Bismillah, alhumdu lillah, wa Salaatu wa salaam ‘ala rasool Allah
A little more than a year ago, I engaged in an internet debate with one of the leading students in Jamia Ahmadiyya, the Ahmadi missionary school located in Canada. What started as a single video released on YouTube sparked a long series of video debates against Ahmadi theology in favor of traditional Islamic belief. The video debate culminated when he released a 21-part series in defense of Ahmadiyya, upon which we (Orthodox and I) replied with a 19-part series in defense of Islam. In the end, the missionary was ordered by his community to remove his videos.
That much you might already know. Here’s what you don’t know…
How did it start?
Months prior to my first video, I took a introductory course on ‘Ulūm al-Qur’ān (“Sciences” of the Qur’an) and had subsequently read Shaykh Yasir Qadhi’s An Introduction to the Sciences of the Qur’aan and Ahmad von Deffner’s ‘Ulūm al-Qur’ān. (Here’s another book on this subject, but I haven’t read it.) This introduced me to a subject I still have very cursory knowledge on: the different recitation styles of the Qur’ān. This is the knowledge of the various ways that the Qur’an can be recited, consisting of slightly different words, accent marks, pronunciation styles, tajweed rules, shades of meanings, etc. The variant readings of the Qur’an are all legitimate, as they all originated from the Prophet Muhammad, prayers and peace be upon him.
In particular, Shaykh Yasir in his book specifically cites that 9 of the recitation styles of the Qur’an use the words Khātim al-Nabiyyin [notice the kasra on the ta'] meaning ‘last of the prophets’, whereas only 1 authentic recitation says Khātam al-Nabiyyin [notice the fat'ha on the ta']. While they can convince their followers that khātam does not mean ‘last’, khātim unambiguously means ‘last’, even according to Mirza Bashir-ud-Deen Ahmad, in his book Invitation to Ahmadiyyat. This was the fuel I needed, an argument they had never seen before!
What happened?
I released an initial video talking about how variant readings of the Qur’ān say khātim, and how it means ‘last’. The reception was overwhelming. I had no idea there were so many Ahmadis on YouTube!
While my video was exclusively about the finality of prophethood, I received many many comments demanding that I prove that ‘Esa bin Maryam, peace be upon him, is still alive. At this time, I was confused as to why they were changing the topic to something I did not even argue for or against in my video.
Then came the ‘Mullah’ comments- and they were relentless. Comments along the lines of “you are just a mullah”, or “you learned all this from the mullahs” or that I was a “jahil mullah”. It seemed as if every 3rd word was “mullah”. That was difficult to deal with because I definitely don’t have thick skin. On occasion, I’d ask “So, which of my teachers in particular are you referring to that is jahil mullah.” The answer would always be someone from Pakistan that I had never heard of.
Finally were Ayyaz’s videos. (You might notice that I referred to him as Mahmood. That is because I initially did not want to say his actual name over YouTube. But then when he himself said his first name, I felt that it was okay. Remember, its not personal!!) Ayyaz is a student at the Ahmadi missionary school, and thus had some credibility in their faith. He presented the first real response to my initial video and follow up questions. I was taken back by his confidence and arguments. Some of his initial arguments even stumped me. I responded back, but my initial responses were poor and he made short-work of them. I figured that was the end of it.
Then one night, ex-Ahmadi-turned-Muslim Farhan Qureshi (Orthodox) called me. He asked me if I would continue with my videos and even offered to help me. I initially declined, but seeing his desire for me to continue, I agreed to continue with his help. It was now a tag-team.
We met a local masjid (coincidently, very close to an Ahmadi center) and made our video response. The Ahmadi missionary responded. We volleyed back. After another round, he took a long break. I thought that was the end of it. No, he released a 21-part video series, roughly two and a half hours of solid video footage of him defending the Ahmadi positions. I initially had no desire whatsoever to watch all 21-parts to produce a time consuming response. But after talking to Orthodox, some friends, and some personal reflection, I decided it was time to reply to the Ahmadi missionary. With months of research and fact-finding, we released our own 19-part refutation of his video series.
That was the end of the saga. He never replied…
My Research
What most people do not know is the amount of research that went into my 19-part response (and book). This was not simply a cut-and-paste exercise from various websites. I physically traveled to multiple libraries, including Georgetown University, George Washington University, Library of Congress, Qortoba Institute’s library and many other books I purchased. I read books, took notes, found logical and factual inconsistencies, and compiled all of my findings in a single coherent form.
