Are we Anti-Ahmadiyya?

بسم الله الحمد لله و صلاة و سلام على رسول الله و على آله و سلم

Recently, a petition by the UK Ahmadiyya community to declare the Khatme Nabuwwat Academy a “hate group” was denied. Admittedly, I do not know much about the Khatme Nabuwwat Academy. But, this got me thinking, is TheCult spreading hatred against Ahmadis? Are we Anti-Ahmadiyya? Are we a hate group? This is a claim that is often levied against this blog.

Lets discuss…

What is the purpose of TheCult? In short, we are a group of Muslims who have come together to call our misguided sisters and brothers from the Ahmadiyya religion back to Islam. In other words, we want our dear brethren back. In doing so, we draw attention to flaws in Ahmadiyya beliefs, factual inaccuracies of the faith, and the unquestionable superiority of Islam over Ahmadiyya.

But, couldn’t this blog be difficult or even painful to read for an Ahmadi? Undoubtedly so! After all, this is not about race or national origin, this is about one’s Deen! But, the Qur’an says in Surah al-Baqarah:

وَعَسَىٰ أَن تَكْرَهُوا شَيْئًا وَهُوَ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ
…but perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you…

While it can be difficult to hear that Ahmadiyya is not Islam, criticism of a religion, philosophy or belief-system is not automatically equated to “hate speech”. By tautological definition, hate-speech requires hatred, not factual and logical criticism.

Now lets compare this with what the Ahmadiyya leaders have done. For decades, they have written books filled with arguments against Islam and for Ahmadiyya. This is not perceived as anti-Islamic and hate-speech against Muslims. But, if a Muslim criticizes Ahmadiyya, it is hate-speech…?

Further, there is a clear concerted effort by Ahmadi leadership to stereotype those who criticize their faith as “mullahs” (including upon yours truly). This is akin to stereotyping Jews as money-grubbers. If anything, this is true “hate speech”.

We do not expect Ahmadis to change their minds over-night. It took Abu Sufiyan رضي الله عنه many years and many battles before he embraced the Truth. We ask our Ahmadi readers to let their guards down, read what we have to say, and internalize our positions. This is the epitome of open-mindedness! If you reject Islam for Ahmadiyya, that is your choice. But, if you accept Islam, we welcome you with open arms and an open heart.

May Allah continue to guide Ahmadis to Islam!

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41 thoughts on “Are we Anti-Ahmadiyya?

  1. A lot of Muslims do not even know what Ahmadiyya is and as such they do not hold any bad feelings toward them.

    On the contrary, there has been deliberate attempt by Ahmadiyya group members predominantly their activists, murabbis, missionaries and political leaders to distort the true message of Islam, publish deliberately misguided literature in the name of Islam, spread venom and hate against muslims and their countries (in the West) Brainwash politicians and give them money and votes to advance their agenda. They always support people and parties that are anti-muslims. Try to defeat any politician who has any sympathy towards muslims. Come on TV and newspapers, to smear the muslims and falsely accuse them of being soft and not speaking out against terrorism, although almost all muslims condemn terrorism of any kind. Most of their jamatkhanas are actually spy centres. Send their agents to spread hate and cause confusion in Muslim masajids, conferences and seminars and spy on them. Target the younger generation of muslims and try to lure them to their misguided faith. Spread more lies to hide evil activities of their cult and lies of MGA. This is just a glimpse of what they are doing and there is lots more…….and they have been doing this for many many years.

    • I’m the kind of guy who will point out good things about the Jama’at…
      But, I agree 100% with the above statement. I’ve seen much of this with my own eyes.

      • okay, I don’t know about Spy Centers…but:

        “Come on TV and newspapers, to smear the muslims and falsely accuse them of being soft and not speaking out against terrorism, although almost all muslims condemn terrorism of any kind.”

        This really bothers me. I don’t understand why they do this. They themselves knows its false, but they say that on TV and such.

  2. Well ask any person from Pakistan and he shall tell you about what Khatmeen nubuwat Academy is .And how it propagate hatred against the ahmadiyyat at personnel level.
    I have been myself a victim ,but leave this .
    I personnel have not ever thought about you that you are inciting hatred against ahmadiyyat.
    Talking sensibly , and using logical reason to defend yourself and try to prove other sect wrong and your believe rights does not come in the hatred.

