بسم الله و الحمد لله و صلاة و سلم علو رسول الله و على اله و سلم
When I was an undergraduate student, our MSA would setup tables at public venues to invite Jews, Christians, Hindus, agnostics and people of all faith to Islam. We were fairly successful and always welcomed dozens into the Deen (religion) every year.
Now compare this to the Ahmadis. If one analyzes their propagation efforts, it will be clear that they are less interested in members of other faiths. Rather, they more interested in calling Muslims from Islam to Ahmadiyya. Lets look at the writings, TV channel, organizational events and the behavior of average Ahmadis.
Writings
The books, articles and essays of Muslims are usually around issues of Beliefs, Islamic Law and Spirituality (ie, MuslimMatters). However, Ahmadi writings are almost exclusively geared towards calling Muslims from Islam to Ahmadiyya. For example, the books Invitation to Ahmadiyyat and With Love to the Muslims of the World do nothing but this. Other writings argue in favor of their Ahmadi-specific interpretations of the Qur’an. In fact, most of their books contain terminology or citations that non-Muslims might not even understand.
TV Channel
MTA comes in three languages: Urdu, Arabic and English. If their goal is to spread to the entire world, why have they chosen only those three specific languages? Why not, say, Mandarin Chinese which is spoken by roughly 1.1 billion people or Spanish, spoken by 500 million? The answer is obvious: because these three languages are largely spoken by the world’s Muslims.
- Urdu – Primarily spoken in Pakistan and India amongst a nearly exclusive Muslim population
- Arabic - Roughly 20% of the world’s Muslims, with some 85-90% of the native speakers adhering to Islam
- English – While not exclusive to Muslims, it is the linga franca of today and understood by millions of Muslims worldwide
Organizational Events
When I first started making Da’wah to Ahmadis, I noticed that nearly all of them have the exact same arguments. This is because the organization holds events and programs to spread those arguments. For example, “National Tabligh Day”. This day consists almost exclusively of learning why Orthodox Islam is incorrect and teaching the standard Ahmadi arguments.
Actions of ordinary Ahmadis
Having maintained an informal relationship with many Ahmadis, I have come to know their habits. Their missionary students occasionally take trips to Muslim masjids and attempt to spread Ahmadi-specific ideas and beliefs in them. This behavior is replicated over websites such as YouTube, where nearly all Ahmadi accounts spread Ahmadi-specific beliefs rather than even general Islamic beliefs that we can all agree on. In some cases, their content is directed exclusively at portraying certain personalities in a negative light (ie, Look at those cave Mullahs!).
On a side note, many of these videos are used by anti-Islamic sources to spread hatred against Muslims.
But, what about their interfaith events?
Ahmadis do routinely sponsor interfaith events. That’s good. But, even in those events, there is less of an emphasis on Islam and more of an emphasis on Ahmadi-specific teachings. For example, rather than discussing Tawheed (Islamic monotheism) vs the Trinity, which is at the heart of Islam and Christianity and which dozens of ayaat of the Qur’an specifically address, they will argue over whether ‘Esa bin Maryam عليه اسلام survived the cross or not.
It appears that their main intention is to gain a sense of legitimacy as the representatives of Islam by portraying Muslims as terrorists and the like.
Conclusion
You might be wondering why Ahmadis focus more on Muslims than every other religion. The objective of the enemies of Islam is to take people away from Islam by any means possible. As such, they have less of an incentive to focus on Christians, Jews, Hindus. Those are people who already reject Islam. Instead, they are more interested in calling Muslims from Islam to Ahmadiyya. Ahmadiyya is yet another path of misguidance setup for this purpose. Conversely, we Muslims call people of all faiths, including Ahmadis, away from the deviant path of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and to the path of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم.
May Allah guide our Ahmadi friends away from Ahmadiyya and to Islam.
و صلى الله على رسول الله و على اله و سلم
Thing is ahmadis are trying to reinvent Islam which is not possible
they use the name of Islam other wise I am sure hardly any one would even listen to them. (other than poor ppl in africa whom ahmadis exploit) coz their behaviour is similar to those christian missionaires of africa who only care about numbers.
As an ahmadi for over 20+ years I rarely remember seeing any ahmadi-converts who were formerly muslim.
I remember in the early 90′s there were a rash of “black muslims” who joined the ahmadis. But other than that I rarely remember any muslims converting over to ahmadiyyyat.
