Quran says that Issa (PBUH) did NOT witness the deeds of the Christians after he left his people
5:116 ((And when Allah will say: O Issa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to say; if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things))
5:117 ((I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things))
Mirza Claims that His Books are from Allah (SWT)
MGAQ said:
((All my Arabic books are type of revelation since I wrote them with special support from God. Sometimes I do not understand the meaning of some words and sentences unless I use a dictionary)) – Seerat-ul-Mahdi, Narration No. 104 (Click here)
He also said:
((I confess that all my books were written through the power of Allah)) – Rouhani Khazain, vol 18, Ijaz-ul-Masih, page 1(Click Here)
Mirza says that Issa (PBUH) would be a liar if he had actually witnessed his people’s deeds after he had left this life
MGAQ wrote in 1903:
((If it is really true – that Issa would return back before the Day of Judgment and that he would break the cross and cause the Christians to embrace Islam – then how can he claim that he was not aware about what his people did after his raise to heaven! How can he say this although he had already witnessed the Shirk of the Christians after he returned to the earth, and after he knew that they have considered him and his mother to be Gods? His denial after being asked by Allah would be a sinful lie and a type of impoliteness)) – RK, vol 19, Mawahib-ur-Rahman, page 292 (Click Here)
MGAQ also wrote in 1907:
((During the Day of Judgment, Issa will answer Allah by saying that I had left my people when they were believing in God and the unity of God, then I left them till the Day of Judgment and I didn’t return back to this life till the resurrection day; I should not be blamed, I didn’t know the Shirk and the bad deeds which they had done after me. Hence if the return of Issa to this life is true then his mentioned answer would be an ugly lie)) RK, vol 22, Zameemat Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, page 665 & 666 (Click Here)
Now let us read the following earlier Ilahmi writings:
Mirza claims that Issa (PBUH) knew – after his death – the poisonous doctrines which the Christians had adopted
Mirza wrote in 1893:
((It has been revealed to me that Jesus was apprised of the poisonous doctrines which the Christians had adopted and thereby his soul was moved towards his spiritual descent upon the earth and being deeply affected by the determination of his followers upon self-ruin, he desired a substitute who should resemble him and should be possessed of the same nature as himself as if he was the same. So God, according to His promise, bestowed upon him one who resembled him and upon this one descended the resolve and qualities and spirituality of Jesus)) – RK, vol 5, Ayena Kamalate Islam page 254 & 255 (Click Here)
Mirza claims that Issa (PBUH) opened his eyes afte his death and saw the bad deeds of his people
Mirza wrote in 1894:
((The people of a certain prophet may become very wicked and they may open the doors of apostasy….))
((Then Allah would open the eye of one of their previous prophets who died so that he will look to them as if he has been awaken up from a sleep; then he will see their great unfairness and corruption))
((Subsequently his soul would be greatly agitated and he would desire to descent upon the earth in order to correct the errors of his people and to provide the evidences that would convince them….))
((Allah will create a Maseel whose heart and qualities are very similar to that prophet who had died, then Allah would cause the wills of that prophet to descend upon that Maseel so that the prophet would be happy…))
((This is the secret of the descent of Issa (as) )) RK, vol 8, Sirrul Khilafa, page 373 & 374 (Click Here)
What a blatant lie!
Cool Nice post
I am sure u wont hear any sane reply from qadianis now
Masha’Allah…great one!
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I always wondered as to how MGA reconciled the fact that ESA knew what happened to the christians after he left.
I had written in the forums just days ago that ESA would not have answered the way that he did in 5:177/118 if he hadnt physically returned.
The only way that ESa (as) would respond woudl be if he physically returned and witnessed this for himself.
Esa (as) is the only prophet of allah whose message has been totally destroyed and led to widescale SHIRK!!!
There are two arguments here.
a. Jesus (as) will say in his defense that He had died and christians changed his message after him, of which he was not a witness.. To be a witness, one must be physically present to see the situation..
b. That Allah (swt) in His Wisdom informs the prophets who have passed away of the plight of their people on earth as He Pleases. Prophets are already in heavens according to the Hadith of Miraj and their communication with Allah is no strange thing. When we recite Durood, it reaches Holy Prophet (saw) through Allah (swt).
So, what is so strange if Allah (swt) informed Jesus (as) about his people?
@Lutf
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(1) does Quran say that Issa (PBUH) hadn’t watched his people after his death? YES/NO.
(2) did Mirza Ghulam say that Issa (PBUH) would be a liar if he had known about the status of the Christians after his death? YES/NO.
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(3) did MGAQ’s earlier Ilhams claim that Issa (PBUH) had watched his people after his death? YES/NO.
(4) did these Ilhams also confirm that Issa (PBUH) had actually known the status of the Christians after his death? YES/NO.
Awaiting your answers.
issue is how mrza put it
he pawned himself
Holy Quran is clear, Islam is clear and pure. But if we start reading and interpreting it the way Mirza did then we become lost and end up in mental confusion.