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    But, couldn’t this blog be difficult or even painful to read for an Ahmadi?
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    why ? what kind of knowledge do you think you guys have published that would have bothered ahmadies.
    i assure you that personally there is not a single piece which have caused me a pain OR it was difficult .
    yeah it took me some time to research and find the real answer
    and the time during that period was difficult , a constant search for the answer.

    but then the EUREKA state always came .

    whether it was about your research regarding the word KHATIM , which i know in much more detail now then before i read your book , and i considered your research a child allegation in the wake of what i know now about this word and the greatest status of Hazrat Muhammad (saw) as Khatamuabeen , ( wait you shall learn it soon ) .

    whether it is you chanda allegation OR it was the blog on the allegation that how can one even think of getting the name of hazrat MUHAMMAD (saw) and claiming like him as Promissed Messiah did.

    nothing heart me and nothing caused me pain.

    OR
    Mr faud different allegations , i consider all of them wrong , but have not got time to refute all of them but i know the answer for each and every one
    OR
    Mr shahid blogs

    i consider all of you and Mr hussain talking within their limits , though Mr Shahid sometime presents a thing which i consider baseless . but every person have his own view you cannot blame anyone to think from the angle which you consider right.

    but sorry i cannot say this thing about Mr rationalist . I always wonder what he is writing and what he wants to say .
    He enters in the mind of My caliphs and Promised messiah and tells that they did so and so with this and that motive, he makes laughing claims.

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    Now lets compare this with what the Ahmadiyya leaders have done. For decades, they have written books filled with arguments against Islam and for Ahmadiyya. This is not perceived as anti-Islamic and hate-speech against Muslims. But, if a Muslim criticizes Ahmadiyya, it is hate-speech…?
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    well i assure you that the kind of hatred i have seen and read against ahmadiyyat comes no where near to logic in most cases .

    ask some one to translate this video to see how ahmadies are being called WAJABUL QATAL.


    hatred against ahmadiyaa community

    but i agree with you that if some one logically shows flaws in ahmadiyya belives and remain in his limits then it cannot be called hatred against ahmadiyyat.

    and i also disagree that my caliph written arguments against islam , not….. it was against your wrong believes which you perceive as the true Islamic principle .

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    Further, there is a clear concerted effort by Ahmadi leadership to stereotype those who criticize their faith as “mullahs” (including upon yours truly). This is akin to stereotyping Jews as money-grubbers. If anything, this is true “hate speech”.
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    well this is not the case, if i call MULLAH ( and i admit many time i do write MULLAH ) then i am saying this to that brand of ULEMA whose behavior is despicable . they never call us AHMADIS , but QADIANI and MIRZAI .
    they feel pride in attaching the word KAZZAB with the name of Promised Messiah
    and unfortunately such ULEMA abounds in my society .

    you can say because you have not witness them , but i have watched them and listen to them live . . . hurling abuses after abuses on promised messiah and demanding of depriving ahmadies of their legal rights .

    Exception is always there in every society . and being the followers of the hazrat Muhammad (saw) who was REHMATUL AALMEEN , all the ULEMA cannot become worse at all.
    Even in pakistani society majority does not take part in the hate campaign against ahmadiyyat, though they are silent spectators.
    I know that if hundred peoples came to destroy the homes of ahmadies in the time of violent movement against ahmadiyyat in 1953, 1974 and 1984 and in other occasions then there were many peoples who gave shelter to ahmadies.

    if you have just find the word MULLAH , a proof of ahmadiyya HATE SPEECH then we have hundred words to show from their languages as well.

    • @Khalid Nawaz
      yes i see what a good little Qadiany/Ahmadiya u are ?
      u just cant help it but accuse us being Mullahs can u ?
      when we are just here exposing your Man made Cult !!

  3. PLEASE SHOW THE FOLLOWING QUOTES TO QADIANI CULT MEMBERS, AND ASK THEM WHO SPREADS HATRED???????????????

    QADIANI KHALIFA 2 MIRZA MAHMUD AHMAD AND HIS STOOGES QUOTES WITH REFERNCES AND PAGE NUMBERS:

    “It is our obligation that we do not consider non-ahmadis as muslims and do not pray behind them, because for us they have rejected one prophet (Mirza Ghulam) of God. This is a religious matter and no one has any right to do anything in it.”
    (Anwar-e-Khilafat, by Mirza Mahmood, Khalifa 2, p.90)

