Hadith & Alleged Death of Jesus -7 (In Company of the Dead?)

Qadianis try to make an issue of the fact that the Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) met Jesus (عليه السلام) along with other prophets during his miraculous Night of Ascension (Mi’raj).

The various hadith about the Holy Prophet’s Mi’raj record:

i. “Adam is in the first heaven … Joseph is in the second heaven, and his cousins Yahya (John the Baptist) and Jesus are in the third heaven, and Idris is in the fourth heaven” (Kanz al-Ummal, vol. VI, p. 120).

The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) saw Yahya and Jesus in the same place; and as the former, indeed every other prophet seen, is dead, so must Jesus be.

ii. The above hadith is corroborated by another that tells us that in the Mi’raj vision the Holy Prophet met the spirits of all the previous prophets (Tafisir ibn Kathir, Urdu ed. published in Karachi, vol. III, p. 28).

The Truth:

1) We cannot take the affairs of the Heavenly domain on the lines we take the things here on this Earth for we do not know the exact nature of the affairs of the Other World.

2) Following the Qadiani line of argument one is bound to believe that either Mirza Qadiani ‘died during his life time’ or lied when he said:

“I have seen him (Christ Jesus) many times. On one occasion, Jesus and I ate beef out of the same dish.” (Al-Hakam vol.6 No.29, Dated August 17, 1902 P.12, Tadhkira [Eng.] p. 548 ed. 2009)


“Once while awake I saw the Messenger of Allah (SAAW), along with the Hasnain, Ali (RA) and Fatima (RA) and this was not a dream but a kind of wakefulness.” (Al-Hakam vol.6 No.44, Dated December 10, 1902 p.9)

3) Moreover, if such reasoning makes sense then it would also mean that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) had died when he met the Prophets during Mi’raj. If he can, being alive, meet the ‘dead prophets’ why can Jesus (عليه السلام) not be alive with them? If Mirza Qadiani during his life on Earth can meet Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) and his family members and even join ‘dead Jesus’ in meal than why can’t Jesus (عليه السلام) be alive at a place where other Prophets live after their bodily death?

4) Further, if someone takes Mi’raj only as a vision of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم), and Qadianis take it like that only, then it is more incumbent on him not to take any exception to the idea of Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) meeting Jesus (عليه السلام) along with other prophets at the same place for, vision is only a vision and is most certainly above the bounds of temporal world.

Such are their arguments which they use to confuse innocent minds. But Alhamdulillah we, who know, will continue to expose them.


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8 thoughts on “Hadith & Alleged Death of Jesus -7 (In Company of the Dead?)

    • According to Mirza Ghulam himself

      Almost ALL COMPANIONS (RA) had Ijmah on miraj to be physical

      • Yes, that’s true. While there is one or two statements from the Sahaba otherwise, the consensus of the Sahaba was that it was a physical ascension, not merely a dream or vision. That’s why the Quraysh were so big on this issue. Had it merely been a dream, they would not have cared, but the fact that it was physical amazed them.

        There’s a book titled ‘The Prophet’s Night Journey & Heavenly Ascent’ by Sayyid Muhammad ibn ‘Alawi al-Maliki. Its a good summary of the narrations of the Israa’ and Mi’raj.

        Br Kamal el-Mekki also made an audio recording of the details of the Israa and Mi’raj. I had it on CD, but I’m sure its available online somewhere.

        • that also expose the belief of ahmadiyya that according to Quran person cannot to go heavens physically even if ALLAH wills

    • I just remembered, Ibn Hisham had written that Ayesha said that the HP (saw) had went to heaven in his ruh, or spirit. Now this was not described as a vision or a dream. Ayesha explained this as a “spiritual event”.

      So the ahmadis dont even agree with their reference.

      After I realized this, I concluded that MGA and his co-religionist are just stupid…

    • I found it….

      Here are some research results:

      Hazrat Aisha viewed the miraaj of Muhammad as such:

      1. Muhammads body never left mecca.
      2. Muhammads ruh(soul/spirit) left his body and travelled to heaven.
      3. Muhammads ruh was seperated from his body throughout the duration of this episode.
      4. Aisha didnt differentiate between the miraaj and the isra.

      Conclusion: Aisha did not describe this event as a dream/vision like Muawiyya did. Her account is extremely unique. She described this as an out of body experience.

      In my opinion, the only way that the spirit can leave the body is through death.

      I also noticed that there were many initial narrarators, abu hurrarya, aisha, muwaiyya, Abu Said Khudri, ibn abbas, and anas bin malik.

      Bukhari and muslim appear to have authenticated the Anas bin malik version. Whereas Tabari used the abu hurrarya/abu sa’id khudri version.

      Almost every account differs. From slightly to extremely.

  1. Waqar: nice work akhi!

    I have argued the entire issue of the miraaaj with these ahmadis before. Their reference point is the Seerat of Ibn Hisham. This is one of the only times that they authenticate this history book. It goes back to their “picking and choosing” system of Islam.

    From what I can remember remember Hazrat Ayesha did not say that the miraaj was a dream or a vision. I am quite sure that she said that it was something else.

    My conclusion on the matter was that the ahmadis didnt even fully agree with their reference point, i.e. Hazrat Ayesha in Ibn Hisham.

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