Gressenhall Road: Mirza Masroor’s New Palace

بسم الله الحمد لله و صلاة و سلام على رسول الله و على آله و سلم

The Ahmadiyya Community has applied for an extensive redevelopment of their site at Gressenhall Road, London, SW18 5QL. The site contains the oldest Ahmadi prayer house in the UK and the residence of the Ahmadiyya leader Mirza Masroor Ahmad.

The development description reads:

“Demolition of the west wing of the administration block and hall next to the London Mosque and office buildings, plant room, wash rooms, bin store and garage along western boundary. Erection of replacement hall with single-storey element containing kitchen, bookshop, bin store and garage; alterations to administration/residential building, including the addition of a fourth floor and new facade in connection with use as offices. Erection of three-storey building to provide three dwellings ancillary to the Mosque, fronting Melrose Road. Use of No.65 Melrose Road as ancillary residential accommodation. Landscaping works including the felling of 13 trees.”

(Source:  Wandsworth Council planning application database, application number 2010/0486, Full Case File)

A replacement hall with a kitchen, a bookshop and a garage. One might rightly ask, what is wrong with the current hall. By reading on, one can see the true reason for this redevelopment: a three story building containing three flats for Mirza Masroor and his family.

Blind Ahmadis will probably make all sorts of excuses to justify this redevelopment: “The hall will be bigger and provide more space for prayers and functions, so it’s good”, “Huzoors flat is needed to build more offices and we need more offices. Building a new house for Huzoor is therefore ok.”

But the following drawings and tables will show that the new hall provides very little additional space. And more offices? Is the £5.5 million centre in Morden not enough? And the new dwelling is not simply a house; it is a luxurious residence spread over almost 900 square meters (9,690 square foot) and includes a private gardens, a roof garden and a large water feature.

In Ahmadiyya-typical fashion, a concerted effort was made to drum up support for this redevelopment.  All comments are available in the case file. As you can see most Ahmadis either do not know what they are in favour of or only mention the new hall. They were most probably instructed by their local presidents to write these letters, without really understanding what they are in support of. However, the well-informed neighbours seem to be unimpressed and comments against the redevelopment keep pouring in every day.

Let’s have a look at the pictures and drawings that were all taken from the case file:

Here is the current view of the site.

View from Melrose Road.

And here is how the site will look if the plans go ahead.

The large building on the right is the new residence.

The view from Melrose Road.

Here is the current floor plan.

And this is the proposed floor plan:

As you can see, there is a massive increase of accommodation and private offices at the cost of the dedicated prayer area. The large building on the right is Mirza Masroor’s new residence. As mentioned, it will contain three flats, one for himself, and the other two for his son and perhaps son-in-law.

The round building in the middle is the new multi-functional hall with a fancy glazed roof. Between the residence and the hall you can see the outline of the rather large water feature (ie, fountains).

Here’s a drawing of the hall.

The following is a side view of the residential complex, including a view of the garden roof-top.

Here is a 3D rendition of the proposed structure, showing the relative size of the new residential complex.

If you question the adjustments in floor plans, consider the following tables detailing the changes in area:

Now the question is: what is the point of this redevelopment? Why waste the common Ahmadi’s money on this? Why not just renovate the existing hall? They have Baitul Futuh for offices and the new hall hardly provides any additional space.

One document actually states that the dedicated prayer area will decrease by 132 square meters and the multi-function space will increase by 189 square meters. This amounts to a net increase of a mere 57 square meters. Compare that to the additional accommodation (housing) area: a whopping increase of 335 square meters, 60% of additional living space! This increase is almost six times larger than the increase of prayer area (assuming that the multi-function hall will be used for prayers). Six times!

Since no changes are going to be made to 65 Melrose Road, this increase can only be attributed to Mirza Masroor’s new residence. The total accommodation area of 892 square meters will then be larger than the 717 square meters of dedicated prayer area and multi-functional area combined!

(The table above is an older table. Changes to the prayer area and multi-functional area were made, which resulted in a further decrease of the total area. No changes to the accommodation area are known.)

To reiterate: Both, accommodation area and prayer/multi-function area are increasing. The increase of accommodation area however is six times larger than the increase of prayer/multi-function area. This results in the accommodation area being larger than the prayer/multi-function area.

The proposal itself states that the number of people coming to the mosque will not change dramatically. It tries to reassure the Wandsworth Council by implying that the main purpose of this redevelopment is only the accommodation of Mirza Masroor and that traffic will therefore not be an issue.

Ahmadis should ask themselves if this new residence, which screams of extravagance, is really in the spirit of humbleness and simplicity that Mirza Masroor constantly preaches. He asks his followers to make sacrifices but at the same time plans to build himself a Palace. Did Rasulullah صلى الله عليه و سلم and the Sahaba رضى الله عنهم ever waste the Ummah’s funds on building luxurious dwellings for themselves? No, the house of the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم was very simple:

“His house was but a hut with walls of unbaked clay and a thatched roof of palm leaves covered by camel skin. He had separate apartments for his wives, a small room for each made of similar materials. His own apartment contained a rope cot, a pillow stuffed with palm leaves, the skin of some animal spread on the floor and a water-bag of leather and some weapons. These were all his earthly belongings, besides a camel, a horse, and some land which he had acquired in the later part of his life. (Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud).”

-From Description of Prophet Muhammad

So please, dear Ahmadis, do not let Mirza Masroor and the Nizaam fool you into thinking that this redevelopment is needed. This redevelopment is simply for Mirza Masroor and his family so that they can live a life in luxury, financed by you. It is you who will have to pay chanda to fund Mirza Masroor’s lavish lifestyle.

To us on the outside, it is just another cult leader building himself a palace by further ripping off his followers.


The guest author is a former Ahmadi who converted to Islam in 2010. He has chosen to keep his identity a secret to prevent creating stories that he was “kicked out” or threats against his person.
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102 thoughts on “Gressenhall Road: Mirza Masroor’s New Palace

  1. Growing up as an Ahmadi they used to tell me to curtail my expenses and live the life of a peasant. I honestly believed this and did everything I could to financially support the ‘A’. After college I realized that all the money was going to the Khalifa and he allocated resources as he deemed fit.

    The only reason that the ‘A’ even builds mosques is because they consider mosques as investments for their thriving business. They have Islam for sale. They are selling it as global project. Its sad to see this unfolding. Per UK law they can do as they wish under the wing of a charity. Hopefully, they will get caught misappropriating funds.

