Confessions of a Cult Girl

بسم الله الحمد لله و صلاة و سلام على رسول الله و على آله و سلم

Looks like we’ve generated a spin-off site! For those who don’t know, Sr. “Findings”, a Muslimah-revert born into an Ahmadi family, has been leaking damning insider-information about the Ahmadiyya internal behavior. Many of these are reports that even the common Ahmadi is not aware of. They speak of abuses, lies, anti-Muslim attitudes and cult-like behavior.

The website is: http://cultgirlconfessions.blogspot.com/.

Here is an except from her blog (and yes, the text was in pink):

So in short, I am a Paki Ahmadi (Qadiani/Mirzai) by birth and reverted to Islam a few years back (by the grace of the Almighty) but this isn’t your average revert story. I am not open and out there and there’s a simple reason for that: I was born into a CULT and so, my journey ain’t an ordinary one! I can’t leave the Cult just yet because quite frankly, I have nowhere to go (pull out the violin bruv..let’s all go busking!!) It would be just too painful and too awkward to live with my family as an out and proud revert, and all the while, writing out against the Jamaat too. Also if I came out now, I would lose my connection to the Cult and all my inside info would go with it! So I’m biding my time, waiting in the bushes, waiting to jump out and go SURPRISE I am a MUSLIM and have joined the Non Ahmadi Team! Lol! No No, on a serious level, I’m hoping to escape one day and in a civilised fashion (maybe marry a millionaire or run away with the circus or something..though this Cult I am in is one big freak show of a circus..lol).

A quick note on secret Muslims:

In the battle of Khandaq (The Trench), the Muslims in Madinah were under siege by Quraysh and betrayed by Banu Quraydha, one of the main Jewish tribes in Madinah that was in an alliance with the Muslims. After a month’s siege with little food and overwhelming odds, the Muslims were in a desperate state. In that moment, Nu’aym ibn Mas’ud رضى الله عنه, a man respected by both Banu Quraydha and the Quraysh, accepted Islam. The Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم knew that one additional soldier could not do much, so he ordered Nu’aym back to his people under the guise that he was not a Muslim.

Nu’aym created a plan: He went to the Quraysh and tricked them into thinking that Banu Quraydha regretted their betrayal of the Muslims and were planning on executing 10 of Quraysh’s best men as a sign of renewed loyalty. He simultaneously persuaded Banu Quraydha that the Quraysh had grown tired of this month-long siege and would go back to Makkah, thus leaving Banu Quraydha to fend for themselves. To guarantee the maintenance of the alliance, Nu’aym suggested that Banu Quraydha should demand 10 of Quraysh’s best men as hostages, to be executed should Quraysh flee from the battle.

Banu Quraysha demanded the 10 men, and Quraysh refused to hand them over.

The trick worked, and the alliance between Quraysh and Banu Quraydha dissolved. This gave the Muslims the ability to defeat the now divided army of the Ahzab. Lesson learned: One Muslim on the inside can bring great benefit to the Muslims.

Check out her site! http://cultgirlconfessions.blogspot.com/

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35 thoughts on “Confessions of a Cult Girl

  1. Mashaallla! We are growing! This is my crowd, the 30 and under Ahmadis who have had enough. They take 80% of your money, want you to do manual labor at their behest and don’t care if you lose your job.

  2. well well, now many can see how a joke thecult.info is becoming I posted a response to this article by Farhan and you guys would not allow it. cant you guys see many young Ahmadi’s are now laughing at this site. due to not allowing comments by Ahmadi’Muslims that when someone does not allow that a sign of being a cult.

    Umar

      • can’t you read!!!

        ” I posted a response to this article by Farhan and you guys would not allow it. not many exposing the truth about the real ” thecult.info” which is its self a cult.

        Umar

        if you can read go to spec savers

        • Umer

          I wanted to ask you (and I know its slightly off topic – so I apoliogise to the blog team) – but does the idea of sanad/isnad exist within Ahmediyya in the sense of having Ijaaza’s in Quran recitation (that go back to the prophet (saw)), or even studying books of older/classical scholars with the chain going back to the author like the books of hadith, or books of Aqeeda?