For example, it took at least 3 months to track down obscure dictionaries that the Malik Ghulam Farid cited in his Ahmadi-specific dictionary of Arabic. I found that not a single dictionary he cited supported his translation of the word khātam as “best” or “most perfect”- not one! And I challenge any Ahmadi to prove me wrong, as I still have the scanned pages from those dictionaries. In fact, they all supported the Islamic understanding.
I found that all of those whom the Ahmadis believe are Mujaddideen explicitly held positions against the continuation of prophethood. It was tedious and difficult to track down all of these books, find the appropriate section, have them professionally translated and perform an analysis. But it was worth it.
My Thoughts on the Missionary’s Videos
Ayyaz’s videos were meant to defend the Ahmadi belief in the continuation of prophets. Therefore, he responded with a plethora of arguments, many of which I had never heard before. I found it frustrating that he very briefly responded to my main argument and instead jumped to side issues that I did not even bring up. My initial argument was briefly responded to in three highly inconsistent ways:
- The alternate Qira’āt are just “mispronunciations”, and the “actual” word is khātam – This response is factually incorrect, but I suspect it resonated with most Ahmadis.
- The alternate Qira’āt are not legitimate at all, and if anyone even suggested they are legitimate, the rest of the Muslim world would “spit on his face” (his exact words) – Yes, a reversal of the earlier response
- Because Imam ‘Ali, peace be upon him, taught the Qira’ with the word khātam, this means khātim is incorrect – This is the argument of Maulvi Adam Walker, an Ahmadi leader, but does not negate my argument, as I acknowledged that both khātam and khātim are both correct.
The rest of his content was arguments that I did not even bring up. For example, I never once argued that Ibrahim, the son of the Prophet, prayers and peace be upon him, died because Allah “made a mistake” and allowed him to be born. But, I found myself being forced to cite this hadith. I never once talked about the argument from Surah al-Nisa’, but after he brought it up, I had to respond.
In one video, he asked me to prove why I believe ‘Esa bin Maryam, peace be upon him, was still alive. I understand that this is their main pillar of faith, but frankly, I never once argued that he lived or died. It is as if they think this one belief will legitimize the entire faith. I simply ignored it. I chose the finality of prophethood as the battle-ground and intended to stick to it.
While our videos were academic in nature, his videos were tinted with emotionalism and the “come on, you know we’re right” attitude. I sensed frustration in his voice and his comments definitely reflected anger. (Read his comments to see what I mean.) Thankfully, this is absent in the current two main Ahmadi defenders who are by far more rational and logical.
Why did he remove his videos?
If you check Ayya’z channel, you will see that all of his debate videos were taken down. Why? In a brief e-mail exchange, he informed me that while he felt that he could have responded to my videos, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, their self-declared ‘khalifah’, issued a circular to Ahmadis to remove all videos so that they could regulate the flow of content about Ahmadiyya.
I tip my hat to Ayyaz for having the humility to obey his leaders. I don’t know if I would be able to do that. But I find it pathetic that the ‘khalifah’ would regulate the free exchange of debate. They are forbidden from publicly debating, which makes it difficult to openly challenge them.
I also found it comical that his videos proceeded with a disclaimer that these are not the official views of Ahmadiyya, as if that makes any bit of difference. It is simply their way to limit liability and distance themselves in the event that they lose. It reminds me of the root-meaning of the نفق (nafaqa), which refers to the alternate hole desert-snakes make in the sand to have another way out if attacked. In the minds of most Ahmadis, that two-second disclaimer might as well not have been there.
What I would have done differently?
Are there things I wish I could change? Most certainly!
While my main point was entirely valid and never refuted, it was too technical for the average Ahmadi (or even the average Muslim) to understand. The study of the Qira’āt is a very specialized area of Islamic studies, reserved for serious students of Islamic knowledge. While Muslims should have at least a basic understanding, its not something taught in your Saturday school masjid class. Thus, this argument probably went over the heads of most people.
Having said that, I really wish there was a way I could have prevented Ayyaz from bringing up unrelated arguments. I don’t know why he did that. My series started with 1 and only 1 argument, yet he chose to bring out every argument for the continuation he had. This forced me to refute all of them (and we did), but it took away from the overall presentation of the main argument.