    • One may ask the so called ex- Ahmadi Author how he lives his life, does he live in a simple four walled house, is he following the simple life of the Holy Prophet (saw) indeed are all those who have made comments living such simple lives?. I am quite sure all of you have nice houses and cars and most likely iPhones and many other things. So I find the whole argument to be baseless on all sides.
      We all know how the Holy Prophet (saw) lived and indeed many of the Sahaba (rh) but we also know that wealth is not forbidden in Islam, being comfortable in not Haram! It is having taqwa that is important. Hadrat Abu Bakr (ra) and Hadat Usman (ra) were both Khalifa and they were wealthy and lived comfortable lives but they were the most pious people. Ironically the Munafiqeen accused hadrat Usman of spending or using the ummah’s Money to support his lifestyle, even though he never ever used the money or took from the money collected for the cause of Islam, he used his own personal monies. And so is the case of Hadrat Khalifa tul Masih V (aba) anything thing to with his personal use he uses his own money not Jamaat’s.!!!!
      If this former Ahmadi was truthful he would have pointed out, this desire for a bigger place of worship and offices was requested by the Jamaat members themselves for many years long before the present Khalifa’s time. Also he also might have mentioned that Hadrat Khailfa tul Maish (aba) lived in Africa for over 15 years living in the harshest conditions in most simple accommodation. If the author was also truthful he would have pointed out that that during the time of the Holy Prophet (saw) the Sahaba and all the companions repeatedly requested the Holy Prophet (saw) to improve his living standards out of love for him.
      So it is the love of the Jamaat for their Khalifa that they insist upon him to move out of that small flat which he lives in, and please don’t tell me if any of your parents lived in a small box type flat you would not spend money to improve their live style.
      Lastly this property belongs to the Uk Jamaat and if the UK Jamaat wants to build a bigger Mosque office ect, then what is the problem???.
      The author commented that did not Baitul futhu suffice!!! Well did not Masjid Nabi suffice why build a huge complex in Mecca? Why develop it why not keep as it was at the time of the Holy Prophet (saw) why allow the development of mecca, why are all the Sheikhs living in modern houses and big ones? Why aren’t they living simple lives like the Holy Prophet (saw) why use cars just use camels? That was the sunnah was it not?. Are you guys using camels? Should I quote the lives of such pious Khalifa who were indeed full of Taqwa and yet they lived in Palaces like Al Hakam the ninth khalifa of Islamic Spain the patron of sciences.

      Waslaam
      Ahmad

      Love and peace

      • Ahmed, you’re almost claiming as if i-Phone are haram, could you cite one good hadith, or verse ? Your attempt at comparison is futile, Mirza Masroor siphons off charity and on the pretext of expanding prayer areas expands his comfort zone.
        Where is the proof that ordinary folks like us being accused by you, live off donations?
        Please spare us the comparison between the real Prophet PBUH and Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani. I’ve seen videos of western parliamentarians (mostly zionist Jews) attesting to the greatness of Ahmedia, but I’ve yet to see one such for our own Prophet PBUB. This only proves the long held belief that Ahmedia was sponsored by the British Raj to remould Muslim thought and make them subservient to their agenda. Ahmadiyya – As viewed by others (Sasketchwan Parliament) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtCVmTWC5ao&feature=related
        The Mayor of Haifa talks about Ahmadi Muslims (in Hebrew) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mC4j1V0xU8&feature=related

        Ahmed, if you were real, instead of hurling hollow counter allegations, stay put and prove allegations of extravagance and fraudulent accounting by Masroor one by one to be false, but that which you won’t because there is nothing in your counter argument.
        I believe your Jamaat must be part of the conspiracy to rip off, hence it’s silence.
        “their Khalifa that they insist upon him to move out of that small flat which he lives in, …”
        You didn’t see Prophet Mohammed PBUH doing it.

  2. Firstly let us congratulate the author who converted to Islam from the ahmadiyya cult.
    It is nice to see in print the scale of robbery commited against ahmadis, because it is easier to grasp.
    The thing that is most striking is the huge amount allocated to mirza masroor’s palace and the amount allocated to the prayer which is tiny.
    Think about how much mirza masroor will make from this little cash cow
    1. Now rent or mortage to pay if he has other property he owns which lived in previously he can rent that out.
    2. no council tax
    3. no water bill
    4. no gas bill
    5. no electric bill
    6. no telephone bill
    7. no broadband bill
    8. no traveling costs to get to ‘work (if you can call it that)
    9. no parking costs
    10 no food costs
    11. no costs for entertaining guests
    12. no gardening maintence costs
    13. no mobile phone costs
    14. no costs for ringing abroad

    Infact anything everyone else pays for, mirza will not have to pay, and he gets to keep the fixed salary he is getting, as well as all th kick backs of money and gifts he gets.
    He is getting all this because he us claiming to be the most learned Islamic figure on the planet
    yet he cant speak, read, write, understand arabic
    he has no Islamic qualification
    he has not memorised the quran
    he has no understanding of fiqh
    he has no learning hadith or tafsir
    in a word he is absolutley ignorant
    so how does it work?
    Its called a confidence trickster, the mirza clan have tricked ahmadis into believing they ar something they are not,
    they even grew their beard and wear turban after the take control,

    If ahmadis just opened their eyes for 10 seconds they would realise all of the above and leave.

    • @ Jess

      You hit it on the nail. You know, when you get rich, everything is free. I hear millionaires complain about this all the time. Like I said earlier, these structures that are built by the ‘A’ are nothing more than investments. They are investing in particular areas that are deemed as cash cows. Its totally an MBA perspective to religion.

    • Come Guys and the Author is not been honest, its a Mosque not a prayer house the first in London Masjid Fazal, the plans are to make a bigger Mosque. the author of this post if he was ever a Muslim, know well the flat the Khalifa of Allah was living in was very small.

      now just take a look at how the Sheikhs in Saudia are living so come !!!! weak post weak argument!!!!!

      waslaam

      Ahmad

      love and peace

      • After all his son and son in law have to live on Jammat money as well to Masroor needs a bigger space 🙂

        are u comparing some random Sheikh with ur KHLAFIAH so called AMEER UL MOMINEE ???

        • I have studied under non Ahmadi Sheikh’s and have seen the life style they live, eventhough many of them are good people and pious, my point is the article is attacking the Imam Of the Time because he is the Khalifa therefore you guys are insisting that he should not live in a a modren building which happen’s to be a project for a mosque, yet take a look at where the Cheif Imam Of Mecca lives.

          Ahmad

          Love and peace

          • Again how can u compares some imam with guy who claimed to be Khalifah, best example, Ameer ul momineeen

            ur argument is like two wrong make one right

    • he has made no claims for himself other then being a simply and humble servant of Almighty Allah (swt) but his knowledge is far more then your’s

      Ahmad

      love and peace

      • that is why he just reads from Paper which some other person writes for him

        and then try to build a bigger house for himself and for his children out of chanda payers money.

        seriously have a look at him from unbiased point of viwe

        • xiaahmad

          How ignorant you are firstly Hadrat Khalifatul Masih (aba) writes all his own speeches and Khutbah’s and I know this for a fact!!! perhaps you should look at him from an unbiased point of view!!!

          Ahmad

          Love and Peace

          I could tell many things about him and dreams I have seen but you guys would never allow it.!!!!!

          I have also seen the Holy Prophet (saw) several times Alhamdulillah ( lets see if you post this)

          • @ Ahmad

            1. How much money does Masroor have in his personal bank account?

            2. Where has Masroor worked at during his life-span? Has he ever had a job? Was he ever forced to work when he was younger?

            3. Does Masroor come from a super rich family? What was his inheritance?

            If you answer these questions….you will figure what the ‘A’ is all about.

          • If he writes his own speeches how was he dumbfounded when the words of his speech were somehow cut off?

            View this:

            Here is an awkward moment that he had…its 27 seconds of silence…it seems that his ghostwriter fumbled on some words…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8uW9EhFBhU

            from 51:10 to 51:37….. 27 seconds of awkwardness.
            1. he says…”some words were cut off”

            2. And ..did he pull his glasses out??

  3. I don’t see the problem.

    Its a beautiful building. 99.99% of Ahmadis are more than happy to fund a still pretty small 3 bedroom flat for the family of the Khalifa, and also the additional mosque space, however big or small it may be.

    Stop trying to pretend you speak for all Ahmadis. This is a disgrace.

    I challenge you to prove to me that even a minority of Ahmadis agree with you.

    Perhaps a group of 10 hyporcites no more.