          • indeed we study the classical scholars. I have personaly studied them ( as I graduated in Islamic and Christian Theology. And all Murrabis also study them. all that you mentioned is studied by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat

            Umar

        • I didnt mean study of the texts – this is something that can be done in even non-muslim universities, where anyone has access to Quran, hadith, sharuh of hadith, tafsir etc…

          What I was asking if there are isnaad/ijaaza’s connecting you back to either the founders of the science, or authors of certain books – and of course, the ijaaza systems that go back to the prophet (saw) in recital of Quran.
          Is this something that Ahmediyya still have embedded in their teaching system?

          • If it is possible – inshaAllah, would you be able to provide me with a sanad, for example from someone you know who has his chain going back to the prophet (saw) in Quran (Qiraa’at) and possibly for hadith that leads to one of the main 6 books (or even the other books of hadith).
            I am not really worried about what institution – I was just wondering about the actual chain of narration that is connecting them to the prophet (saw).
            Much appreciated

    • Umar you have never replied to any comments I have made on this site about the end of prophethood and you ignore the clear refutations by the creators of this site about your weak arguments. You pick and choose ahadith and ayah that suit you, ignoring and denying others. Not all my comments have been allowed on this site either and Im a muslim not Ahmadi. I havent met a single Ahmadi who can refute the claims made by the great scholars of the past that are re iterated here in regards to the finality of prophethood. The case is an open and shut case, to keep repeating the same arguments (khatam nabiyeen, there is no prophet after me) without a refutation proves my point. Due to this site people are leaving Ahmadiyya and entering Islam in great numbers alhamdulilaah. May Allah guide us all.

      • Abu Eemaan

        I have read many of your basless arguments and if I have not answered your points it is becuase others have effectively!
        please bear in mind I did not come into Islam through the Ahmadiyya Jamaat! I have seen all the argument s with regards to Khatam nabiyyen, and sat with many Imams from various places many Arab lands my Arabic teacher was not an Ahmadi Muslim he was from Iraq and others from Jordan and palestine so I know the Kalami of Arabic and therefore I know in which way khatam is used,

        with regards to greatscholars the greatest teacher of the Holy Qur’an was the Holy Prophet (saw) and has made it clear about a nabi coming after him who will be his follower and he will spread Islam in the latter days. I dont pick a choose ayas or Hadith that suit me! I choose to prove it! something you have failed to do on this site!.

        with regards to this site well I know many whose Iman has been re-enforced by watching the discussions and have been showen how Ahmadiyyat is true Islam.

        many leaving Ahmadiyya in graet number lol please suppy the names of those with proof that they were Ahmadi’s, the christians use this spin that millions of Muslims are leaving Islam and becoming christian lol all hot air both from and you

        so please show me where it say no Prophet can come and I will show were it says a prophet will come who will a follower Prophet. all according to Qur’an and hadith and from the scholars of Islam all non Ahmadi.

        Umar

        • How do you refute the hadith where the prophet (saw) says (and I am paraphrasing – but I know that you and everyone else on the site is aware of the hadiths) there will be numerous liars in my ummah to come but I am the seal of the prophets (khatim an-nabiyeen), there is no prophet after me

        • @Umar its interesting that after all your rhetoric above you still havent produced a single explicit ayah or ahadith that mentions another prophet will arise. Not only that but you havent been able to refute a single point I have made. I rest my case.

      • “And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger (The Holy Prophet Muhammad pbuh) shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings – the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And an excellent company are they.” (An-Nisa 4:70).

        “O children of Adam, if Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing My Signs unto you, then whoso shall fear God and do good deeds, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve.” (Al A’raf 7:36).

        These two revelations of The Holy Quran refute the claims made by the great scholars of the past in regards to the finality of prophethood.

        Wassalam,
        Love for All, Hatred for None

        • @ Muhammad Ahmad

          I used to know an Ahmadi named Muhammad Ahmad. Very interesting….would you like to engage in further discussion? What about context? Do you care about the context of these verses?