My language could have used some work. I meant to be genuinely polite, but had some problems. For example, I started my videos with “as-salaam ‘alaykum to all of the Muslims and warm and respectful greetings to the Ahmadis”. That’s probably a technically legitimate introduction, but it lacked wisdom as it came off as condescending. I have since changed it.
Oh…and at times, our presentation could have used some work.
Conclusions
Perhaps the biggest conclusion was that it showed that Muslims will not simply back-down when Ahmadis present their arguments. I suspect that Ayyaz did not anticipate my continued responses to his videos. In private chat, he would try to silence me by insisting there was no response to his arguments and would not want to hear my responses.
YouTube’s insight tracker showed that those videos were highly watched in Ahmadi hotspots, including the the Greater Toronto Area, London, Karachi, Islamabad, Maryland, Chicago and even Germany! I certainly didn’t spawn a revolution, but I did make its splash. I started receiving e-mails, either in praise or opposition. I heard stories of Ahmadis questioning the Murabbis, demanding decent answers to my arguments. I received many emails of people who had become Muslims, such as this one. I even heard of one Ahmadi who became an atheist!
It also awakened the YouTube SultanulQalam team, which specifically addresses my popular videos.
Going forward in my Da’wah campaign, I plan on making my videos simpler and less technical. My position about debate has become that of Imam al-Ghazali in his Deliverance from Error who said “Anyone who thinks that the unveiling of truth is through rational arguments underestimates the immensity of the divine favor”. Thus, my new videos are only intended to get Ahmadis to think, rather than arguments. Most Ahmadis are stunningly ignorant of Muslim communities, stereotyping Muslim scholars as all ‘jahil mullahs’ and the masses as astray. I plan on showing them that this is not at all the case.
May Allah continue to guide Ahmadis from Ahmadiyya to Islam, increase me in knowledge, and free Masjid al-Aqsa.
wa sallahu ‘ala saydina Muhammad wa ‘ala alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam
Bro Farhan,
Your video series and book are very helpful for ahmadis and muslims both
thats why I always keep linking ppl to them
Why Ayaz removed the videos and others kept them on youtube?
are you in contact with ayaz or not? I hope he see the clear proofs given by you and come to Islam one day Inshallah
please do write more books if possible
keep up the good work
Salam
I am not aware of the videos, but may I ask if Ibn Abbas (Ra) was cited at any point instructing someone very specifically to recite Khaatam with fat’h on the letter Taa?
That does not negate the other styles, that was only the style the great scholar of the Qur’an Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas (RA) preferred. Other Sahaba used other styles.
Go to http://www.altafsir.com
Click on the link “Ilm al-Qira’at” on the right side.
Pick any recitation style you prefer. The only one that says Khaatam is the Hafs style. The rest say Khaatim.
This is NOT NOT NOT to discredit Hafs (the most common style). People think that I’m somehow saying Hafs is wrong. No, Hafs is my own style. I’m only bringing to people’s attention the existence of the other styles and showing that they’re ALL legitimate. But like I said, most people are not aware of this area of study and end up dismissing it.
well u are not the first one to point towards it ? are u ?
Even hazrat Mirza basher ahmad (rz) in his book mentioned that qirat as well.
and remember with the qirat when u say that the meaning of the khatim is the LAST prophet , and u think u have solved the mystery then there is a hadith which is enough to answer your this remark.
رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَإِنِّي آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ وَإِنَّ مَسْجِدِي آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ
when hazrat Muhammad (saw) have defined himself as LAST and his own mosque as the LAST .
but even then mosques are built and millions have been built so far then MEANING of the LAST OF THE PROPHET cannot stop the coming of a subordinate prophet in the ummat of the hazrat Muhammad (saw) at all.
Two points:
A) This is khaatim, not aakhir. Mirza bashir-ud-Deen said that had it been ‘khaatim al-nabiyyin’ it would have meant ‘last of the prophets’. Check out the reference in the preliminaries of “Invitation to Ahmadiyyat”
B) Consider this narration:
أنا خاتم الأنبياء ومسجدي خاتم مساجد الأنبياء وأحق المساجد أن يزار ويشد إليه الرواحل مسجد الحرام ومسجدي، وصلاة في مسجدي أفضل من ألف صلاة فيما سواه إلا المسجد الحرام
“I am the seal of the prophets and my masjid is the seal of the masjids of the prophets, and the most worthy of masjids to be visited and for luggage to be tied up are Masjid al-Haram and my masjid. And prayer in my masjid is better than one thousand prayers in which are besides it, except Masjid al-Haram.”