That’s exactly what happened to Mirza and he decided to interpret things to his own needs and desires based on monetary and other supports that he was getting at that time from his protectors…….!!
Fuad,
The verse in the Holy Quran mentions the responsibility of a Prophet. A prophet is responsible to teach what is revealed to him by God. Jesus (as) responds to the question of the shirk of his people by saying that as long has he was present among them, he fulfilled his responsibilities as a prophet, and when he died, he was no longer a “witness” over them.
Now if Jesus (as) returns for a second time, he will be responsible again for his people (including all others) and this question of shirk after his death should not arise as he would “break the cross” before his eventual death.
If you take Tawaffa for his “complete collection body+soul”, even then this conversation should not happen as Jesus (as) is bound to return with his body to correct his people and God should be happy with the outcome on the day of resurrection..
Even Jesus (as) (according to your interpretation) has missed out vital details of his final victory while answering God. The answer should have included all details of Armageddon and conversion of all mankind to Islam within 40 years of his final appearance to the world.
Day of resurrection may not chronologically follow our calendars. People who die are in a world free of our own space-time restrictions hence thinking that all deceased people are suspended in Barzukh until the universe collapses does not make sense. Holy Prophet (saw) has informed of many people already in paradise.
Funny how you came back when the discussion reverted to Isa (as). Where were you on Piggott? You don’t care that Mirza was a liar, you will defend him no matter what, but where he is conclusively proven a liar, you will steer clear. What a joke. How much do they pay you Lutf? Surely you aren’t so brainwashed that you do this for free?
Piggot article got the response it needed. And the answer was sufficient.
And the discussion here is not about Isa (as), but an alleged “contradiction” that your friend has seen in the writings of Promised Messiah (as).
So answer the questions.
Lutf, you should be a comedian!
At this point your utterances are insanely funny.
Ever tried stand-up comedy? Maybe Masroor can give you some tips on that, his speeches sure are funny.
@Lutf
Your respone is irrelevant. I need your YES/NO answers to my straightforward questions. You can elaborate later as much as you wish. Here are my simple four questions again:
(1) does Quran say that Issa (PBUH) hadn’t watched his people after his death? YES/NO.
(2) did Mirza Ghulam say that Issa (PBUH) would be a liar if he had known about the status of the Christians after his death? YES/NO.
(3) did MGAQ’s earlier Ilhams claim that Issa (PBUH) had watched his people after his death? YES/NO.
(4) did these Ilhams also confirm that Issa (PBUH) had actually known the status of the Christians after his death? YES/NO.
Read the footnote from RK, vol 22, Zameemat Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, page 665 & 666 (that you have quoted above). The Hadith is your answer.. May Allah guide you.. and I hope you desist from this argument as it is leading to blasphemy now..
Blasphemy? You really are a comedian as Rationalist says. The shortest book in the world is entitled “Which blasphemy has Mirza Ghulam Ahmad not committed?”
Dear Fuad,
Lutf is never going to give a Yes/No answer. This is normal tactics of Mirzais. You ask him Yes/No he will give a one page story. You again ask him Yes/No he will tell you to read page 665 and 666. I cannot understand why the Mirzai don’t the read the pages by themselves and give a simple Yes/No answer.
Shame on Mirzais.
I will wait for a response from Fuad on this. I don’t need to give a yes/no answer as the questions were invalid in the first place.
Well said Br. Shahid.
MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD QADIANI MADE SO MANY CLAIMS. HE MADE ONE THIS CLAIM TOO THAT HE KNOWS QURAN MORE THAN ANYONE BUT WHEN HE WAS INVITED BY PEER GOLRAH SHAREEF TO WRITE THE COMMENTARY OF SURAH FATEHA, HE NEVER SHOWED UP AND WHEN WE STUDY HIS BOOKS WE FIND SUCH A FUNNY INTERPRETATION OF QURANIC VERSES WHICH IS UNBELIEVEABLE. VISIT http://WWW.AHMEDI.ORG
@ Lutf
Just to expose your tactics, here is the translation of the full footnote of page 666:
((Imam al-Bukhari narrated that al-Mughirah bin an-Numan said: Rasulullah (SAW) said that some men among my Ummah – he mean during the Day of Judgment – would be taken to the left side. Thus I say: Oh My Lord, these are my companions. Then the answer would come: “You don’t know what they have made after you”. I would then say like what the good servant – he means Issa : had said: “I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them”. Also Al-Bukhari narrated about the meaning of at-Tawaffee that ibn Abbas said: Mutawaffeeka means “I will cause you to die”)) – RK, vol 22, Zameemat Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, footnote p666.
Lutf, I agree, the quoted footnote answers my simple four questions. It confirms that Quran says that Issa (PBUH) hadn’t watched his people after his death. Therefore MGAQ was a grand liar when he claimed that Issa (PBUH) had actually watched his people after his death.
I actually made a post on this back in August 2007. I summed it up as follows:
1893 – Hazrat Isa (AS) has full knowledge his teachings have been corrupted.
1905 – Hazrat Isa (AS) has no knowledge his teachings have been corrupted.