I saw that I had drawn up with my own hand certain Divine decrees which related to the future and then presented the paper to God Almighty, the Omnipotent, the Glorious, for His signature. (It should be borne in mind that it often happens in visions and true dreams that some Divine attributes of beauty or glory appear in human form to the person seeing the vision and he imagines the form to be God Almighty. This experience is well known to those who are favoured with visions and cannot be denied). In short, I presented that book to that personification of beauty, which appeared as God Almighty, the Omnipotent, the Incomparable and the Unfathomable, in the state of my vision. On my presenting that document, God Almighty, Who appeared in the form of a ruler, dipped His pen in red ink and sprinkled it in my direction and with the ink that remained at the point of the pen He signed the document. Thereupon the vision came to an end and when I opened my eyes I saw several drops of red ink fall on my clothes and two or three of them fell on the cap of one ‘Abdullah of Sannaur who was sitting near me at the time.
Weird.