          Take off the Ahmadi-blinders. The world will open for you.

          • The founder of Ahmadiyya Moslem Jemaat, HMG Ahmad (Imam Mahdi/Masih Mau’ud) puh, in his writings, admitted that The Holy Prophet of Islam Muhammad pbuh is the last prophet and no law-bearing prophets will come after him.

            Being moslemeen, however we are tought by Allah to pray in the five-time obligatory shalat a day at least 17 times: “Guide us in the straight path. The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy favors,..” (Al Fatihah 1:6-7).

            There are uncounted and/or unlimited favors or blessings of Allah that He hast bestowed on us, on which we should be grateful (Ibrahim 14:8). However, the specific favors/blessings of God which all moslemeen seek and are tought for under the prayer of the above verse are the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous (An-Nisa 4:70). These specific blessings/favors are of course different from that He hast bestowed upon the previous people (i.e. Bani Israil): “And remember when Moses said to his people, ‘O my people, call to mind Allah’s favor upon you when He raised Prophets among you and made you Kings, and gave you what He gave not to any other among the peoples;” (Al Maidah 5:21).

            In An-Nisa 4:70 and Al A’raf 7:36, Allah expounded to us that His Messengers and/or Prophets are still to come and open for moslemeen who completely and perfectly obey Allah and His Messenger (The Holy Prophet Muhammad pbuh). The prophethood of which will be no different from that of The Holy Prophet Muhammad pbuh. These are the favors that Allah hast bestowed on HMG Ahmad (Imam Mahdi/Masih Mau’ud) puh of Qadian, India on which all moslemeen should be grateful (Ibrahim 14:8). By bestowing such favors to HMG Ahmad (Imam Mahdi/Masih Mau’ud) puh i.e. a non law-bearing prophet, the finality of prophethood of The Holy Prophet of Islam, Muhammad pbuh remains unchanged.

            Wassalam,
            Love for All, Hatred for None

        • Always interesting how Ahmadis interpret words and verb tenses.

          “And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger (The Holy Prophet Muhammad pbuh) shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings – the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And an excellent company are they.” (An-Nisa 4:70).

          You undoubtedly mean that this is proof of your stance on finality because you interpret this verse to be talking of the future, e.g.- “shall be” but you gloss over the explicit use of the phrase “on whom Allah has bestowed” which is referring to the past. Thus it only means we who obey God and the Prophet will be counted in the company of those righteous people, it doesn’t mean we will literally become them. If it did and you truly believed that verse means what you say it means then wouldn’t your Ahmadi khulifa and murrabis and dutiful obedient nizam members all be prophets too?

          Then you take a general statement made to the “children of Adam” which only seeks to make them question why they are rejecting a prophet, i.e. Muhammad saw Rasoolallah, through the use of a hypothetical and try to extrapolate that into a proof that the “ummah of Muhammad saw Rasoolallah” should be equally ready to accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmed when there are categorical, unambiguous statements of finality in Quran and Hadeeth.

          You Ahmadis are disgustingly deceitful. You deny truth, you pervert interpretations of Quran, you deny miracles of Isa all to glorify a deluded man who never stepped one foot in Mecca and you twist and bend standard rules of exegisis on their head. Read your burooz “prophet’s” Will for God’s sake! Your burooz “prophet” wrote those of you who do not take part in Wassiyat are hypocrites. He wrote those of you who question why members of his family do not have to fulfill the requirements of Wassiyat he laid out for the rest of you to be buried in his “bahishti” graveyard are hypocrites. He pronounced those of his own followers as munafiqeen if they dare question his regulations NOT found in the Quran. But you keep calling him the reflection of our one true Prophet?

          • @ Gizmo

            Niiiiiice!! Also, Muhammad (saw) didnt leave any inheritance to his daughter, nor was she exempt from any activity within Islam.

            Whereas the Mirza clan was exempt and recieved their fathers land and money through inheritance.

            Also, there is a famous hadith from Bukhari which explains this Quranic verse. The Ahmadis consider this hadith as fabricated. Interesting right?