C) I wrote about this in my book “With Love to the Ahmadis of the World”. You should check it out.
err, three points
1) Actually i was not quoting my second caliph but hazrat mirza basher ahmad (rz), brother of my second caliph
2) if u do not know i answered that hadith and also invited ur comments by sending u private message .
however, either u did not got the message or u did not have the time .
so i think it is better to re write that response again for you here
its a long answer u can read it here . u can see that how your side cleverly ignored the points and dragged other stuff inside .
http://thecult.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=513&start=10
3)ok i shall read it again
^ I thought i told this clown to reference in english so that it could be double checked and verified.
And why do you argue that nothing stops a subordinate prophet from showing up? Is that even a serious contention?
The Quran calls a prophet a prophet, as muslims we dont differentiate between them. They all get their revelation from Gabriel, they are all independent, their revelations are made part of our prayers, and they have the ability to adjust laws as needed, or as guided by allah.
Your daddy MGA doesnt fall into this category, its quite simple.
can i ask admin to take notice of the wording of rationliast against hazrat Messiah Maood (as)
While I am against what I consider the Kufr of Mirza, let’s try to use terms that are most effective in bringing them to Islam. Calling him a ‘clown’ might act as a deterrent.
Excuse me if I call MGA as “your daddy”, but this guy was involved in defrauding my entire family for over 2 million dollars, and thats over a 100 year period involving over 200 family members.
Do you expect me to be polite? Was MGA polite when he called other peoples mothers as harlots and things like that? One of you ahmadis even justified MGA’s cursing by citing Muhammad (saw) (nauzobillah) and thus justifying MGA’s atttitude. Whereas, Muhammad (saw) was upset that some Kafirs who had murdered muslims without justification, and even then he asked for Allah to invoke his curse upon them, he didnt attack the sanctity of their mothers. But, MGA didnt curse people who murdered ahmadis, he cursed them because they rejected him and his silly books.
I have been traumatized by my experience as an ahmadi. I was hoodwinked, lollygagged, gaffled, robbed, enslaved, i’ve been had, i’ve been took, bamboozled, led astray, run a muck, and you expect me to be calm and collected and respectful?
They gave us MGA’s books to pacify us, they gave us a fake Quran to pacify us, they gave is a fake Jesus to pacify us, they gave us a fake prophethood to control us, they dropped a khilafat on us to control us financially…
Are you serious? I asked you to simply reference in english….Im gonna bother you, im gonna irk you, im gonna be that thorn in your side.
Lutf…
Just quit ahmadiyyat…its better for you. Islam is sooo beautiful.
Here’s an idea. Ask the ahmadiyya heirarchy to render accounts for the USA. Ask them to see where the money goes and see what they say. How much was donated
Farhan did beautiful work. Mahmud Ahmad didnt have the scholarly ability to fully research the topic of khatam vs. khatim. Either that or he willfully with-held the data. I tend to think that he willfully withheld the data, i base that on his past history of lying in terms of referencing material.
The interpretation of the words does not change based on the pronunciation. The oldest Qurans that are in existence dont even have these marks which are used for pronunciation.
I actually researched the occurence of khatim vs. khatam in the Quran. I will post my research results soon.
Good Work MashAllah.
Just wanted to comment on the following point you made:
“I had no idea there were so many Ahmadis on YouTube!”
And these Ahmadi’s tell us that we should stop spending time on internet and stop doing what we are doing, i.e., educating people to come to the real Islam and leave the falsehood of Ahmadiyyat.
MashaAllah brother Farhan, that was a good read. May Allah (SWT) increase us all in knowledge. Your point about the Qira’at is solid and logical. Have any Ahmadis actually understood the point you are making and addressed this (maybe by PM on YouTube) without dismissing it by either miscomprehension or digression?
It has been addressed, but never refuted. Maulvi Adam Hani Walker, in his book “Finality of Prophethood” did address this issue, but it was not *refuted*. He used point (C) in my article, which Ayyaz copied literally word-for-word.