    “All muslims who are included in the initiation of Maseeh Mowood, even if they have not heard the name of Maseeh Mowood, they are Kafir and out of the fold of Islam. I admit that these are my beliefs.”
    (Aina-e-Sadaqat, by Mirza Mahmood, 2nd Khalifa, p.35)

    “Every one who accepts Moses but not Eisa or accepts Eisa but not Mohammad or accepts Mohammad but not Maseeh Mowood, he is not only Kafir but a hardened Kafir and is out of the fold of Islam.
    (Kalimat-alFasl by Mirza Basheer Ahmad s/o Mirza Ghulam p.110)

    Question: “Is it permitted to say May God Bless the departed soul, forgive him and send him to Paradise for a person who was not included in Ahmadiyyat?”
    Answer: “The KUFR of non-Ahmadis is proven by evident signs and it is not permitted to ask for forgiveness for non-believers (KUFFAR).”
    (Al-Fazl Qadian vol.8, No. 59, 7th Feb 1921)

    “Non-Ahmadis are the disbelievers therefore their funeral prayers should not be offered, but if an infant of non-ahmadi dies, why should we not pray his funaral prayer, he is not a disbeliever of Maseeh Mowood? I ask the inquirer, that if this is true than why don’t we offer funeral prayer of a Hindu or a Christian child? How many people offer their funeral prayer?” (Anwar-e-Khilafat, Mirza Mahmood, 2nd Khalifa, p.93)

    “It is the order of Hazrat Maseeh Mowood and firm order that no ahmadi should give his daughter to non-ahmadi. It is obligatory on every ahmadi to carry it out….. there is great loss in it, besides this marriage is not permitted.”
    (Barakat-e-Khilafat by Mirza Mehmood p.73)

    “Our prayers are separate from Non-ahmadis, it is forbidden to give our girls to them, we are stopped to offer their funeral prayers. Now what is left that we can participate with them? There are only two kinds of relations – religious and worldly. For religious relations, it is the gathering for prayers and for worldly relations, it is the marriage and both are forbidden for us.”
    (Mirza Basheer Ahmad, Kalimat alFasl p.169)

    “The point is now quite clear. If it is ‘Kufr’ (infedility) to deny the
    Gracious Prophet (Muhammad pbuh), it must also be ‘Kufr’ to deny the Promised Messiah, because the Promised Messiah is in no way a separate being from the Gracious Prophet; rather he is the same (Muhammad incarnate). If anyone is not deemed a Kafir for denying the Promised Messiah, then anyone else who denies the Gracious Prophet also cannot be considered a Kafir. How is it possible that denying him in his first birth as Prophet should be regarded as Kufr, but denying him in his (reincarnated) second birth as prophet should not be regarded as Kufr, when, as claimed by the Promised Messiah, his (Mirza’s birth as Muhammad incarnate) spiritual attainment is stronger, complete and severe.”
    (Kalimatul Fasl, pages 146-147, as cited in the Review of Religions, dated March-April 1915)

    “Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad, or believes in Muhammad but does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a Kafir, but a ‘pakka’ (confirmed) Kafir, and (he is) out of the fold of Islam.”
    (Kalimatul Fasl, page 110, by Mirza Bashir Ahmad, M.A.)

    “All such Muslims who did not swear allegiance to the promised Masih (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian), even though they did not hear the name of the Promised Masih, are Kafir and debarred from the fold of Islam.”
    (Aiena-e-Sadaqat, page 35, by Mirza Mahmud Ahmad).

    • i cannot answer all the above in detail but please read this blog

      http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/31/takfir-declaring-others-kafir/

      and read my this post , which i am copying again .

      He (rz) said in his sermon

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      “there is lot of difference in the definition of the KUFFIR between ahmadies and non ahmadies they consider the meaning of KAFFIR as the denial of islam , but we do not give this meaning to word kafir.”

      “We believe that after a certain limit a man get a right of being called as MUSLIM ,but when he degrade even from that limit , though he can be called a Muslim but he cannot be considered a TRUE MUSLIM . this is our definition of KUFFER and ISLAM.”

      Further he (rz) said .