          • Gizmo, mashAllah your response is more than sufficient and proves how redundant the arguments of Ahmadis are.

            Again I must point out these arguments are not EXPLICIT statements. Do Ahmadis know what explicit means? I suggest they use google to find out the definition of explicit.

            The statement ‘ I am the Last of the Prophets’ is an explicit statement, the meaning is apparent and clear(prophethood has ended) it does not need to be derived or implied.

            The statement ‘There is no prophet after me’ is again explicit, the meaning is apparent and no meaning needs to be derived or implied(implicit).

            From above, the Quran and ahadith explicitly prove that prophethood has ended and furthermore there is no explicit ayah or statement that another prophet will arise. The topic is CLEAR.

            The foundational beliefs of Islam are based on explicit verses. For Ahamdis to base their belief on bogus derived implicit interpretations is unislamic and inconsistent with the established approach to the Quran. Wth this method any person off the street could implicitly apply almost anything using the Quran. For Ahmadis to then also deny explicit ayahs about the end of prophethood shows the extent of their deceit.

        • Muhammad Ahmad, you said:
          “…admitted that The Holy Prophet of Islam Muhammad pbuh is the last prophet and no law-bearing prophets will come after him.”

          We all know – The prophet (saw) said in a hadith: “I am the seal of the prophets (khataam an-nabiyeen) and there is no prophet after me”
          ——
          Now we know that some prophets are law bringers, Allah (swt) calls them ‘Al-Rasul’ whereas a prophet who does not have a law with him (a sharia) is knows as An-Nabi. Some Anbiyaa are Rusul – like Musa (ra), Isa (ra), Ibraheem (ra)) and some are not elevated to Rasul – like Haroon (as), Yahyah (ra) etc…

          If the prophet (saw) had said I am khatum ar-rasul, perhaps you would have an argument (i.e. non law bringing prophet can come afterwards) – but he said he is the last of the prophets – thus, end of story – nothing can come after him with regards of prophethood.

          And Allah (swt) knows best

          • The Holy Qur’an indicates that Nabi and Rasul are the same as we can find it in the following verses:

            (1) “Mankind were one community, then they differed among themselves, so Allah raised Prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners, and sent down with them the Book containing the truth that He might judge between the people wherein they differed. (Al Baqarah 2:214).

            (2) “And how many a Prophet did We send among the earlier peoples!” (Az-Zukhruf 43:7).

            “Allah raised Prophets”, and “a Prophet did We send” under the above verses indicate that the Prophets are the Messengers of God, or Rasul is Nabi and Nabi is Rasul, no difference whatsoever.

            According to The Holy Qur’an, some Messengers of God are law-bearing Prophets, like Adam as, Noah as, Ibrahim as, Moses as and Muhammad saw, and some other Messengers of God, like Ismail as, Ishak as, Yakub as and all Messengers other then Moses as sent by God to Bani Israil are non-law-bearing Prophets. In addition, all Prophets / Messengers of God, from Adam as to Muhammad saw, are Independent Prophets (Mustaqil).

            After Muhammad saw, however, Allah promises and pleases to raise Non-Independent and Non-Law-Bearing Prophets from among those who believe and do good works as well as completely and perfectly obey Allah and The Holy Prophet of Islam, Muhammad saw (An-Nisa 4:70). The one and only example of the Non-Independent and Non-Law-Bearing Prophet is HMG Ahmad (The Imam Mahdi / Promised Messiah) as.

            Wassalam,
            Love for All, Hatred for None

          • If that is the case, then how can Allah (swt) say in the Qur’an:

            We have not sent before you a messenger (rasul) nor a prophet (nabi)… Surah 22:52

            If they are the same – that would be like Allah (swt) saying: we did not send before you a messenger nor a messenger (or a prophet nor a prophet)… Remember, the words of Allah (swt) are the best and most accurate.

            So it is clear that Allah has distinguished between them.
            All the prophets have a given status, chosen by Allah (swt), above that of normal men – but some of them, and Ibn Kathir (ra) says that the prophet (saw) said in a hadith that out of the 124,000 prophets, only 35 of them were rasul. That means that Allah (swt) sent only 35 Sharia’s – the rest of the prophets followed one of those Sharia.