I can say that at the interfaith conferences there werent any muslims there to represent Islam. The ahmadis are usually the islamic representative at these events….
The funniest thing is that you will NEVER see any ahmadi murrabbi or president or high-ranking members who can read, write and articulate in these 3 languages. Most of them can speak, read and write in english and urdu..but arabic is just totally out of the question….
I cant recall an ahmadi maulvi who did a speech in arabic!
the murabbiyan are pretty good in arabic. in canada, the majority of the first three years of jamia are spent learning arabic and urdu. in their fourth year, they’re expected to be able to translate the quran. they sometimes have brown mutabbis on mta’s arabic channel too.
the average ahmadi isn’t taught arabic though except at the “ta’lim ul-quran class” which happens like twice a year. but some of the older people pick it up after reading the quran for so long.
you might be referring to the horrrrible tajweed ahmadis have. most of them don’t know the importance of tajweed and the ones that do, don’t have the right means to learn it except by consulting the “mullahs” which they can’t do.
it’s the opposite for me in canada, i mostly see mainstream muslims becoming ahmadi. a good percentage of the people in my jama’at are ex-sunni due to whole families converting and having their conversion rub off on extended family who also convert and so on. there are ahmadis from non-muslim backgrounds but very few compared to the ex-sunnis. but i read some parts of “by the dawn’s early light” and i noticed that there weren’t many muslims becoming ahmadi in america.
but remember that our grand parents or great grandparents or whatever were most likely some type of muslim before they converted to ahmadiyya. my great great grandfather (maybe another great?) was a shiite who was anxiously waiting for the mahdi and when his father was on his death bed, he said that the mahdi has come so go give bait to him. when he (the son) learned about MGA, he thought this was the guy his dad was talking about.
Muslim First, you wrote:
“it’s the opposite for me in canada, i mostly see mainstream muslims becoming ahmadi. a good percentage of the people in my jama’at are ex-sunni due to whole families converting and having their conversion rub off on extended family who also convert and so on. there are ahmadis from non-muslim backgrounds but very few compared to the ex-sunnis. but i read some parts of “by the dawn’s early light” and i noticed that there weren’t many muslims becoming ahmadi in america.”
Ahmadism mostly spreads where ignorance of Islam is ripe. Sadly, this is indeed common amongst many Muslims in the West. But, American and Canadian Muslims have had very different experiences. In the US, Islamic scholarship is fairly active (though not active as it could be). Examples of institutes are Al-Maghrib, Zaytuna, Bayyinah, SunniPath, Al-Madina, Fawaakih, and many other programs. They transmit Islamic education to the masses. We have CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, MAS and other regional organizations to unite Muslims and spread the knowledge of the Deen.
Canada seems to have less programs of this nature and is contains a lot of Ismailis, Ahmadis, Progressive, etc. They have the Revival of the Islamic Spirit, but that’s only annually. As such, the average Muslim isn’t living in the same kind of atmosphere. The “normal looking” religious people ARE the Ahmadis, not just ordinary Muslims.
In places like Pakistan, Ahmadism is a way to be “religious”, which is culturally praised, be “modern” (ie, dress western), but at the same time be against the “mullahs” and stereotypical religious people.
Because of this backdrop, many Ahmadis living in the US have become Muslims, including two personal friends. I don’t know that the same is true in Canada.
I live in vancouver, Canada and i know alot of muslims here but i have rarely seen Qadianis with the exception of a few…in fact there are more Ismailis than the Qadianis.
May ALLAH guide the few u saw and bring them to Islam
keep spreading the message of truth.
So just coz his dad told him he accepted him?
even when he fulfills no signs of Mahdi.
The covert to Ahmadis that i have seen there reason are based more on hate against Islam rather than on truthfulness or arguments of ahmadiyya
the oneness mostly effected by the Ahmadiyya + Christian + Media propaganda against Islam which try to give bad image to Islam and All muslims
haha iunno the exact details. my mom told me the story like 7 years ago but i know he started working at a library after his dad died and the library had some of MGA’s books and that’s where he learned about ahmadiyya. you know the shia are really excited about the mahdi.
but yea, i agree about ahmadi converts. ahmadiyya might seem to be the only choice between the mullahs and the moderates to them. i see a lot of ahmadis here in the west turning to atheism because unlike pakistan, the west gives them more options.
some people also convert after learning that the faults some of the ulema ascribe to ahmadiyya are exaggerated. like on islamqa.com, the shaykh says that it’s common knowledge that ahmadis drink. ignorance like this weakens their credibility and people who witness this kind of ignorance begin to sympathize with the ahmadis and eventually join them.