      “According to this definition we do not say every KAFFIR will go to the hell for eternity. We do not call in this sense even Jews and Christians as KAFFIR we believe one day GOD will free them from hell and will enter them in the paradise. ”
      “there is lot of difference between their and out definition of KUFFIR ”

      he (rz) then said

      “again I pronounce we do not give KUFFIR that meaning which they (other Muslims ) give. According to us ,the term KUFFIR is applicable after a certain limit. When a person consider ISLAM as his religion and quranic commands as his manual of action , he gets the right of being called as the MUSLIM but in TRUE SENSE he becomes MUSLISM when he acts on the Islamic teachings, but when he denies of some fundamental of islam then HE IS CALLED A MULSLIM but in TRUE SENSE he does not remain a Muslim ”
      “we do not consider KAFFIR is the one who rejects Hazrat MUHAMMAD (saw) as a prophet – when some one say that I believe in hazrat Muhammad (saw) then who else can say that you do not believe in hazrat Muhamamd (saw)… in our opinion denying of some fundamental of islam is KUFFIR and such a person cannot be a TRUE MUSLIM ”

      Most importantly he (rz) said

      “if that definition of KUFFIR is used which these Muslims do , then , according to that definition , in our opinion , there is no KAFFIR in Christians , Hindus , Jews, and other non muslims ”

      Above is taken from the sermon of hazrat mirza basher ul deen (rz).

      http://alislam.org/urdu/khm/KM16-17.pdf

      above sermon is clearly telling us that according the hazrat Musleah Maood ‘s (rz) a person will remain Muslim . however, he does not remains a true Muslim . Denial of hazrat messiah Maood (as) makes the musilm a kaffir in that sense and not in the sense of non Muslim .
      a person becomes a NON MUSILIM only when he says that I am leaving the islam , until he calls himself a muslims no one has the right to make him non muslim.

      • That’s right, you have no right to try and steal Islam from us and eject us from it. That’s what Israeli settlers do. They evict people with grater claim on the land from their own homes through force, and occupy them. Thank God we are not quite in that position, but it’s not like you aren’t giving that your best shot.

        • Once again Ahmadis play with the words. Whether its compulsory, prophet, Kafir…or whatever..Ahmadis use these words in a different sense then the known universe.

          • This all started due to M.G.A and his mentally confused teachings and lies. Now the followers are continuing in the same tradition. I hope that they have some fear of GOD before making things up in the name of ISLAM.

          • problem is no one is playing with words , but you are unable to understand it .
            For it i cannot do nothing. . .

        • @Shahid

          the main point which i discussed earlier and make it clear again that No one is throwing you out of islam .

          calling someone KAFFIR and NON MUSLIM is different thing.
          A person , being a Muslim can commit KUFFAR ,

          as this hadith makes it clear.
          إن العهد الذي بيننا وبينهم الصلاة فمن تركها فقد كفر

          Kuffair here is in contrast with MOMEN .
          it is not the opposite of NON MUSLIM . . .

    • Didnt you guys (the LAM) have 4 Khalifas at one point? Do you need references? And…if you dont know, MGAQ wrote in a letter to Abdul Hakeem Khan that all Muslims who dont accept his (MGAQ) message are Kafir, irregardless if they have heard his (MGAQ) name or not.

      You are a victim my friend. A victim of the Mirza family. Instead of creating your own version of Mirzology you should just return to Islam. It’s sooo much better. You dont have to blindly follow some opium/mercury laden mind from Punjab either.

  4. Its Makafat-e-Amal…., MMA declared the Muslims as Kafirs in the early part of the 20th century. This came round to bite them in 1974, when the National Assembly of Pakistan unanimously declared them to be outside the fold of Islam, in effect a new religion which they actally are just like the Baha’is. The difference being that the Baha’is were honest enough to say they are a new religion whereas the Ahmaddiya continue to claim themselves to be the true Muslims labelling the actual ones as Kafirs.

    • please keep in the mind that hazrat Messiah Maood (as) was termed Kaffir earlier then , in response hazrat Messiah Maood (as) issued the fatwa against them because of the verdict of the hazrat Muhammad (saw) that whoever call other kaffir will become kaffir himself if the other person is not kaffir.

      do not twist the history ,

      • What about the “grand liars” that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) warned us about ? Don’t you see that clearly M.G.A and his confused teaching more than qualify for this status ?

      • I think u dont read ur own books Khalid:

        coz according to Mirza Mahmud:
        After this, I went on to prove from the writings of the Promised Messiahas that those who did not explicitly style the Promised Messiahas as a kafir but nor did they accept his claim, were to be classed with those who styled him as a kafir; so also were
        those who only waited for fuller information and put off entering into his Bai‘at
        (Truth about Spilit page 148)

        • Mahmud Ahmad even drew a paralel in the same book as mentioned by XIA when he mentioned the case of the Eskimos and Hotenots, as he wrote that EVEN these people became Kafir upon the arrival of Muhammad (saw). Then he argued the a paralel in the case of MGAQ.