    Stop speaking for Ahmadis as if you represent them, you don’t.

    Also, don’t indirectly assume that Ahmadis are stupid, which is what you imply when you say that Ahmadis don’t even know what they are doing when they are made to write letters.

    Its quite normal for Ahmadis to be really open and speak their mind. Also Ahmadis are not idiots as you seem to be implying. Ahmadis know what they are doing, and support the project because they want to.

    End of story.

    • From the text:

      Blind Ahmadis will probably make all sorts of excuses to justify this redevelopment: “The hall will be bigger and provide more space for prayers and functions, so it’s good”, “Huzoors flat is needed to build more offices and we need more offices. Building a new house for Huzoor is therefore ok.”

      and:

      Ahmadis should ask themselves if this new residence, which screams of extravagance, is really in the spirit of humbleness and simplicity that Mirza Masroor constantly preaches. He asks his followers to make sacrifices but at the same time plans to build himself a Palace. Did Rasulullah صلى الله عليه و سلم and the Sahaba رضى الله عنهم ever waste the Ummah’s funds on building luxurious dwellings for themselves? No, the house of the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم was very simple:

      “His house was but a hut with walls of unbaked clay and a thatched roof of palm leaves covered by camel skin. He had separate apartments for his wives, a small room for each made of similar materials. His own apartment contained a rope cot, a pillow stuffed with palm leaves, the skin of some animal spread on the floor and a water-bag of leather and some weapons. These were all his earthly belongings, besides a camel, a horse, and some land which he had acquired in the later part of his life. (Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud).”

      • Farhan

        do you live in a hut? if not why not? why don’t you set this noble example of the sunnah of the Holy Prophet (saw) please let me know when you do, and I will come a visit you, and you do I will follow your example.

        Ahmad

        love and peace

        • Ahmad he got his own money he dont try to live in mansion with the CHANDA payers money 🙂

          so please stop giving these childish arguments

    • You dont see the problem?
      neither do people who are with scientology, they just keep signing the cheques.
      ahmadis who leave have one regret, they wished they had thought about it earlier in life.
      every moment, every second, every penny and pound they regret wasting, flushing down the plug hole.
      some people will die and never wake up
      some people will wake up but wont have the courage to leave
      dont be either of them
      islam isnt cult that you have to pay money to some ignoramous,
      how much money did the companions pay to the Prophet (saw) or his Khulafa to have conversation with them?
      Infact if you were to pay to speak to anyone it would be these people, yet they didnt charge a penny. One of the most remarkable thing about them was that they were always giving everything away that came to them.
      Unlike your khalifa the only thing you ever see him give away is peanuts to children (and those are not even his peanuts)
      Next time you ahmadis go see daddy take a hadith with you in arabic, put it under his nose and tell him to translate.
      If he manages it, you may be justified in giivng him your childrens dinner money.
      Do you know how much khalifa’s grandkids pay for school? £20,000 a year.
      how much do you spend on your kids education?
      and how does he afford that? no business and rubbish qualfied to be a farmer

    • The average floor space of newly built homes in the UK is 76 square meters.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8201900.stm

      With a total accommodation area of approximately 800 square meters (900 square meters minus the ~100 square meters of 65 Melrose Rd) each of the three flats will have a floor space of ca. 267 square meters. That’s 3.5 times the average. Still pretty small, really?

      Besides that Ahmadis don’t generally have a choice regarding funding. Those who don’t want to contribute are bullied and shamed into submission. They are often asked in front of gatherings, such as general meetings for example, where refusing to participate in the glorious advancement of the Jamaat would be humiliating. You know that, everyone knows the pressure tactics that the nizam employs.

    • Im sure it must be embarassing to hear such stories about the leader of Ahmadiyya for ordinary Ahmadis. Most remain silent which is understandable but then you have people that speak out to defend this exploitation. Perhaps they have their own monetary gain for defending this leadership structure.

      No person with Islamic values of justice could defend this development. How can anyone justify this extravagance, especially when the poor from the community are also forced to give chanda. Many Ahmadis find it a struggle to make ends meet yet their leaders demand money from them to sustain themselves and their families.

      Allah says in the Quran, ‘Save yourselves and your families from the Fire whose fuel is men and stones’. Its clear Mr Masroor has a very different understanding of this ayah, hes merely trying to save himself and his family from tax and expenses.

    • I agree 😀 and I am no hypocrite!!

      Brilliant writ…. Much needed too!!!!!! 🙂

    • MashAllah great news. I have been to London Masjid many times and there is no room to pray there. The overflow halls are overflowing themselves and even the ground outside is too small. As for the offices of the Khalifa (may Allah strenghten his hand) they are the offices of Topshire, secretarial, and admin. Hazoor has to keep contact with over 190 countries and recieves thousands of leters per day. He regulerly entertains diplomats, officials, other religous leaders and of course Ahmadi Musliman themselves who come for Mulakhat. Sorely needed. I really cant see the problem there.

      • Right…but that isn’t where the increase is directed. Its directed at personal living quarters.
        Unless you think its important that “Huzoor” has a private personal garden…?

        • dont you have your garden????

          you can go around a live a normal live the Imam of the time cannot!!! he loves gardening dont you think he also should be allowed a graden??? be humble!!!

          waslaam

          Ahmad

          love and peace

      • How does that justify the 800 square meter residence with private gardens, roof garden and fountains? And the hall will provide very little additional prayer space, so your argument is flawed…

        How do you explain Masroors unislamic lifestyle? Did the Khulfa-e-Rashdeen ever build palaces for themselves? Umar (ra) travelled with one servant and one camel from Medina to Jerusalem. You Khalifa can’t walk from his office to the mosque without four bodyguards… pathetic.

        • @Bros

          All that is highlighted in green is not residential. I know that you are desperate to find flaws in Ahmadiyyat but you cant project credibility when you are making arguments like this latest one. If you were to really pay attention to the plans then you would see that Hazur (atba) current residenial flat will itself be integrated into a new administration block which is necessary. Therefor Hazurs residence will be newly built on he right. We already have a public garden, a peace garden. There is already a small existing garden on Hazurs flat. This will simply be moved. Would you begrudge someone a small garden? This new garden will be a public garden also but much more beautiful. As for the residential block I have been there many times and I can tell you from scale there ain’t gonna be no palace hombre. You could perhaps imagine 3 two story council houses side by side. That’s about the lenght which will be built. The overflow halls were located in the (white) multifunction areas. These overflow areas will be extended. If you were ever in the Masjid you would see that this is a Masjid built in the 1920’s and structurally not only would it not be possible to expand upon it but it would be a real crime. Its is an historical building and must remain intact as is. Also a new MTA office, bookshop and catering facility is included.

          This silly idea that Hazur is living some luxurious lifestyle i find ever peculiar. I have met Hazur, seen where he lives and I know his grueling schedule. Farhan you seem like the most polite and intelligent person on this site, perhaps the only one. I would invite you to accept the Messiah of Muhammad (sas) before you leave this temporal abode inshAllah. There is a Hadit that on the day of Judgement we will be all raised with the people that we kept company with in this life. Do you really want to be raised with those people?

          Wasalam

          • From the text:

            “Blind Ahmadis will probably make all sorts of excuses to justify this redevelopment: “The hall will be bigger and provide more space for prayers and functions, so it’s good”, “Huzoors flat is needed to build more offices and we need more offices. Building a new house for Huzoor is therefore ok.”

            LOL!