So you agree that its less coz of love and learning of ahmadiya instead hate and propaganda against Islam
and as ahmadis use the name of Islam so they instead of becoming atheist and agnostic they become ahmadi.
And I think reading mirza ghulam books a normal sane person cannot become ahmadis(specially the qadiani sect of ahmadiyya) may be through some teaching and later arguments from the followers of mirza ghulam but through mirza books its highly unlikely (but exception are always there)
“muslim first”, please be very, very careful what you’re saying.
brother Farhan u had u laughing there [Dirty cave Mullahs] LOL its true i remember Watching MTA recently and in their Annual Jalsa Salana they had all these diffrent Guests but no Muslim representative at all coz all Muslims are Dirty Cave Mullahs and they might get exposed so they try to avoid this situation.
its funny they always target Muslims coz they will never Debate with Muslims Scholars [Cave Mullahs] in the open coz they are afraid they will lose their flock overnight so its better not to get involved with these scary Muslims and thier scary Mullahs.
and another thing came into my attention recently is the Qadiany leadership Mirza Masroor Ahmad in his Friday Khutba sermons seems to sing instead of Reciting the Quran iam puzzled even their previous leadership also had this Habit what is it about their recitation iam the only one who has noticed this or what ?
There are different opinions on how to conduct a khutbah between the four maddhabs, but generally you begin by praising Allah and sending salah upon the Prophet SAAWS.
But, Mirza Masroor begins by reciting Surah al-Fatiha, in an incorrect Urdu accent, and then speaking for 30 minutes. That is not the correct way to give a khutbah…
Is Persian poem allowed in Namaz?
Ask a Faqeeh
Farhans opnions are basically true. Just want to add that the focus in not just on converting Mus… but also quietly backstabbing them whenever possible. Remember not every member may be doing this and there are some innocent ones who do not know that Ahmadiyat is not real ISLAM and are trapped by marrying one of the girls, getting a house or a car or money or some refugee status etc. There is a lots more to say……but in the end the Ahmadi’s are really betraying themselves in the eyes of GOD and no one else for on the day of judgement their MIRZA GHULAM the false Prophet is not going to save them from the punishment of HELL because he will himself be there.
VERYYY good point about backbiting. I’ll make sure I don’t do that and feel free to call me out if I do (i’d prefer privately)
In any case, I also do believe that there are some (hopefully many) who are indeed Muslims, despite declaring themselves as ‘Ahmadis’. This is because many are just Ahmadi-by-name-only, but in reality, they’re Muslims. Even ex-Ahmadis have told me this. Its dangerous to make blanket statements of “they’re ALL kaafireen”. As I always say, the religion is Kufr, but we don’t judge the individual.
Sorry Farhan, I was not talking about backbiting but backstabbing that is done by some of the Ahmadi’s mainly to the Muslims.
What you have stated are the facts and it has opened our eyes. Good work!
u mean converting Muslims like us to ahmadiyya ? How do they exactly do that ? Atleast not in Pakistan or KSA i hope ? Isint it hard for them to convert the muslims ? why dont they target atheists or some other group thats easy to dig with … As far as im concerned ive hardly seen any ( sunni ) muslim revert to ahmadiyya …
That was the entire point of the article. They don’t target Atheists as actively because atheists are already off Islam. The goal of any Shaytaan-inspired faith is to take people away from Islam and to Kufr.
You are right. They target mainstream muslims and their countries ………very viciously. I have never seen any other religious groups who spread so much venom. Yet without any shame these hatemongers call themselves as a sect of ISLAM. But to anyone who knows about the basics of Islam there is no doubt intheir minds that Ahmadiyat is outside the folds of ISLAM. Also dont forget their cult leaders have planted moles everywhere to gather information and spread hatred. Especially you will find them in places of significance in employment and brainwashing the politicians and media secretly.
Also thing is muslim must prepare them self as well as they are the main target of ahmadis as well as christians
as for ahmadis its just numbers that they want like christians that why they target poor and needy muslims in africa like christians missionaries.
A common muslims are not much ware of their tactics
May ALLAH help us all and keep us on right path
@shahid
what did i say that’s wrong?
“like on islamqa.com, the shaykh says that it’s common knowledge that ahmadis drink. ignorance like this weakens their credibility and people who witness this kind of ignorance begin to sympathize with the ahmadis and eventually join them.”