          And…I already explained to Khalid that it was in the 1930’s when Mahmud Ahmad backpeddled. We have already covered this topic. I have already proven everything. Khalid is in a state of denial.

    • @ Masood

      I have never heard of Makafat-e-Amal. What other data do you have on this book?

      • Makafat-e-Amal is a saying in Urdu which literally means “if you do something negative, nature will give you a similar result after a period of time”.

  5. HONESTY AND FAIRNESS DEMANDS THAT WHEN EVER RATIONALIST USES WORD “AHMADIS” HE SHOULD CLARIFY IT AND MAKE IT KNOWN THAT HE MEANS “QADIANI-AHMADIS”. SO I CORRECT HIS ABOVE POST FOR UNDERSTANING OF FELLOW-MUSLIMS:

    “Once again [QADIANI-]Ahmadis play with the words. Whether its compulsory, prophet, Kafir…or whatever..[QADIANI-]Ahmadis use these words in a different sense then the known universe.”

    • Lahoris are fake ahmadis. You people are in a state of denial. Your story is like that of a battered woman who clings to her husband even though he beat her and took all of her money and intellect.

      Muslims didnt even accept you in 1974 because of your LOOSE affiliations with MGAQ, the opium/mercury crazed fake messiah of the POONJAB. And yes…the LAM tried their hand at khilafat, and the funny thing is 2 out 4 of the chosen khalifas reverted to Ahmadiyyat and submitted to Mahmud Ahmad before their death.

      try again..

  6. IN NAME OF FAIRNESS I NEED TO CORRECT M.K. THAT HIS FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS NOT FAIR, BECAUSE IF IT WAS THE CASE THEN HOWCOME LAHORI-AHMADIS DO NOT HOLD BELIEFS LIKE QADIANIS???
    THE CASE IS SIMILAR TO CHRISTIANS HAVING BELIEF WHICH IS CONTRARY TO REAL TEACHINGS OF JESUS A.S., AS MUSLIMS BELIEVE. HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF. WHAT HAPPENED IN CASE OF JESUS A.S. SAME IS HAPPENING IN CASE OF MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD:
    “This all started due to M.G.A and his mentally confused teachings and lies. Now the followers are continuing in the same tradition. I hope that they have some fear of GOD before making things up in the name of ISLAM.”

    • Oh gosh! Mushtaq malik is back. The reason that Lahoris dont hold the same beliefs as Ahmadis is because you people lost the Khilafat and then adjusted the CULT strategy as you deemed fit, consequently Ali wasnt a fan of miracles. I hope that solves the riddle of your life. A thank you would be in order.

      You claim that history is repeating itself in the case of the Messiahs. That is absurd! FYI: Allah suspended the mission of Esa (as), upon Esa’s (as) second return he would succeed in creating peace and tranquility, he would eliminate Christianity and Judaism one way or the other, no one would jizya because everyone would be Muslim and would pay Zakaat. Maybe by witnessing this fantastic event (nuzool) many would give up their false religions.

      ^ That my “special needs” friend is the story of the return of Esa (as) in a nutshell. Your paralels are never actually paralel, they consist of theory that is drenched in mercury and opium. Its called Marham-i-Esa (nauzobillah) by your fake messiah. He smoked it or injected it daily. Muhammad Ali must have been forced fed this potion.

      Sorry…

    • First of all there is no comparison between noble Prophet of Allah (s.w.t) Jesus (peace be upon him) and M.G.A the master of deception and fraud. Some Christians many not believe in Jesus (pbuh) but at least no one neither Muslims nor Christians insulted Jesus (pbuh) the way M.G.A did. I hope you know this.

  7. To be honest personally I couldn’t care less if someone is Qadiani, Lahori, Jumba or Green member! Mirza Ghulam Qadiani made many insults against Prophet Muhammad SAW and for all mirzai’z to continue to follow him they are truly sick!

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    In one of Mirza Qadiani’s letters, published in Al-Fadl (22nd Febreuary 1924) newspaper, Mirza Qadiani fabricated a great lie and slander when he wrote that the Prophet Muhammad Suall Allahu ‘Alayhi WaSallam and his beloved Companions RadhiAllahu ‘Anhum would eat cheese made by Christians in which it was well-known that pig’s fat was an ingredient.