            Other proofs: in Surah Anbiyaa, the verse where Allah (swt) says of Musa that he was a Ruslan Nabiyaa, but of his brother, he says, he was just a nabi.
            We know that Musa (as) was not simply a nabi, but he was a rusul as he was given the Taurah – however, his brother Harun (as) had to follow the law that was given to his brother, Musa (as) – therefore was not a Rasul

          • Before I forget to add – in reality, the largest problem with what Mirza Gullam said from an Islamic perspective was to say that the door of prophethood is still open – i.e. even after him, there might be many prophets.

            The prophet (saw) has said he was the last nabi – an argument that everyone has to accept, even the Ahmedies because there are so many hadith on the matter – however, to get around the issue is to say… well he actually meant non law bearing.

            But, a law bearing prophet is known as a Rasul – and the prophet (saw) did not say that he was the end of the rasul, rather he said he was the end of the prophets (nabiyeen) – which takes both law bearing and non law bearing into the equation.

            Yes, Allah (swt) very often uses the term nabi and rasul interexchangebly – but you will notice that He (swt) only does so for those who were given Sharia like Muhammad (saw), Ibraheem (as) Musa (as) etc…
            As for those who were not given laws, he never uses the word Rasul on them – rather they are always referred to nabi’s. Read through such surahs as Al-Anbiyaa, Mariyum and others where many of the stories of the prophets are gone through to see how precise Allah (swt) is when he labels prophets/messengers

            Allah (swt) always knows best in these matters

    • Umar,

      Honestly, the way I see, majority of the Ahmadiyya group has become a joke, and this web site along with many others are trying to help innocent Ahmadis to realize and come back to Islam.

      I am not surprised when you say, “cant you guys see many young Ahmadi’s are now laughing at this site. due to not allowing comments by Ahmadi’Muslims that when someone does not allow that a sign of being a cult.”

      I had an Ahmadi colleague at work, who used to do the same……first he would throw some futile subject and argue with me on some very very silly points, based on Mirza Ghulam Ahmads teachings, and then when I mentioned that this is not the teaching of Islam or even based on any common sense, he would have no answer but to laugh ……in a taunting way, without any reason!

      After sometime, I learned that this individual, with whom I used to be very nice and friendly, was backstabbing me all the time when he associated with other non-Muslims.

      For the sake of confidentiality, I am not going to reveal the identity of this person, but basically this was my first experience with an Ahmadiyya person.

      Also, not everything can be allowed on this website, even not all my comments are allowed, but I do not laugh at them. At least they are allowing you to post comments here freely.

  3. Umar is lying! There’s no such thing as Science of Hadith or any consistent science to determine the authenticity of hadiths in the Ahmadiyya cult. All they do is put a hadith on the test of Mirza Ghulam and if it is according to what Mirza said, they would say it’s an authentic hadith. So instead of determining the messiah on the basis of hadiths and by putting that person on the tests prophecised by hadiths, they determine hadiths on the basis of what a false messiah claimant said! Don’t believe me? most of hadiths quoted by Ahmadiyya are fabricated ones. Not that orthodox Muslims consider those hadiths fabricated because of Mirza, but because those hadiths are always regarded as fabricated even by the classic jurists.

    • I suggest you study the Science of Hadith you obviously have no knowledge of Ahadith all Ahadith we use are authentic and backed up by the Salaf

      Umar

      • But I do and he’s absolutely correct. Mirza Ghulam used known-fabrications. And no, they weren’t just marked as “fabricated” because they support Ahmadiyya, they were known to be fake-hadith hundreds of years before.

        The stated hadith principle of Ahmadiyya is “If it disagrees with the Qur’an, we reject it. What that really means is if it conforms to our Ahmadiyya-specific understanding of the Qur’an, then we believe in it.

        Many many ahadith are rejected by Ahmadiyya because they don’t conform to the Ahmadiyya-specific interpretation of the Qur’an, and many ahadith are accepted because they do conform – irrespective of their actual authenticity by the muhaddithoon.