Please produce just one example of where somebody became a Mirzai after a shaykh on a TV channel exaggerated. Please also cite one reference on a credible Western channel where a shaykh said that Mirzais drink.
As an aside, in my experience, many Mirzais think it’s OK to have alcohol for medicinal purposes. I lost count of the number of Mirzais who gave brandy to kids when they were ill. Although they didn’t drink it, what were they doing with brandy in the house? Disgusting. And Mirza thought it was OK for medicinal purposes, as did his sons, as do the Lahoris.
@Shahid
brother u forgot to mention Mirza was addicted Drink Tonic Wine [Alcohol] that was his favourite Drink and he cliamed this was for medicinal purposes.
and there are other reports of him taking Opium as well and he even recomended to Nuruddin and his son Bashiruddin this is nothing NEW for they have been accused of so many other things as well.
i even read from some souces that according to Mirzaology they are allowed to even BRIBE others for the sake of being RIGHT this is the kind of things they are uesd to its makes u wonder what they are following ?
i was referring to islamqa, not any western islamic channel. either way, this website is very credible. i personally consult it whenever i have a fiqhy concern. here’s the link:
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/91658/deedat
under “fifthly,” go to number 3.
there’s also the dr. zakir naik criticism of ahmadiyya where he says that ahmadis differentiate between nabi and rasul which ahmadis use to “prove” zakir naik is a liar. i just feel he made a mistake. this can be found on youtube.
i know of one family becoming ahmadi (very prominent family) whose interest in ahmadiyya was sparked after realizing that ahmadis weren’t as bad (islamically) as people said they were. ahmadis pray, fast, abstain from casual drinking and so forth. i’m sure that this exaggeration was a factor for many other ahmadis in their conversion.
likewise i was very impressed by the mainstream ulema after watching their lectures since i was told that they were “the worst creatures under the sky” by ahmadis. after actually listening to them, i realized that the ahmadis exaggerated their faults.
it’s true that they allow alcoholic medicine, but just saying they allow alcohol without mentioning any restrictions is misleading and that’s all the shaykh said. please be clear, i’m not saying the shaykh means to mislead, i just think he’s mistaken.
and please, the next time you have a problem with something i’ve said, tell me straight away. i really respect your opinion so i became very uneasy when you said i should be careful about what i say and even more uneasy when you didn’t tell me what i said wrong because then i couldn’t fix it.
My apologies, I only clarified because you asked. It wasn’t my motive to embarrass you. May Allah forgive me for any shortcomings.
I ask people to be very careful about the religious status of a person as the implications are so huge.
I only took a while because I have not had much time to attend to the blog or forum lately.
Let’s be absolutely clear about something: Mirzais absolutely love it that if their members leave, they become atheist. They have pumped them full of hatred and fear of Muslims so much by this point, that often, a potential revert is frightened away from Islam and throws the baby out with the bathwater.
Alhamdulillah, that didn’t happen to me, or a lot of former Mirzais.
salam shahid,
is that a typo?
why would they love their members leaving?
wasalam
wslm Jameel, probably missed something about “for atheism”, thanks. I will fix now.
Just checked. Not a type, I used the qualifier “that when”. To make it crystal clear, I’ve changed it to read “that if” – hope that clears up any confusion and thanks again.
I’d just like to clarify that as much respect as I have for Dr Zakir Naik, you should bear in mind that he is a scholar of comparative religion and a fatwa from the Shariah Board of America states he is not a qualified alim of deen and his comments on fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) have no merit.
http://www.shariahboard.org/viewfatwa.aspx?QuestionID=6329
Yes, that’s a very important point.
I have nothing but respect for Dr Zakir Naik, but he is most certainly NOT a scholar. I don’t mean that in the sense of disrespect, but only to point out that scholarship isn’t just about collecting a lot of ‘facts’ about the Deen. Rather, there’s is a standardized, traditional process of attaining that status. That’s why our deen has the system of Ijazah.
Mirza got his ijazah from Yalash.
And Mirza studied at MIT. Yeah that’s right. Mirzai Institute of Takfeer.