    Is this not a clear blasphemy in regards to Prophet Muhammad Suall Allahu ‘Alayhi WaSallam and his beloved Companions RadhiAllahu ‘Anhum?

    After reading this letter written by Mirza Qadiani, does there remain any doubt about the kufr and blasphemies of Mirza Qadiani?

    Is this blasphemy, or not? Is this kufr, or not? I leave it to the Qadianis to decide.

    This will clearly shows whether Mirza Qadiani would love or hate the Prophet Muhammad Suall Allahu ‘Alayhi WaSallam.

  8. Rationalist continues to experience hangover from opium overdose rx’ed by qadiani Khalifas when he was their blue-eyed-boy.
    He writes:
    “Muslims didnt even accept you in 1974 because of your LOOSE affiliations with MGAQ, the opium/mercury crazed fake messiah of the POONJAB. And yes…the LAM tried their hand at khilafat, and the funny thing is 2 out 4 of the chosen khalifas reverted to Ahmadiyyat and submitted to Mahmud Ahmad before their death.”

    TWO WORDS:
    UTTER NON-SENSE!

  9. @M.K.
    “no one neither Muslims nor Christians insulted Jesus (pbuh) the way M.G.A did. I hope you know this.”

    Bro think how it is possible for Mirza Ghulam Ahmad [MGA] to insult Isa A.S. When he [MGA] called himself ‘like of Isa A.S.’????

    • Well, this is exactly what we are trying to say…….. that he was mentally confused person and his language was vulgar………!

      On one hand he elevated himself and tried to take position of Isa (a.s) and on the other hand he ridiculed Isa (a.s) and his mother Mary (a.s) to such an extent that even the worst enemies will not do it.

      Therefore, he cannot be considered a decent person leave alone being a prophet. There is no doubt about M.G.A’s lies and vulgar language……….., but the real question is how can you claim to be intelligent persons when you believe in a man like this??????????????? This is the real question.

  10. @ TruthUnveiled says:
    November 24, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Dear brother, i don’t blame you if you are made after reading such quote. Believe me i’m more made than you.
    Do you also know that Qadiani Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad in his friday sermon said, (Nauzubilah min zalaq) “There were charges of adultery on Rasul Allah SAW in his life time”. It was so blasphamy that very next friday maulana Muhammad Ali gave friday Khutaba to tell Qadiani Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad to SHUT-UP AND STOP HIS NON-SENSE. He asked him to AT LEAST SPARE THE HOLY LIFE OF RASUL ALLAH SAW.

    Knowing about qadiani Khalifa 2 Mirza mahmud ahmad, i have NO DOUBT in saying that this letter/ quote MUST ALSO BE ONE OF THOSE QADIANI KHALIFA 2 MIRZA MAHMUD AHMAD FRAUD AND LIES TO JUSTIFY HIS OWN IMMORAL LIFE IN EYES OF HIS STUPID QADIANI FOLLOWERS!!!!

    • Firstly it wasn’t the 2nd cult leader who wrote that letter it was his lying, evil father, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani A.K.A Kazzab, Dajjal, Kafir who wrote that filth so don’t make lame excuses because all you Mirzai’z are just as bad as one another purely for the fact you follow the Worst Creature Under The Sky!

      Mirza Ghulam Iblees BLASPHEMED on MANY MANY occassions, he insulted Allah swt, Prophet Muhammad SAW, Sayidina Isa AS and his mother and many more others.

      Mirza Kazzab Dajjal, insulted Sayidina Isa AS purely for the fact that he was embarrassed by Abdullah Atham during the debate when he was asked to heal a blind, deaf & paralyzed person. Obviously because Mirza Kazzab was a FAKE, IMPOSTER & CHARLATAN he couldn’t perform any miracles and was humiliated in that debate so he resorted to filthy abuses!

      p.s don’t come back with you lame excuse of “He was talking about the YASSU of the Christians” like all your Mirzai’z do and ‘IF’ he did direct his words to the Jesus of the Christians then it means he ONCE AGAIN went totally AGAINST the Quran, as Allah SWT says:
      [6:108] And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge.

      p.p.s You Lahori Mirzai’z openly admitted that Mirza Dajjal use to commit adultery “occassionally” so it just shows how ridiculous you are to believe that such an evil man could be a mujaddid, messiah or mahdi!