While I have the PDF of that Ahmadi book saved, they seemed to have removed the original book from their website. I was not able to find it. On a side note, while he is wrong on just about every point, I actually liked the Maulvi’s writings.
Yes, that’s the reason I said addressed and not refuted because they can’t actually refute it (they can try and twist it but never refute it). I was just curious as to which typical tactic they would employ to try and brush it off… So they use Hazrat Ali (RA) as justification hmm. As youhave stated in your article, it is something we agree with but it does not in any way invalidate your point.
I wonder why they removed the book from the website. We all know how they edit books and remove certain quotes or add footnotes to justify nonesense but removing the whole book is a first!
Anyway brother Farhan, good article. May Allah (SWT) continue blessing you and your family. Amin.
Even if they are twisting their own books and the insane material , that wouldnt help them right ? Im sure muslims already have all the original content saved with them ? I heard from a friend that he gave that 1000 la’nah reference to some ahmadi and the ahmadi just replied that its not there. So yeah they might have started editing their books.
I wonder how the next generation of ahmadis is going to believe that we have their original material while they dont .
@Farhan
رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَإِنِّي آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ وَإِنَّ مَسْجِدِي آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ
This hadith is quite clear, we wanna learn that in what meaning hazrat Muhamamd (saw) used the word آخِرُ
he (saw)said آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ which literary mean i am the last of the prophet.
Very Happily these people who always hated the prophets of GOD , say that now this is a proof that no new prophet can come because hazrat Muhammad (saw) is the last of Prophets.
but when we see the second part , we learn
he (saw) also said آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ ,i.e My Mosques is last of the mosques but we all know that this آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ does not mean that Masjdi nabvi was the last mosque built in the world
we know that millions of the mosques are built after it , then is the statement of the hazrat Muhammad (saw) is nauzo billah a false statement ?
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Ahmadiyyat view
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Ahmadies says whatever the meaning u give to the آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ , u have to give that meaning to آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ as well, as both the words are used in the same sense.
Ahmadies argue that when muslims build mosques then what happen to the saying of the prophet hazrat Muhammad (saw) that is My mosque is آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ (last of the mosque )
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we argue that if the After the last mosques, millions of the mosques can be built and they do not violate the status of the Last mosque of Masjid e nabvi Then if millions other prophets come who follow the prophet Muhammad (saw) and are his (saw) subordinate they will not take the status of LAST prophet from the hazrat Muhammad (saw) at all.
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But they , then , present the following hadith to prove his false point.
قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أنا خاتم الأنبياء ومسجدي خاتم مساجد الأنبياء
Now the reasoning is
In first hadith just the word is used آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ
قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَإِنِّي آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ وَإِنَّ مَسْجِدِي آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ
But this آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ is redefined with مساجد الأنبياء in the hadith mentioned above.
That means Masjedi Nabvi is for sure LAST mosque but
It is not the last MOSQUE for all the TYPES OF MOSQUES but it is thelast MOSQUE of just MOSQUES of the prophets .
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So we learn a very interesting rule that if just the word MOSQUE is used as is used in first hadith آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ,
does not mean that mean ALL THE MOSQUES. But it could also mean just ONE KIND OF MOSQUE.
so these muslims SAY we should give آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ meaning of مساجد الأنبياء
We shall use the same rule and apply it on the first part of both hadith as well that is آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ can also meanA PARTICULAR KIND OF PROPHET and not ALL TYPE OF PROPHET.
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when Muslim built mosque, as they are not prophet so their Mosques are not the Mosques of the prophet.
So it is not the violation of the STATUS OF THE LAST MOSQUE . Because Masjadi nabvi is not the last mosque from all perspective but it is last Mosque among the mosques build by the Prophets.
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Interesting conclusion
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Above reasoning leads us to yet another conclusion which is , a mosque can be a LAST mosque in one prospective ,
And it can be not the LAST mosque in some other perspective
Masjae Nabvi is LAST mosque in a sense it is LAST among the MOSQUES build by prophets
But Masjdi Nabiv is not LAST mosque as many millions mosques have been built after it as well.
Applying this logic on أنا خاتم الأنبيا part we can deduce that hazrat Muhammad (saw) are last Messenger , not in all the perspective but with the perspective of LAW BEARING PROPHET
@FARHAN
Am I NOT right ?