  4. Umar, trust me, “young Ahmadis” laughing at this site, doesn’t make a solid argument that what is being said here on this site is not true. It’s YOU who will be judged by YOUR deeds in the hereafter. No one could get away by saying that I didn’t trust a source because young ahmadis were laughing at it. Trust me, it all requires opening of eyes and heart to see the truth! Open your heart for once at least and surely guidance is from Allah alone.

  5. having an online argument is not good as it will end to nothing –
    If u guys are worried about ur belief or think that ahmadiyyat is teaching something wrong go to a mosque and tell them that u want to argue with someone about islam in peace …
    Talking in person and with the knowledge is far better as we can see the other comments- some are ignored and just a point of a whole comment is taken out and put against that person – hence lead to nothing
    thats y i will jsut introduce myself and tell u y im an ahmadi and not muslim
    Im a young ahmadi born as an ahmadi. i have read through lots of sites of ahmadiyya muslims to exactly know what i believe in and also read other muslims pages to see wats difference
    the thing ahmadiyya muslims believe in, does make common sense and they act like proper muslims- they act like muslims as they should (i am talking about the majority of believers)
    once you guys come to argue with an ahmadi we can give u evidence to any questions u have
    ahmadiyyat gives a better insight of the religion islam than other muslim sects
    just the believe that someone will come down from the sky (flying) doesnt sound like it will happen here on earth. i believe that in every believe there is a scientific evidence or something like common sense behind it.
    another reason why i wouldnt change my believe to other muslim sects is because the way they act and the thing they say is too different . e.g.the prophet was against violence.. unfortunately people claiming that they are muslims are killing or attacking ahmadis or calling us bad names. Im sorry but this is no islam in my point of view and not the teachings of our beloved Holy Prophet Hazrat Mohammad (saw). And you guys claim that you just do and act what so called is Sunnah?
    I have other muslim friends and i know that not every muslim is bad. In fact i know that even some of them pray daily and do lots of scrifices as being a muslim.

    It also studied in my private time about christianity because i obviously dont want to believe in something wrong but christianity and islam are about the same. they believe in “we think” and “it might”
    whearase ahmadi muslims have evidence in their statements. the Holy Quran is far better explained. recently i asked by some jehova witness about what i believe about the Prophet Hazrat Adam (as) and the explanation on the site of ahmadiyya muslims helped me more with the research than other muslims sites because i wouldnt want to believe that it was really a tree they touched or ate

    I will pray for you, please pray for me
    i hope we will walk the right path and that we will be touching the rope of the right religion

    • KL I routinely have meetings face to face with Ahmadis and I agree it is better to have them than online discussions. The problem with online discussions is the lack of a personal touch, and often people misunderstand the tone.

      Kl if you are sincere, rather than read Ahmadiyya literature read the works of classical scholars such as Ibn Katheer, Imaam Ghazali etc and find out what the opinion was on the end of prophethood. Please have a read of this article

      http://web.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/finality_of_prophethood/index.htm

      it goes through the arguments on which there is a consensus. This clearly shows the stance of the Quran, sunnah, sahabah and scholars of Islam. Please reflect and if you have any further questions ask any members of this website which many former Ahmadis partake in.

      May Allah guide us all

  6. ” Im curious…what islamic institution are you learning at? by Rationalist

    I am sure by now you know my name Umar is my pen name therefore I am currently trying to complete a Masters in Theology, So I hope you dont mind if I do not disclose at what institution I am studying with but I can tell you it is a well known and renowned institution by the way my teachers are not Ahmadi’s

    Umar

    • The Mu’tazilites were by far more knowledgeable and sincere than the vast vast majority of the Muslims to this day. But they were astray! Even if you studied Arabic at Mahad al-FatH, Fiqh at al-Azhar, ‘Aqidah at the Deoband and Medinah University, etc that still does not make you correct. This is called the Appeal to Authority fallacy.

      Being correct is not based on how much you studied. People have confirmation-biases that subcutaneously filters information through the lens of “my view is right, lets see how I can make this ayah match my view.”

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