Yeah, most Mirzologists don’t get this, they pick someone they can pick on with a minor point and say “see you jahil cave mullahs? (Copyright Farhan Khan 2010) see? you’re all stupid!” – they ignore the real giants of the deen. I love Dr. Zakir too. He once quite rightly said that Mirzology is a minor issue and that he’s after the bigger fish. That’s fine. Leave the Mirzologists to us – and of course, to the scholars of our deen who are unanimous about Mirzologists and their false creed.
muslim first wrote:
“i know of one family becoming ahmadi (very prominent family) whose interest in ahmadiyya was sparked after realizing that ahmadis weren’t as bad (islamically) as people said they were. ahmadis pray, fast, abstain from casual drinking and so forth. i’m sure that this exaggeration was a factor for many other ahmadis in their conversion”
Are you kidding?
The Ahmadi’s that I have met in my life and spoken to including their so called Murrabis were not only a disgrace to their cult based religion but to humanity in general. I dont understand how anyone can be impressed with such cunning liars and backstabbers……! So what if they dont drink and fast and pray sometimes….it is the character that counts and certainly they seem to be very much in line with their liar, cheat, fraud, drug addict and sick MIRZA Ghulam the self proclaimed liar who died in his own shit……..! Excuse me for my …….words but there is nothing else to describe such people…….and in fact I am trying to be less disrespectful otherwise there is a lots to say ……not to mention the language and character of MIRZA kazzab.
akhi, i wasn’t kidding. we shouldn’t stereotype ahmadis. there’s good and bad people everywhere. i heard some very disheartening things about some muslims at my cousin’s high school today and unfortunately, ahmadis remember those muslims and use them as a representative of one billion muslims. let’s not commit the same mistake.
however, i do feel the ahmadi stereotyping of muslims is more dangerous because when they say that muslim corruption is a sign of falsehood, they imply that they are free from such corruption.
muslim first – your comments are spot on. I concur wholeheartedly. Well said.
mulsim first,
I am aware that we should not stereotype Ahmadis for there could be some innocent ones trapped in there thinking that this is Islam and hope and pray that GOD will guide them one day to the right Islam.
So far my experiences with this group have been very, very disturbing and you cannot have a true friendship with them. You keep being nice to them and they keep backstabbing you.
At the same time I cannot agree one hundred percent with you on just stating that Ahmadi sterotyping of muslims is more dangerous………!
It is not just dangerous, but the worst that anyone can imagine. This is the bread and butter on which their cult leaders and mullahs thrive. They will not hesitate to go to any extent to achieve their evil desires. I have no hesitation in stating that they are far more dangerous than so called groups called Taliban or alqaeda and these are the words from people who have been in Ahmadiyya group for more than 50 years like brother A. K Shaikh who has posted several videos on you tube.
I want to add that I dont mean to disrespect any of my brothers here. I am just conveying my experiences.
Brs. like Shahid and Farhan are doing a great job. Please keep up the good work.
And what is the present situation of ahmadis ? Are they successful in their * boosting the numbers * operations ? Any wild guesses or proofs ? What kind of future do you sense for this cult dear brother farhan ?
I wouldn’t say. I was never an Ahmadi, so I can’t comment objectively. Keep in mind, in the past, they claimed a number of 200 million worldwide which is absolutely absurd as it would mean that 20% of the worldwide Muslims are Ahmadis (a figure larger than all of the sects combined!)
*note, when I use the word ‘sect’, I am referring to all non-Mainstream groups.
Actually, leave their future in this World, there are so many misguided cults and ignorant people in this World, but they still manage to be there. What is more important is the life in the hereafter, and if one were an Ahmadi he or she should be worried more about that because by believeing in MIRZA the self proclaimed and false Prophet who died miserably in his own shit, how are you going to face our CREATOR. You will not be able to say o.k I will go back to the Earth and start all over again.
wish there could be some latest global census reports !
Such things are very hard to come by for small cults like the Ahmadiyya, but at my recent talk at Tooting Islamic Centre, I presented some new analysis that showed their numbers to be no higher than around 272,000 worldwide.
You know, I have never met nor heard of any Muslim converting to Ahamdiyya. As far as I know, the vast majority of Muslims, Sunni or Shia have never even heard of Ahmadiyya and those who do, know only basics and already know it’s heretical, not bothering with them. From my personal observances, Ahmadis tend to stick to their own kind selmonly pursuing dawah. The only real ‘converts’ to Ahmadiyya is in Africa..poor Black Muslims, whose Islam is very watered down or a cultural thing. They are also mass converting to Christianity to escape poverty; thus these converts don’t really count because their conversion is a means of escape from poverty rather than spiritually.