            Anyway, I do realise that not all green sections are residential. Only the new large building on the right! It’s not just the garden but the combination of the architectual style, the garden, the roof garden and the fountains (which you forgot to mention) that make it decadent. And not to mention the 800 square meter floor space, 267 for each flat! Which council house in Wandsworth has a floor area of 267 square meter? A typical figure is 100 square meter (google it).

            Have you read the proposal? It states that the Jamaat wants to relocate the offices from the houses opposite of 16 Gressenhall Road to the new building. That means that a lot of houses owned by the Jamaat will become vacant. Meaning that Masroor will have plenty of houses to choose from. But instead he decides to build himself a mansion! Masroor might not live a luxurious live now, but he certainly is planning to!

            The new hall provides very little additional space. The proposal states in fact that there will be no change to the over all area.

            What about Masroor’s khutab Yusuf? Does he not preach humility and simplicity? Does he not tell you to make sacrifices (meaning give money to the Jamaat)? How do you reconcile that with his plans? Should he not practice what the preaches?

            Ahmadiyya says that their khulafa are the real Khulafah, they are like the Khulfa-e-rashideen. So obviously their lives are going to be used as a yardstick to measure the lives of the Ahmadiyya khulafa. And so far they have failed utterly and miserably. The khulfa-e-rashideen never used the Ummah’s money to build luxurious houses for themselves, they didn’t ride S-class camels, they didn’t have food specially cooked for themselves, they didn’t have anybody hold their shoes. They practiced what they preached. As rulers of a vast empire they lived simple and humble lives.

            Your khalifa is a text book hypocrite. Time to take your head out of the sand and realise what Ahmadiyya is. It is not Islam.

          • Mashallah well said Brother Yusuf – I hope these ppl can actually understand

        • And was it not Hadrat Umar RA who insisted his tired servant to sit on the camel, while the great Khalifa led it camel by rope??

          Mas on the other hand has doors opened for him, water poured for him…. He is as humble as P Diddy at his White Party…

          • I dont know what a white party is bro. I dont follow the lives of rappers. You think that all the money is going to Hazur huh? You think he (atba) is living a rich lifestyle? You are divorced from reality friend. Our accounts at Baitul mal ar open and transparent. Where does the money go?

            Only a fraction of the chanda goes to the central Amal. The rest is spent in the country where it is collected for day to day running of the Jama’at.

            The money that goes to the centre us used to;

            Building Mosjads and maintaining them,
            Build schools, hospitals, and other facilities in poorer countries,
            Train and support missionaries and their families,
            Train and support life devotees,
            Publish and print and distribute books by the thousands,
            Dou’a (inviting humanity to Islam),
            Pay for tuition for students who can not afford it’
            and on and on..

            Do you think there is much left after that? Would you rather us to go down the other road like others and beg money from Saudi? We are the only a few Muslim organisations that does not take money from governments. In the UK many Muslims organisations are allocated funds from the government and other provisions. Not for us because we are self sufficient.

            MashAllah giving money for the sake of Allah Aza wa Jal is not a burden but it is a source of divine blessing.

            Just think, in the last 1 year the UK Government have payed out millions in funding for Islamic organisations. Now dont get me wrong I am not accusing them of being British agents but its is an incentive to compromise.

            We fund ourselves MashAllah.

            Peace

          • Yusuf, even during the time of the Abbassid and Umayyad Khulafa’, they spent a lot of money on social projects and development.

            But still, they lived in lavish wealth and palaces. I forgot which Khalifah, but one of his daughter’s mahr was like 10 camel loads of gold, silver and other riches.

            I have no doubt that the Nizaam spends money on good things. That’s great. But, it also spends millions on financing Mirza’s lifestyle.

            The difference was, during those dynasties, the Ulema have the courage to challenge it. But in Ahmadiyya, any criticism of Mirza Masroor is haraam and unthinkable.

          • @Farhan

            Thats a pretty bold and broad claim. So please detail for all of us just what you mean by lavish lifestyle. What are the perks which you are speaking about? When you talk about the “Mirza lifestyle” what do you mean? Where are the millions? Where’s the beef?

            You are just distracting yourselves from the base reality that Isa (as) has died a natural death and that the Mesih and Mahdi (as) promised to humanity trough the door of Muhammad’s (sas) Seal has come and his successors are the Khalifas.

            Its like doing a math problem but you have not learned the times tables, the result will be confusing and frustrating.

        • study early history of Islam!!!! and the great Khalifas like Al Hakam Khalifa of Spain.
          Mamun al Rashid, Khalifa al Mansur who had the most beautiful,Palace, Mosque and residences for his children, he also built offices for his secretaries, and halls to recieve Ambassadors, Scholars , visitors.
          and you guys have the cheek to question why the Khalifa tul Masih V (aba) should not live in a similar place, would you care to question the Khalafat of Khalifa Al Mansur!!!!!

          Ahmad

          Love and Peace

        • @ Xia

          They dont need prayer area. Ahmadis are leaving at an alarming rate, and the new converts arent pouring in. It seems to me that they have accepted the idea of downsizing. They want their rich members to stay and the poor ones can leave. Its all MBA theory.

      • @ Yusuf

        They only want your money. They dont want you to know where the money is going. And..they only spend money where they have vested interest. You should be suspicious when any organization is spending money so that their leader can live a life of luxury.

        What about the son of Masroor?? Where does he work at? Does he even work?

          • @ Mahmood Ahmad

            And thats the problem. Masroor’s son is unemployed and is having a ball. He is another Mirza rich kid in a loooong line of rich kids.

  4. Wow looks really cool. I wish I’ll be able to go see it once its completed. Thanks for sharing!

    • You should. Then you can see what a fraud your so called Khalifa is. Preaches humility and simplicity and then builds himself a palace with the money of others… lol.

  5. The huge ‘place of worship’ that the Ahmadis have built in Morden is empty. Very few attend regular prayers and this is further proved when any muslim that accidently mistakes it for a masjid is immediately tracked and questioned upon arrival. To say that current Ahmadi ‘places of worship’ are full is way off the mark.

    On another note, the term of ‘Khilafah’ that Ahmadis use for their leaders perplexes me. This is a ‘khilafah’ that needs his community for him to own a piece of land??? He gets the community to pay for his kids school fees. This is a ‘khilafah’ that has no power over any land on the earth and is restrained to Kufr law. He chooses to live under Kufr law??? A ‘khilafah’ with no rulership power is a contradiction in itself. Asif Zardari has more powers than this man yet not even he has the audacity to call himself ‘Khilafah’!!! A ‘Khilafah’ who has no power over any land, lives on Kufr land, is subject to Kufr laws and dependant on the Kufaar. Ridiculous!!

    • @Abu Eeman

      They meant to call him their CEO/CFO, mistakenly they name their leader as a Khlaifa back in 1908. They were living under Kufr back then tooo, i.e. British India.

      Masroor must be an MBA major not a farmer, either that or he thinks that the ‘A’ is Dairy Farms and he is imputing his business acumen.

      • @rationalist

        thanks for your explanation, it was a mistake. cant they change his title now? His title is meaningless, calling himself CEO would definitely be more appropriate.

    • “Kufr Law” – lol

      So a Khalifah can’t be a Khalifah if he lives under Kufr Law – let’s try and apply your logic

      A prophet is obviously higher than a Khalifah so if a Khalifah can’t be a Khalifah living under “Kufr law”, it’s only logical to conclude that “Prophethood” can’t be given to such a person either

      okay so you should just go ahead and deny the prophethood of Prophet Isa علیه السلام and early ages of Prophet Moses (as) and رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیه وسلم.

      and Prophet Joseph (as) for sure who didn’t only commit the crime (نعوذ باللہ) of living under such a government but also worked for it – May Allah help you understand !!!

