Ahmadiyya Converts: Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics

On the forum, brother Khalid has shared some quite embarrassing (for the Ahmadiyya) statistics. These figures are not widely shared. It’s shocking how low they are and shows just how un-dynamic this self-styled “dynamic reform movement” actually is, despite all the money it apparently spends on the “propagation of Islam”.

 

From 1995-2005:

Total Bai’at: 1084
Still with Jamaat: 218
Move to new Jamaat: 40
Left UK : 232
Unable to Contact: 594

 

In the 10 years of growth that Ahmadiyya reported as the most explosive, they only got 218 converts. That’s truly shocking. If I was a chanda paying Ahmadi, I’d want to know where it was going. I’d ask Rafiq Hayat some serious questions. Lots of pointed questions.

 

Here’s a yearly breakdown for a more recent period:

From 2000-2010:

2000-01: 122
2001-02: 48
2002-03: 58
2003-04: 95
2004-05: 38
2005-06: 45
2006-07: 75
2007-08: 67
2008-08: 25
2009-10: 61

 

As Khalid points out, there’s a lapse rate of over 50% (what a supportive community) and many of the “conversions” are just original Ahmadis coming back to active membership, renewing their pledges.

Here’s an ethnicity breakdown for 2009-2010:

English British: 7 
Mix British: 2
Palestine/Egyptian: 1
IVOIRIAN: 3
Kenyan: 1
Kenyan/British: 4
KYRGYZ: 2
Mauritian: 1
Pakistani: 22
Pakistani British: 3
Polish: 1
Somalian: 1 
Indian/ German 1 
Indian British: 2
Guinea: 1
Egyptian: 5
Bangladeshi: 1
Czech Republic: 1
Dutch: 1
Ghanaian/ British: 1

Is there any surprise that the list is dominated by Pakistanis?

In the last 15 years, Ahmadiyya has converted and kept no more than 650 people in the UK and some of those were already Ahmadi.

Here it straight from their spreadsheet:

ahmadiyya converts spreadsheet

Ahmadis need to ask themselves just what on earth is going on. The Ahmadiyya leadership needs to stop spreading lies and it needs to stop fear-mongering too. Ahmadiyya is not growing. It is shrinking.

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18 thoughts on “Ahmadiyya Converts: Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics

  1. Why is such a big difference between south and north? Sister findings speaks of fake converts. Maybe this has strong part in midlands? Pakistan boys and pakistani ahmadi girls dating- signing fraud papers?? Large numbers in north england? Khalid and findings should figure out this. It will drill further into lies.

  2. I know for a fact that Ahmadiyyat is not spreading in the USA. These people have exact records toooo, dont let them lie about that. They have a system called Tajneed, everyone registers, etc etc.

    Ahmadiyyat is hard to sell…..comparatively, Islam reaches the hearts of men, without a paid missionary tooo.

  3. As Salam o Alaiquum
    To all Brothers and Sisters

    As I am quite new “arriver” to this forumm
    I would kindly ask if not it`s appropriate to convey this information that has been
    gathered to larger fora e.g. Youtube ??
    I have noticed that followers of Mirza are trying to give the impact that it`s a “flourishing community” with up ten`s of millions of members …if not 200 million…
    Jazak ALLAHu khairan

  4. @Shahid:
    Please make it a habit of clarifying who do you mean when you use word ‘Ahmadi’/ ‘Ahmadiyya’. As few hundred years ago there was some firqa in Arab countries who called themsleves ‘Ahmadiyya’. Then there is an Irnian famous ‘Ahmadi’ i.e. Ahmadi-Najjad. Moreover there are two other types of ‘Ahmadi’/ ‘Ahmadiyya’ i.e. Qadiani and Lahori.

    I’m impressed by Qadianis 1995-2005 Missionary report. I’m impressed the way they document their members. I’m sure keeping their this practice they have documented 200 million members. I will be a great idea if you can get hold of their 200 million list.

    • You’re right. For example, Lahoris have beliefs we do not agree with, but I do not consider them a cult, nor do they attack Muslims as a matter of habit. Qadiani Ahmadiyya is in my opinion an oppressive cult and its practices need further exposure.

      • @ shahid

        The LAM believe that Esa (as) was born with the agency of a father. If thats not blasphemy than what is? They write that MGAQ was wrong in this doctrine of his. By stripping MGAQ of prophethood they turn Ahmadiyya doctrines into gossip and hearsay, that can even be adjusted in the future as needed.

        • I think they’re off-the-charts weird, but not as big a deal or as much of a cult as the Qadianis, even if their beliefs are ever *more* irrational IMHO

          • I had read a book in the past wherein it was written that Muhammad Ali re-explained every phenomenon inside Islam. Muhammad Ali attempted to strip Islam of all supernatural events. If thats not Kufr than what is?

            Muhammad Ali willfully and knowingly attempted to re-interpet Islam in the light of 20th century science. The problem was….Muhammad Ali thought that science was perfected, or the highest intellectual realization had taken place in the early 20th century.

            Muhammad Ali was wrong! Science is still evolving. There are secrets of the cosmos that we have yet to uncover.

            This book that I read went through every re-explanation of Muhammad Ali. It was almost as if ALI created a new religion INSIDE of Ahmadiyyat.

            What is wrong with these people?

    • “As few hundred years ago there was some firqa in Arab countries who called themsleves ‘Ahmadiyya’.”

      I didn’t know that. Is there anything that Mirza Ghulam did not steal from somewhere else or that has not been used before? I think the most original thing he came up with was throwing chick peas into a well to hasten the death of Abdullah Atham.

  5. Wow, what an article… looks like wikileaks (“their own spreadsheets?”) Do you even know how tajneed records are kept? How many auxiliaries and what not?
    I know one thing that Islam tells you; “DO GOOD AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.”
    DON’T BE JUDGMENTAL… every soul will answer its own doings, if Islam has magnetic attraction, then let it attract pure souls from all over…you should not be worried about Ahmadis trying to deviate those nice people from the right path.
    Using lies and bad words for your opponent is the custom of cowards… and I really hope that you are nice people!

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