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Further analysis
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this hadith proves
قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أنا خاتم الأنبياء ومسجدي خاتم مساجد الأنبياء
Our point very very clearly
We say that hazrat Muhammad (saw) is the last Prophet but not the last prophet of all type
But for just those prophets who brought LAW with them .
So if LAST mosque means LAST MOSQUES OF PROPHETS
The LAST PROPHET can also mean LAST OF LAW BEARING PROPHETS
Am I right ?
But off course I should also prove my point using some hadith as well
See this hadith
كنز العمال الإصدار 2.01 – للمتقي الهندي
المجلد الحادي عشر >> أبو بكر الصديق رضي الله عنه
32548- أبو بكر خير الناس إلا أن يكون نبي.
abu Bakar is best of all people , except IF THERE COMES A PROPHET.
سنن ابن ماجه. الإصدار 1,13 – للإمام ابن ماجه
الجزء الأول >> (6) كتاب الجنائز >> (27) باب ما جاء في الصلاة على ابن رَسُول اللَّهِ صَلَى اللَّهُ
عَلَيْهِ وَسلَّمْ وذكر وفاته
–مزيد– وَسلَّمْ وقال: (إن له مرضعاً في الجنة. ولو عاش لكان صديقاً نبياً.
had the Ibrahim lived , he would have been a true prophet
third hadith
صحيح مسلم. الإصدار 2.07 – للإمام مسلم
الجزء الرابع. >> 52 – كتاب الفتن وأشراط الساعة >> 20 – باب ذكر الدجال وصفته وما معه
ويحصر نبي الله عيسى وأصحابه
Prophet essa (as) and his compaion ……….
فيرغب نبي الله عيسى وأصحابه إلى الله.
Prophet essa (as) and his compaion ……….
ثم يهبط نبي الله عيسى وأصحابه إلى الأرض
Prophet essa (as) and his compaion ……….
فيرغب نبي الله عيسى وأصحابه
Prophet essa (as) and his compaion ……….
hazrat Muhammad (saw) called hazrat essa (as) a prophet 4 time .
سُنَنُ أبي دَاوُد، الإصدار 2.02 – للإمامِ أبي دَاوُد
الجزء الثاني >> -36- أول كتاب الملاحم >> -14- باب ذكر خروج الدجَّال
–مزيد– هريرة:
أن النبيَّ -صلى الله عليه وسلم- قال: “ليس بيني وبينه نبيٌّ -يعني: عيسى عليه السلام-
وإنه نازلٌ، فإِذا رأيتموه فاعرفوه
there is not prophet between me and him and he is definitely going to descend.
these hadith speaks clearly that one prophet will come , prophet can come and prophet can come . Even hazrat Muhammad (saw) called the coming prophet 4 times نبي الله (Prophet of the GOD ) .
so keeping these hadith in mind we cannot give نا خاتم الأنبياء such meaning which is against the above hadith .
so as you guys say that
this آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ should be defined with مساجد الأنبياء . So as we need to define آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ keeping the quran and hadith in the mind
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Conclusion
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رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَإِنِّي آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ وَإِنَّ مَسْجِدِي آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ
This hadith gives us a chance to understand the nature of the KHATAMUNABEEN .
Is hazrat Muhammad (saw) ended all type of the prophet hood
And
IS مَسْجِدِي ended all the further construction of the Mosques
No , وَإِنَّ مَسْجِدِي ended just MOSQUES OF THE PROPHET so similarly فَإِنِّي آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَا ended just the LAW BEARING PROPHET HOOD
One type of mosques can be build
So as one type of Propeht can always come in accordance with this ayyat
[4:70] وَمَنْ يُّطِعِ اللّٰهَ وَالرَّسُوْلَ فَاُولٰٓٮِٕكَ مَعَ الَّذِيْنَ اَنْعَمَ اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِمْ مِّنَ النَّبِيّٖنَ وَالصِّدِّيْقِيْنَ وَالشُّهَدَآءِ وَالصّٰلِحِيْنَۚ وَحَسُنَ اُولٰٓٮِٕكَ رَفِيْقًاؕ
And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these.
yeah Our prophet Muhammad (saw) closed all the other doors of blessing , but opened one door , and that door is following his wholeheartedly
this will make his followers , Righteous , Martyrs , Truthful and Prophets as well
so Son of the Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (saw) , if lived , would have become prophet via following the hazrat Muhamamd (saw)
similarl it was destined that one man among the Ummati Muhammad (saw) will become prophet and was given the name Essa Ibne Marrium.