      • @ Luqman

        You got it all wrong buddy. A prophet could have been raised anywhere in the past. Their respective missions varied. A Khalifa like Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali were in-charge of their Islamic nation. Mirza Masroor and his uncles/grandfathers were not. They only took the title of Khalifa so that they could turn an easy profit. It was only a title not a real Islamic Khilafat.

        Furthermore, Muhammad (saw) moved to Medina and became the head of state. Similarily, your Khalifa was in British India and lived under Kufr law and were happy, so was your Messiah. Your current Khalifa cant even have an additional wife in England because polygamy is against the law. He cant even practice Islam properly. How does that make any sense? How is this a model of Islamic life? The truth is simple. The ‘A’ is a ponzi scheme that made countless Mirzas as millionaires. Masroor might be the final Khalifa and hence he is making plans to deal with such a catastrophe.

        • you really need to do some Islamic Theology find some Islamic Madrassa because I am sorry to say, you sound like an uneducated person perhaps you were brought up in New York in the bronx,

          Ahmad

      • The prophet said ‘The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number.” (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 661). Also there is the hadith where the prophet told us that after prophethood there would be the rightly guided khilafahs, then hereditary kingship , then oppressors etc. In these hadith the prophet not only confirms that prophethood has ended- which Ahmadis deny because it conflicts with the sayings of one man in Qadian – he also explains that people will be ‘ruled’ by Caliphs or Khilafahs.

        In Islam we only had Khilafahs that actually ruled some land. Never, I repeat never has Islam had a ‘Khilafah’ who was ruled by another person. For a person to claim he is a ‘Khilafah’ but lives under the protection of Kufr law is mad folly.

        The ‘khilafah’ of Ahmadiyya is ruled by a mushrik. Not only that, but this ‘khilafah’ WANTS to live under a mushrik. Infact he CHOOSES to live in Britain over any other muslim country.

        Ofcourse we all know how much Mirza Ghulam loved the Queen but im sure he could never have believed his followers would travel 1000s of miles to live under another Queen. How shameful is that?

  6. Mashallah – an excellent proposal made by Ahmadiyya Muslim Community UK. May Allah grant us the means to finish off this project asap. And to our non-Ahmadi Muslim brothers, I’ll say what the Quran says
    موتوا بغیظکم

    • I tell you what, why don’t you cut out the middle man and just give Mirza Masroor your money directly? I’m sure he’ll enjoy it 🙂

      • Oh we do – everytime Ahmadis go visit Hadhur we do present gifts directly – completely unislamic of course 😉

        I must say im surprised you guys didn’t receive an “inside report” regarding direct gifts

        • @ Luqman

          Its truly sad that you dont see a problem with this practice. If I was in-charge of the ‘A’ I would DO_AWAY with this practice of handing money to the grand-wizard-of-the-A.

          I would tell them to give it to the poor. I would tell them to give to their finance secretary and make sure that it was spent on the poor and the orphans.

          Masroor’s temperment in this regard is totally opposite of mine. He…is putting this money in his pocket. We alrady know that he has never had a job in his entire life. He was born rich and never had to do any type of work. Will he ever tell us og his financial side of life? How much did he inherit? What bank account does he deposit this money into? How much money does he have in his bank account?

          If I was the leader of any organization, I would gleefully live a life of poverty and average means. I would do this so as to set the standard. I would lead by example. I would do it for the love of Allah.

          These concepts dont exist in the ‘A’. Circa 1879.

    • What so excellent about it??? the king Mirza Masroor Ahmad getting more space for himself and his family?

      why married children live with him?

    • @ Luqman

      There are Ahmadis who are struggling to make ends meet here in the USA that I personally know. Instead of helping the poor, The Mirza family is giving its executives a face lift so to speak. It’s obvious that the Mirza family doesnt care about the poor Ahmadis at all. Recently, they sent their Humanity First team to Guatemala and gave out free Lasik Eye Surgeries in an attempt to gain interest/converts in the area. They even have a mosque in Guatemala.

      The point of ‘Charity’ in Islam was to make sure that poor people were taken care of first before anything else. Before the Khalifa can sleep luxuriously…all Ahmadis should be at ease and not in troubled financial times. But, instead, Masroor just doesnt care, he only cares that the rich Ahmadis are taken care of and given promotions and social status.

  7. @Mahmood Ahmad

    Are you not slightly worried that the monies donated probably pay for your Guru to sit on his backside watching Kabaddi on SkySports.

      • if you guys can give money to Mullas to rape ur children in the name of teaching Quran, why can’t we watch Kabadee on sky sports?

        • @Luqman

          ..”if you guys can give money to Mullas to rape ur children in the name of teaching Quran, ..”

          What on earth are you talking about?

  8. I am an Ahmadi Muslim Alhamdolillah. I do not know what is troubling you? I think the blessings of Allaqh on Ahmadiyya Muslim Community despite all obstacles and efforts by every power that be. And this is the real proof of the truth of Ahmadiyya. This Khalafat has come to stay till qiamat as per Allah’s promise with Hazrat Rasul Ullah Sallalaho Alaih i Wassalam, and shall prove true as all words of Allah have always proven.

  9. It makes no sense to call it a Palace. Looks like none of “the cult” has been to or seen a Palace. It doesn’t even look like a Palace, nor its the size of a Palace. Suppose for argument’s sake that it is a small increase in residential space. What’s wrong with that? Does it really compromise the spirit of humbleness? Suppose Hazrat Muhmmad (sa) was alive today living in 21st century Britain. Would you as a person not want Hadhrat Muhmmad (sa) to live in a “better” place? Would you be happy as one in 2million Muslims in Britain to see that your holy master Hadhrat Muhmmad (sa) lives in a small “normal” dwelling? Would you feel betrayed if the Muslim community spent a “tiny tiny tiny” amount of money expanding the home of Hadhrat Muhmmad (sa)?

    It’s all a worthless effort trying to implement young Ahmadis mind as if this project as has been undertaken with selfish reasons in mind (nauzobillah). There are tonnes Islamic centres here in the UK that also expand Islamic community centres including living/dining spaces for Imams a significant number of which are funded by the British Government. Why don’t you start your Gibberish chatter on that if you truly don’t have anything against Jama’at Ahmadiyya?

    • Difference is Masroor is Masroor and Prophet Mohammad SAAW was the beloved Prophet of Muslims and Mankind. Shame on you, shame on you and shame on you for making such a comparison!!!!!

      • Instead of making a relevant reply to my comment, you make a diversion. Which part of my comment makes a comparison between the person of Hadhrat Muhammad (sa) and the person of Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad (atba)? I am trying to make a simple point here, just shows you realize the failure of this post’s argument.

          • Firstly it’s not a Palace we’re discussing here, just a simple expansion of a place of residence. Secondly how does simplicity imply that you cannot expand your own home? As I said before would you as a 21st century British Muslim feel betrayed if a small proportion of your collective money was spent on the expansion of home of Hadhrat Muhammad (sa)? Wouldn’t a good Muslim be willing to give some of his wealth for our beloved Muhammad (sa) for the fact that our holy master lives in a small dwelling in 21st century Britain? Consider that especially when these days Allah has given British Muslims material wealth. Remember that Thanking Allah for material wealth also requires that you make use of your wealth. Are you saying that Hadhrat Muhammad(sa) wouldn’t accept Allah’s gift of material wealth given to British Muslims?