Anyways, I was interested by this and I’ve read a story about an Albanian brother who got sucked into Ahmadiyya. He was more or less secular and was fooled into following this cult out of pure innocence, thinking they were ‘Muslims’. He said of stories about the Qadianis going into Albanian camps in Europe and giving them Ahmadi Literature…of course even the secular Albanians knew or realized the utter garbage this cult is fill of and didn’t bother with it….lol. But what was utterly stupid, after these ‘conversion camps’ the Ahmadi leaders told their flock that all these converted to Ahmadiyya, when the actual truth was the Albanians couldn’t care less about them! Lying just to make their numbers seem bigger? That’s utterly pathetic! After two weeks the Albanian brother left Ahmadiyya realizing what it really was..a cult. Allhamdillah this made him realize what Islam really is.
Poor African-Americans do become Muslims in large numbers, but I don’t think its to escape poverty. It is because they believe in it and our brothers in Faith. A small percentage of those people do become Ahmadis, thats true, but its certainly not a large percentage of their members.
And, I think it was Bosnians, not Albanians, who you are referring to. Yes, they were told that the Ahmadis were Muslims and accepted who they thought were their brothers from Pakistan, but when they learned that they believe Mirza Ghulam is a PROPHET, they all left en masse.
@farhan
What evidence do you have of this exodus by the bosnians??
I am also aware that it happened…I noticed the bosnians that converted have since dissapeared..by i dont have any hard evidence
thanks..ahki
I was here when it happened. Not many “converted” – and those that did were after refuge, they knew nothing about Mirza etc. As soon as they found out, they all left. I played football with some of them. They really didn’t know anything about Mirzaiyyat.
What i’m worried about is whether or not they think all South Asians follow Ahmadiyya… i sincerely hope not and know that we’re very much against it!
I didn’t really mean the African-Americans..i meant from Africa itself…Ghana, Uganda etc.
The article i read said Albanians, but they could be wrong. Many Bosniaks and Alabanians may be secular, but they’re not stupid either.
That’s right!
The MIT also taught MIRZA about his one sided love affair with Muhammadi Begum, and how his marriage was prearranged in the Heaven (Hell) by Yallash but never actually took place on Earth!
you wrote:
Mirzais absolutely love it that if their members leave, they become atheist
sorry shahid dont understand this,
why would qadianis be happy if their members leave?
wasalam
That’s not actually what I said! Notice the “that if” clause and the condition.
salam
br. shahid………i copied and pasted it.
I just dont understand if you mean that qadianis get happy if someone leaves their group or u meant something else.
wasalam
I was pretty clear I thought.
The Qadianis are very happy that if and when someone leaves, that they become atheist. You seem to be ignoring the second clause of the statement brother.
Of course, Qadianis never think that anybody leaves them for a good reason, but why would they? They are a different religion, and different religions are very similar in that respect.
salam
oh I see, you mean they are happy they became athiest and not muslims.
ok thats right,
because if they became muslim that would be a thorn in their neck.
however nuzhat haneef despite being athiest has smacked them in the face
I read many ahmadis left the cult because of her book and became muslims
mashallah.
”there are 200 million Ahmadies in the world”
now thats a Joke LOL coz i remember few years back when i was watching the MTA one of thier speakers said we have accomplished what HMGAQ predicted 100 years back… that is we have converted 200 million people into islam i.e Qadianism i was quite shocked thinking to my self this cant be TRUE coz they are only a minoroty
but when i started to research into it thats when i found out this is all LIES and FABRICATIONS to make fool of others and their cult followers but this is nothing new coz now i have found out the real figure is no less than 2 Million but they made another bogus claim of 40 Million figure on their Web site now can anyone tell me is this the TRUE figure or the 2 Million figure ??
My estimate as I mentioned elsewhere using simple analysis shows around 272,000 Qadianis. I’d say the highest possible figure is not likely to exceed 2M an that’s being very generous. Please provide reference for your quote jzk
thanks brother Shahid for the info.. i took the 40 Million figure from the Qadiany website Alislam.org but recently they have revised it down to 20 of Millions i know this is all LIES but your 2 Million figure sounds more realistic JAZAKHALLAH
I think it could be as low as 272,000!
yeh iam not suprised about the figure u just quoted here bro
mirza is very good tato of english man.mirza is now in jhanm. there is no phrophet after the Holy phrophet Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH).is the last phrophet. if any person have question ask me i am here life_life_ok@yahoo.com