( take from Malik arif answer )
thanks admin for allowing the long post, after posting i was thinking due to its length u might not allow it to be posted
Now Mr farhan , i would like to ask that when u say (using the defunct qirat (am i right calling it defunct? a question )) that hazrat muhammad (saw) is the last Prophet then with which respect ?
i ask it because with some respect hazrat Essa (as) is also a LAST prophet .
like he (as) the last prophet who will come and take the truth i.e Islam to the corner of the world .
like he (as) will be the last Prophet who will wage JIHAD against the nonmuslim
etc etc
i can give many many more qualities with which hazrt essa (as) is the last prophet .
@ khalid nawaz
We have answered every question that you have posted in your box, these have been answered time and time again.
Hazrat Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet to be born! Plain and simple. Hazrat Esa’s(as) return is an exceptional event. Technically, that makes him the final prophet. But that doesnt negate the theory of Muhammad (saw) as the final prophet, its an exceptionary rule. If you follow my writings you will see all the other exceptionary rules that exist in terms of ESA (as).
MGA made a mockery of Islam and its exceptionary rules in terms of ESA (as). MGA poked fun at the technicalities in terms of prophethood and the return of ESA (as).
MGA used a christian arguement against his own people, i.e. the muslims.
rationlist says
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Hazrat Muhammad (saw) was the last prophet to be born! Plain and simple. Hazrat Esa’s(as) return is an exceptional event. Technically, that makes him the final prophet. But that doesnt negate the theory of Muhammad (saw) as the final prophet, its an exceptionary rule.
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do not u know that the same exception could be for one subordinate prophet as well i.e. hazrat Messiah Maood (as) .
also it is the fault of ferhan that he could not understand the importance of the death of the hazrat Essa (as) issue for understanding the Khatmenubuwat.
Its his believe as well that One prophet is coming i.e. hazrat Essa (as) for sure.
He is prophet for sure.
He will command umaate Muhamadi (saw) for sure.
then the difference between ahmadiyyat and you guys is just ascertain the personality of the coming jesus.
When Jesus have died and someone else is coming to the Muslims just like Elij’ah came to the Jews .
then he will be a prophet according the verdict of the Hazrat Muhammad (saw) .
and your all theories regarding the khatim and khatam will become useless.
if Jesus have not died and he himself is coming then your view will be the right one.
we have just to ascertain the death of the jesus to see that whose theory is right and who is wrong .
because both parties agree on the coming of the one prophet.
that prophet , according the ahmadiyyat , will born and will get the prophet hood by following the hazrat Muhammad (saw) .
and the very prophet , according your believe, will come from sky to take the reign of that muslim community which have left with nothing. even none of them is so capable that could produce such a leader among themselves who could guide them to the right path.
like a barren land they have become barren ummat, for whom GOD have saved a prophet for hard time, taking in account their dismal situation in long long future.
but for us , the blessing of the hazrat Muhammad (saw) are eternal and he (saw) did not needed the foreign help for guidance of his ummat .
Khalid,
You are at it again…
I have already answered all of these silly contentions of yours…
We believe in 1 more prophet to be re-sent. He is being recalled, he will return in person to shut down christianity first and foremost, he will do this within 40 years as per authentic hadith. Whereas, ahmadi theology is willing to open the door for 1000′s of new prophets in the ummah (nauzobillah).
Here is the reference:
“Likewise they say that however much a person may advance in virtue and goodness, … but God will never make him a prophet, never raise him to that dignity. Their thinking thus is due to not assigning to Allah the attributes due to Him; otherwise, to say nothing of one prophet, I say there shall be thousands of prophets … They question the prophethood of the Promised Messiah, but I say, even now there can be a prophet.” Anwar-i Khilafat, published in 1916
Get your facts straight before you rant about unfactual things.
He’s not “one more prophet” – he is the same prophet. He is not a new prophet. That’s if you go by the orthodox view. Minor point, but worth making akhi.