  11. @TruthUnveiled:

    Bro, YOU ARE ASSUMING that such letter was written “by” Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib.
    As far as Qadiani Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad is concerned he has HIMSELF said in speeches much worse, about Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW, than the letter you presented.
    KNOWING ABOUT QADIANI KHALIFA 2 MODUS OPERANDI I HAVE NO DOUBT, THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN AND WHOLE DRAMA WAS STAGED BY NONE OTHER THAN QADIANI KHALIFA 2 MIRZA MAHMUD AHMAD.
    He use to do all this to make GROUND for justification of his own HARAM foods e.g. ALCOHOL, to eat and drink, in eyes of his stupid followers. He even accused his own father of adultery. So, dear you can expect any thing from a person like Qadiani Khalifa 2 who had sex with his biological daughters and sons. Qadiani Khalifa 2 duaghters and sons had said on record that their father had sex with them.

    • Well we all know the immoral and bad characters of both the father and son. This is something which the Qadianis have to understand that they are trapped in a cult with such bad examples which they are blindly following. This could very well be the grounds for their life in danger in the hereafter unless they turn to Islam and leave this cult for good.

  12. @ TruthUnveiled says:
    November 25, 2010 at 6:54 pm
    “p.p.s You Lahori Mirzai’z openly admitted that Mirza Dajjal use to commit adultery “occassionally” so it just shows how ridiculous you are to believe that such an evil man could be a mujaddid, messiah or mahdi!”

    Dear brother,
    YOU KNOW ALLAH SWT IS WATCHING YOU WHAT YOU TYPE HERE. AND LIKE EVERYONE, YOU WILL BE ANSWERING TO ALLAH FOR WHAT YOU WROTE.
    SO, IN THE NAME OF HONESTY AND JUSTICE, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ASK LAHORI-AHMADI SPOKESMAN ON INTERENET DR. ZAHID AZIZ ON THE LAHORI-AHMADI BLOG WWWdotAHMADIYYAdotORG.
    YOU SHOULD ASK HIM IF LAHORI-AHMADIS BELIEVE WHAT YOU HAVE ATTRIBUTED TO THEM!!!
    And then please let us know what he replied AFTER taking an Oath with invitation of Allah’s warth and punishment on you, and your entire family.

    • I have an easy question for you:

      1. Why doesnt Zahid Aziz just blog here? Wouldnt that solve all of the equations of your life? Didnt Waqar expose all of the Ahmadiyya Doctrine in terms of Esa (as)? Why didnt Zahid answer to that?

      2. Stop bringing us your stories of victimization. Im sorry that you were treated unfairly by the son of your Messiah. Its 2010 for God’s sake! Move on!

      Are you accusing me of fabricating a reference to your 3 khalifas? Here it is:

      Maulvi Mohammad Ali, and his friends, have repudiated the Khilafat of the second Successor of the Promised Messiah; but during his Amart, the
      Lahore Section elected three Khalifas, in the sense acceptable in their eyes,
      namely, Maulvi Ghulam Husain of Peshawar, Syed Hamid Shah of Sialkot, and
      Khawaja Kamaluddin. (Paigham-i-Sulha, March 24, 1914) (see also, Truth Prevails, Preface section)

      It was 3 instead of the 4 that I wrote, I appear to have forgot the exact number.

  13. @Rationalist:
    “Maulvi Mohammad Ali, and his friends, have repudiated the Khilafat of the second Successor of the Promised Messiah; but during his Amart, the
    Lahore Section elected three Khalifas, in the sense acceptable in their eyes,
    namely, Maulvi Ghulam Husain of Peshawar, Syed Hamid Shah of Sialkot, and
    Khawaja Kamaluddin. (Paigham-i-Sulha, March 24, 1914) (see also, Truth Prevails, Preface section)”

    WHO SO EVER WROTE ABOVE, WROTE AFTER HAVING A GOOD DOSE OF MARIJUANA (POT)….HALLUCINATIONS.

  14. Dr. Zahid Aziz is a very busy person. Beside his regular job he is busy in translating and writing articles/ books. Moderating LAM blog takes lots of his time. So, to save his time, he has policy of NOT visiting/writing other blogs. Moreover if some genuine question is asked, he answrs with references and research, and posts on LAM blog. This keeps his research safe and permanent on LAM blog. Moreover, more people can benifit from the information on LAM blog.

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