            Another point, since we as Muslims should always try and follow the example of Hadhrat Muhammad (sa), that would mean that we should not ever expand our own home? If that’s the case British Muslims really need a lesson, please pass that on.

        • You wrote: It makes no sense to call it a Palace. Looks like none of “the cult” has been to or seen a Palace. It doesn’t even look like a Palace, nor its the size of a Palace. Suppose for argument’s sake that it is a small increase in residential space. What’s wrong with that? Does it really compromise the spirit of humbleness? Suppose Hazrat Muhmmad (sa) was alive today living in 21st century Britain. Would you as a person not want Hadhrat Muhmmad (sa) to live in a “better” place? Would you be happy as one in 2million Muslims in Britain to see that your holy master Hadhrat Muhmmad (sa) lives in a small “normal” dwelling? Would you feel betrayed if the Muslim community spent a “tiny tiny tiny” amount of money expanding the home of Hadhrat Muhmmad (sa)?

          … In short you are saying that had The Holy Prophet SAAW been alive today, Muslims would have wanted him to live well…so why cant the same go for Mas???
          UNLESS YOU ARE SPEAKING METAPHORICALLY LIKE YOUR MENTAL MESSIAH?????? Dont make excuses you said what you said….. do not try and back track…a typical ahmadi trait! You shamelessly used the love Muslims have for the Prophet SAAW to justify why Ahmadis want Mas to live well. Mas’s name shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence.

          So dont tell me you made no comparison, because you did! Mas is the scum of the universe, and you have NO right to make any such comparison.

          • There’s no weight or argument in your comment, except a pile of rude comments.

        • really… no weight??? perleeeeez! there is nothing rude about what I said…it was RUDE of you to even make such a comparison in the first place. and you did. its obvious for all to see… unless of course you were speaking in a metaphorical sense….

          anyways. cheerio.

    • pal·ace/ˈpalis/Noun
      1. The official residence of a sovereign, archbishop, bishop, or other exalted person.
      2. A large, splendid house.

      I think palace is an appropiate description.

      The point is that the Prophet (SAW) would not have accepted those gifts. He was in a very good position to become the wealthiest man of Arabia. Even his wives complained about their poor living standards, when they could have a comfortable live. Here’s what Allah (swt) revealed to the Prophet (SAW):

      [33:28-29] O Prophet! Say to thy Consorts: “If it be that ye desire the life of this World, and its glitter,- then come! I will provide for your enjoyment and set you free in a handsome manner. But if ye seek God and His Apostle, and the Home of the Hereafter, verily God has prepared for the well-doers amongst you a great reward.

      And yes, I do think a 800 square meter palace compromises the spirit of humbleness when the average 3 bedroom house has an area of 100 square meter.

      Ahmadiyya, the true Islam? I don’t think so…

      • Palace by definition doesn’t mean the official residence of a sovereighn, archbishop, bishop and in this case you mean to imply Khalifatul Masih. I guess since Muhmmad (sa) was the leader and is the holy master of the Muslims, his dwelling must be a palace, right? Google is only giving examples here. Wikipedia gives a much better description, “grand residence…ambitious private…lavishly ornate” and by no means the project being undertaken falls in this description. ..and yes there is nothing wrong with making buildings appealing to the eye if that’s another issue. There is a huge difference.

        I am talking here about 21st century British setting and neither are we discussion about “being the wealthiest person”. British society is much more wealthier and standardized than 6th century Arabia. You can’t make a simple comparison between here and there. And by the way there is no issue here of the project implying comfortable life as this post tries to imply…how can expanding a house ever imply that you will necessarily live a comfortable life?

        If you really believe expanding a home is necessarily “desiring the life of this world and its beauty and glitter” then we have a major issue here. You better get informing British Muslims that you must not expand your houses if you are a true Muslim.

        And its by no means an 800m of residence. The 800m includes private officeS and reception. Which means there is no evidence to suggest that there is an increase in residential space, though there is nothing wrong with it.

        • @ anonymous

          How much money does Masroor have in his own private bank account? How much money does he personally send to Pakistan each week? Does he know how many Ahmadis in Africa are starving? How much money does his son have in his personal bank account? Where has he worked in the past?

          How much money in Chanda does Pakistan produce on a yearly basis? How about since 1974? How much money does the entire conintent of Africa produce? Where are those funds allocated?

          And to answer your question. You had mentioned that Ahmadiyyat does accept money from the government, you said that its privately funded. The reason is that Masroor would be in JAIL if they took the governments money and spent it the way that they spend private monies. Do you understand that? And….if the ‘A’ accepted government funding they would then be open to independent AUDITS. Masroor isnt soooo dumb. I think he is an MBA, not a farmer.

          • Again a little diversion to the main subject. But your questions sound that of a suspicious person. Suppose Muhmmad (sa) was alive today here again in 21st century, would go and ask such questions like that to our dearest Hadhrat Muhammad (sa)? like…

            “How much money does Masroor have in his own private bank account? How much money does he personally send to Pakistan each week? Does he know how many humans in Africa are starving? How much money does his son have in his personal bank account? Where has he worked in the past?”

            Like I said it sounds like the person who is suspicious doesn’t it? and highly disrespectful too?

            Though you claimed to answer my question, but unfortunately you didn’t, you continued turning those suspicious rhetoric remarks into false rumors.

          • @ anonymous

            The point is that all your Khulafa were rich. From Mahmud to Masroor they were all Mirzais, they all grew up rich from loins of poor members of the ‘A’. Mahmud Ahmad encouraged Ahmadis to curtail their costs and give more to the movement.

            Times have changed…or maybe they have an MBA twist on them? Maybe its both! Masroor doesnt feel that the housing standards are acceptable for him and his unemployed family. He has ordered a face lift. My EX-local jamaat has Ahmadis who are barely making ends meets, we are poor and middle class with a few high rollers who have the management positions in the ‘A’.

            Masroor doesnt care anymore and this is the proof. And didnt Jamaat Canada just recently return money to the govt of Canada in fears of misappropriation???

            Check it out: http://thecult.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1461

          • @Rationalist

            Again diversion of the main subject. You failed to make an appropriate reply to my comment. Just goes on to say the fallacy of this post.

            Anyway, so clearly you claim to have access to the accounts of Khalifatul Masih, if you say that the Khalifatul Masih are/were rich, right? Again I have reason to trust your rumors. There is no doubt however that the community is generally wealthy due to its dedication and organization. However that doesn’t make the spiritual leader wealthy does it, does it?

            And your personal stories have no more relevance than just that; stories. However, offcourse no ones life is easy flowing, neither mine and i suppose neither yours, and a “possible” expansion to a place of residence doesn’t make it any more flowing either.

            And what about the Humanity First and related projects carried out in the poorer countries, and that’s not under the directive of Huzur aqdas? Stop making senseless assumptions.

          • set the example yourself!!! stop living in the big house you have give up your car, tell us how much money you have in your account, how much money do you send to pakistan??? every week.
            Ahmad

        • “grand residence…ambitious private…lavishly ornate”

          A very good description of Masroor’s new palace. Just check out the pictures in the case file.

          Anyway,

          1. The residential area is already quite large with a floor area of 557 square meter. Masroor wants to expand it to 892 square meter. That’s an increase of 60% as the text says. Hardly a “simple extension.” Besides that his palace be larger than the prayer and multifunction area combined.