Khalid nawaz Prophet (PUBH) talks about coming of Prophet is Hazrat ISA IBN MARYAM(AS)
and we say that hadith means last mosque of prophets coz hadith tells us that
you says last lawbearing prophet but its just out of ur imagination
Khalid, thanks for your post. Length is not an issue. But all of those arguments have already been refuted in my book titled “With love to the Ahmadis of the World”. Is there some new point that I overlooked? I suggest you read my booklet. Chapter 1 and the video series I am speaking about refute those standard arguments…
Akhi, do you have any links to Ayaz’s videos? You must have downloaded them. Or, is there someone else who has those videos on his channel?
Dear Farhan:
As an ex-ahmadi muslim your videos were very inspiring in terms of argumentation and delivery. I was able to see an intelligent muslim as he defended his deen. I was able to grasp what it means to be a muslim as opposed to what it meant to be an ahmadi.
Your videos were well put together and perfectly delivered. You and the other Farhan destroyed all of the ahmadi arguments, whereas Ayyaz kept going off-topic. Ayyaz continously avoided answering your questions and had a knack for bringing up other arguments that were not directly associated to the discussion.
I was an ahmadi for the better portion of my life. The muslims were described to us as the scum of the planet. And the murrabis? They were described as 4 foot monsters that wanted everyone dead.
The ahmadis are a brainwashed band of brothers. Their entire premise for existence is that MGA was a truthful man. This is the foundation of their religion. This is the foundation that Mahmud Ahmad extended. Ahmadis follow a family of miscreants that have spent the last 100 years filling their pockets with the donations of the poor.
My grandfather and father would take from their childrens mouths to pay chanda. They would cut costs in the home to donate to this religion/business. Can u imagine the amount of brainwashing that it took to convince them to do that. When I learned of the inheritance of Tahir Ahmad i was disgusted, i even vomitted. This guy got a 3-bedroom house and 25 acres of land, and much more…and he got a free-ride in college, which he totally blew off. He spent his time hitch-hiking and partying around london from 1955- 1958, they made him the khalifa…thats unbelievable!
Your work is not finished here! We need you to continue to research these issues and present them to the ahmadis. Insha’ allah your work will not go unnoticed. Insha Allah ahmadiyyat will be fully exposed in our lifetime. All of my family are still ahmadis, I will celebrate on the day that ahmadiyyat self destructs and my family returns to Islam.
The Rationalist
Dear Br. Rationalist,
Your comments are highly appreciated. What you have stated are facts, but some Ahmadi’s unfortunately have not realized it yet and we hope one day they will.
Ahmadiyyat is not Islam – brothers and sisters please wake up. You have been mislead by this jammat. Your whole life and aakhira has been put at risk by these misguided and cunning family run businessmen of MGA. All you are doing is paying them the Chanda to misguide you even more and more. MGA was a dishonest person throughout his life and made several false claims, the jamaat knows that and that is why they hide his books and from you. See how the jamaat is leading you astray by not letting you believe in the finality of Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) and by propagating all kinds of misleading propaganda about Haz. Isa (Jesus Christ, pbuh).
MGA said that Isa (AS) went to Kashmir!!! Where is the evidence for this?
In fact MQA wrote such bad things about Jesus (pbuh) and his mother Marian (AS) that it will put anyone to shame if they read it.
How can you believe this sick man, a liar and a fraud as your Prophet?
Now his followers mainly the Jamaat leaders and Khalifa are doing everything they can to show to the World that this is real Islam and how moderate and peaceful they are that they believe in “Love for all and hatred for none” which is nothing but an illusion.
Their real deeds are shameful and sinful. They hide behind these false claims. In each country they get hold of the politicians, brainwash them. Feed them so that they can be fed. Continue to run their scam under the name of Islam.
Remember Allah s.w.t is aware of their misdeeds and they will face their fate on the day of judgement. However, for those of you who do not know about this scam, please take some time to find out the truth. This will likely be the most important decision that you will make in your lives. But onces you come out of the clutches of this jamaat you will see (inshAllah) that Isalm is beautiful and muslims are not that bad as it is being portrayed by the Ahmadiyya jamaat. Please take a step forward and inshAllah you will find that you have made a decision that you will never regret. You know why because Allah s.w.t and his Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will be pleased with you and your whole life would have changed.
Brother Farhan,
My suggestion is that you should send a proper request/invitation to Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat in USA (assuming that you are living in USA) to have a discussion on this issue of word “Khatim”. It will also help you to get introduced to their representatives and may open a communication channel for both sides.
Have you heard of the covenant of the Prophets??
Yes Rashid Khalifah use that to prove himself to be the Prophet