          2. No I don’t believe that house extensions are necessarily “desiring the life of this world and its beauty and glitter”, but in this case it is, no doubt about it. The facts speak for themselves. The architectual style, the garden, the fountains, the floor area. Sounds very much like “beauty and glitter.” And there is no necessity to build a big palace. He could have chosen one of the houses opposite of the mosque or he could have built himself a simple house on the site.

          3. A humble abode in 21s century Britian would be a 3 bedroom house. Not a 800 square meter palace. And no, offices and reception are not included in this area. Check out the table.

          4. The point that I was trying to make was that wealth does not matter. Greater wealth does not justify living in a palace and telling your followers to live humbly. And besides that it’s not even Masroor’s own wealth! He is using chanda to build his new residence. None of the Khulafa-e-Rashideen used the Ummah’s wealth for themselves. The Prophet (SAW) could have been the richest man in Arabia and he could have built a palace for himself. And yet he didn’t. Do you see the difference between Islam and Ahmadiyya?

          5. I’m not comparing the 7th century with the 21st century but the lives of the khulfa-e-rashideen and the lives of the Ahmadiyya khulafa. We are not talking about random people here, but the leader of a community that claims to be the true Islam, the saved sect, the only sect that will enter paradise while all others will go to hell. Recently your Khalifa even claimed to be a mujaddid. Ahmadiyya khilafat claims to be the true khilafat. Their lives are of course going to be compared to the lives of the khulfa-e-rashideen.

          • “grand residence” – no, i suppose you haven’t seen ‘grand’ residences.
            “ambitious private” – private yes obviously, but ambitious which implies large sums put into the intricacies and the detailing certainly not. Ambitious in the sense of a major improvement and purpose, yes.
            “lavishly ornate” – definite no no. Clearly no! Again you seem to have not seen lavish places of residences.

            1. What percentage is the boundary for what you call Islamic extension? Can you give a figure? 60% is not what someone could call “huge”. 60% increase implies that the new home consists of just of over 33% the extension. Number doesn’t mean anything.

            2.Right so its unislamic to have a garden, a fountain? Better stream that to 2 million British Muslims! There is big difference between striving for “beauty and glitter” and just making the building appealing to the eye and a garden and fountain serves that purpose.

            3. 800m is again tiny for a palace. Though there is nothing wrong with 800m but anyway there is no evidence to suggest that the accommodation is purely for the Caliph, what about accommodation for security? Surely security needs space to live.

            4.Greater wealth may or may not justify living in a palace but greater wealth does justify greater means of sustenance, i.e. extension in this case. Actually its the community’s collective wealth which is meant to support the community and those that are not of the community as and when required which also includes taking care of the spiritual leader, Khalifatul Masih. The Jama’at is by the Grace and Mercy of Allah is wealthy enough to build mansions even for Huzur, but Huzur wouldn’t, rather Huzur directs it for the services of the community and beyond. Do you see the similarity between Islam and Ahmadiyya?

            5. …but in context considering the fact we live in 21st century Britain. For example, the fact that Hadhrat Muhmmad (sa) didn’t live in red-brick housing doesn’t mean that its unlawful.

  10. Your arguments are getting more ridiculous by the hour.

    By any standard in this world a palace or a mansion is a grand residence. And as far as design and detail goes, just look at the pictures in the residence. It doesn’t look anything like a standard brick building. It’s design is lavish and imposing.

    1. Who was talking about islamic extension? As far as islamic virtues of humbleness and simpicity goes, your khulafa never observed them anyway. That’s just for the common Ahmadi. You know what that makes your khulafa? Hypocrites. Anyway, only a blind Ahmadi could come up with the argument that an increase of 60% is not huge! What’s huge in Ahmadiyya? 80%? 90? And no, 60% extension implies 60% extension. Where did you get the 33% from?? You need to work on your maths skills.

    2. A roof garden and private fountains are an extreme extravagance. I have seen many mansions and grand residences and only a few of them had fountains. And those fountains were presented as extraordinary features. So private fountains, almost half the length of the building, is a normal everyday thing?

    3. LOL! Read the proposal. It clearly states that the new residence is for the kalif and his family. There is definitely something wrong with a new residence of 800 square meters, when the average floor area of a house is around 100 square meters. It’s eight times larger. I’m not sure if that’s considered “huge” in Ahmadiyya, but for normal people it is!

    4. So you agree that Ahmadiyya and Islam are different religions? The rest of your comment is rubbish. The extension is not justified as I already have explained. You cannot justify it islamically, you cannot justify it morally. No matter how you twist it and turn it, the fact remains that this new palace is an unecessary extravagance that is being built with the money of ordinary Ahmadis.

    5. ??? I’m not comparing the houses but their lifestyles and their morality.

    • You are correct when you say “By any standard in this world a palace or a mansion is a grand residence”, but that doesn’t mean that this place of residence (not project) is by any means grand or a palace. You are again right in saying that “It doesn’t look anything like a standard brick building” and I suppose you mean a house? Well that’s because the project is not meant to be a place of residence, yes it includes a place of residence. It’s a project that will look much more appealing than the current derelict state in which it is or at least looks like it.

      1. “Who was talking about islamic extension?” You are the one and this post is implying that this extension is not unislamic. I am trying to argue that it is. simple. Then you divert from the topic a little by making up rumors that (God forbid!) our Khalifatul Masih is not following the Islamic customs of humbleness.
      There is no definite huge extension in Ahmadiyya understanding of Islam. You’ve got to take an approach depending on your financial standing (in this case the community’s financial standing) and various other factors such as the need, the purpose etc. You just come up with 60% as a seemingly too huge % to work without any basis why is this too huge.
      Right! teaching time! So if you have an extension of 50% that would mean that the extension only consists of 33% of the final product. Why? lets do a little math, an extension of 50% means the new housing is 150% compared to the old one. Right? So the extension 50% is 50/150 = 33%. That’s why I said “the new home consists of just of over 33% the extension”. Math lesson over. I was just explaining to you that numbers don’t mean anything.

      2. You said “I have seen many mansions and grand residences and only a few of them had fountains.” Maybe because simple fountains are a little cheap. What! A fountain is extravagant? And a garden is not as long as it touches the ground? Don’t you see that a roof garden saves significant space for other significant purposes in a tight knit area? It’s not as its more expensive to make a roof garden than a room. By the way that’s what I would call being green, something which is heavily needed in the West. Rather than leaving the roof bare, why not make use of it?

      3.So you suppose that no one else lives overnight? that’s amazing security, isn’t it? Again number’s don’t mean anything here. By the way Huzur (atba) would need place to meet people and don’t say that’s what multi-functional area is for because it isn’t.

      4. No I don’t, I believe Ahmadiyya to be the pristine pure Islam as interpreted by our holy master Muhammad (sa). Now for this part you clearly have no answer, you have nothing to say but that my “comment is rubbish”. My previous (4) clearly answers your’s (4).

      5. No you are not your main argument is the housing, the fountains, the gardens, the size. This project reveals nothing about lifestyle.

      • You are either in denial or you are ignorant. You should really read the text and the proposal. You are trying to refute facts that have already been confirmed by the Ahmadiyya Community itself.

        Masroors new residence is grand by design and size. It does not have a conventional design and it’s around eight times larger than a standard 3 bedroom house. That’s what makes it grand. You are unable to refute any arguments which is why you are trying to distract with this “islamic extension” theme, which you introduced. Anyone can read my arguments, I never argued that there is even a thing called “islamic extension”. The standards I am applying here are of common decency, morality and the lives of the Khulfa-e-Rashideen.

        Given that, this new palace is perverse in relative and absolute terms. A dwelling which is eight times larger than the average house is not humble. The financial standing argument is rubbish because the Ummah back then was also quite wealthy and could have easily funded a palace for any of the khulafa. Yet no khulafa ever demanded it, they didn’t even think about it, because it went against the modesty and simplicty that they preached. On top of that, there is no need to build this residence! There are plenty of house (that are owned by the Jamaat and will become vacant if the office space is exended) to choose from.

        Your style of argument tells me that you are desperate in defending Masroor’s new palace. A fountain is and remains an extravagance, especially a fountain of that size. Check the floor plan again. And as I said it’s the combination of the architectual design, the garden, the roof garden and the fountain that makes Masroor’s palace lavish.

        And if you had read the post you would know that security and office area are listed seperately. The 800 square meter palace is for Masroor and family only. 65 Melrose Rd is for guests.

        This is my last comment on this topic. I think everything has been said and anyone can see that anonymous has been unable to refute my arguments. His one and only argument was “well, we’ve got the money, so it’s ok”, but as I have shown it clearly isn’t. Masroor’s lavish lifestyle doesn’t meet the standard that he preaches. He preaches humbleness and simplicity but doesn’t feel the need to practice it. He claims to be a Khalifa, the one chosen by God to lead the saved sect, the true Islam and yet his lifestyle is in exact opposition to that of the Khulfa-e-Rashideen, who could also have lead a luxurious life, if they wanted to. Masroor is just another cult leader. They have a tendency of considering themselves above the rules and of building grand residences from themselves.

        • You are the one claiming that 60% extension is not islamically viable. So I asked you a simple question what is the greatest % that is islamically viable. Then you erupted with the same question to me whether 80% or 90% is the boundary extension according to Ahmadiyya understanding of Islam. Then I explained to you it depends on various factors, the need, the purpose, the financial standing. And then you blame me for introducing the “Islamic extension” theme.

          In the third para, however you return to your old explanation that “Ummah back then was also quite wealthy and could have easily funded a palace for any of the khulafa”. Right, I am not denying this, I have already explained this to you, the Ahmadiyya Muslim community’s financial standing is not that poor that it can only fund 800m place of residence. Unfortunately your argument just stems from pure numbers without any real analysis e.g. “60%”, “800m”, “eight times larger” and so its unislamic. You forget that Huzur (atba) is the spiritual head of the Ahmadiyya Muslims Community. So Huzur (atba) by definition will need spaces to meet people of his community and that of outside the community (and note that’s not what the multifunctinal room for as people may try to imply), moreover Huzur (atba) need spaces for his office work which is clearly going to be part of his place of residence rather than a separate entity ( for example for letters, reports that come from all over the world). Moreover, you forget about the accommodation for people, as if its secure enough for Huzur (atba) and his family to live alone overnight.

          My argument is not “well, we’ve got the money, so it’s ok” as you try to imply. My argument is do we have the need, do we have a meaningful purpose. Yes. So do we have the money for it. If yes why not go ahead?

          I do not need to argue your reiteration of the word “palace”, which I have argued enough and is ridiculous enough.

          With respect to security, notice that’s not my only argument here. But I would suppose security with an area of about 3.5m * 3.5m (derived from 13m area) is not enough for accommodation for security.

          With respect to your last para, I would again reiterate the project reveals nothing about lifestyle. Lifestyle and humbleness doesn’t relate to having a roof garden, fountain, or size. A roof garden is what I would call using common sense. Making use of the roof rather than leaving it bare. A fountain with other things makes the complex look appealing to the eye. By the way, what makes you think the fountain is directly for the Caliph? Size i’ve discussed here and before many times over.

          Right, I leave it here with you, the reader can decide whether to blindly look at numbers or to look at numbers with reasons for such numbers.

          • And when Masroor passes away will his wife be pushed out of the Palace? Where will she be forced to live? Will the new Khalifa move in to this palace or does the son of Masroor inherit it?

  11. “….just look at the pictures in the residence.”

    I meant case file.

  12. It’s very encouraging to see the Ahmadiyya leadership doing something useful for themselves with all the money they extort from members.

  13. you know, at first i thought you were exaggerating about the whole cult mentality..but after reading this and reading the comments, and also the whole facebook fiasco..i’m shocked people actually think this way…thank god I’m a Muslim. Ahmadis…you’re stuck in a cult and blatantly ripped off. The amount of white worshiping you all do who knows how much funding you get from the governments, plus chanda…and you all are contented with your leader expanding his home? Then using the money for his own means? Is this the ‘true’ Islam..because it just sounds to me a cult whose members are blatantly getting ripped off…

    • Do you have anything to say or a reply to my comments but a collection of assumptions and rumors?

      • 😮 what makes you think i was directing at you? Other pple here have been discussing with you and yet you chose to remain blind…

        • I didn’t say that you were directing this to me nor implying it. Right so I chose to remain blind? Maybe your suggesting that I should overlook reasons and just look at numbers like shahzad10?

          • @ anonymous

            He was trying to say that ALL AHMADIS are a brainwashed bunch of Pakistanis that need our help. Keep reading…slowly but surely you will understand.

          • Interesting but unfortunately for you I am not a Pakistani nor of Pakistani origin.

          • Rationalist, not all, there are many who are not Pakistani. Being Pakistani or any other ethnic group has no relevance on anything. I mean, Urdu is pretty awesome, but its definitely not a holy language.

            However, being from a Indo-Pak family myself (From the Gauw lol), yet holding desi culture at arms-length..and at the same time deeply exploring other cultures, such as Somalis, the different kind of Arabs, Turks, Somalis, Afghans, etc.. there are certain pervasive factors in Pakistani culture that make way for groups like Ahmadiyya arise amongst them. Turkish culture would have been vulnerable had it not been for the secularism post-Attaturk. I suppose this is difficult to see for outsiders. I plan on discussing this soon, in sha Allah

  14. The self-appointed “Khalifa” does not stand in comparison with some of the remarkable Muslims in history who not even claimed greatness. For example, one of the greatest Mughal emperor Aurangzeb, never spent anything from the “sarkari khazana” on himself or his family. He used to make caps and write Quran for his living and when once his wife demanded a servant to help her, he replied he could not afford it and pledged to work harder to be able to afford a servant. This about an emperor who ruled the largest India for the largest period and had India under his feet. Compare this with self-righteous Khalifa who by making an entire community fool has ensured that he and his good-for-nothing offsprings do not have to work at all. A request to Ahmadi brothers, please do not miss any of your chandas, lest the phony Khalifa die in hunger. Not having to work for generations must have made the genes responsible for a human being to be able to work, must have dissppeared in Mirza clan by now.

  15. The self-appointed “Khalifa” does not stand in comparison with some of the remarkable Muslims in history who not even claimed greatness. For example, one of the greatest Mughal emperor Aurangzeb, never spent anything from the “sarkari khazana” on himself or his family. He used to make caps and write Quran for his living and when once his wife demanded a servant to help her, he replied he could not afford it and pledged to work harder to be able to afford a servant. This about an emperor who ruled the largest India for the largest period and had India under his feet. Compare this with self-righteous Khalifa who by making an entire community fool has ensured that he and his good-for-nothing offsprings do not have to work at all. A request to Ahmadi brothers, please do not miss any of your chandas, lest the phony Khalifa die in hunger. Not having to work for generations must have made the genes responsible for a human being to be able to work, disappear in Mirza clan by now.

  16. The planning application has been refused. They can still appeal but for now this means no palace for Masroor…

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