115 thoughts on “Ahmadis think we deserve it

  1. [admin: Your evil hatred knows no bounds. You see civilians being killed and you use foul language against Muslims. You are banned. Spread your Mirzai hatred somewhere else.]

    If two *bed-fellows* i.e. Qadianis and Opponents of HMGA had not been involved in *inter-course* to produce *mullah-bastards*, message of HMGA would have *converted* Jews, Christians and Hindus of the world to Islam, in last 100 years. And we would not be witnessing killing of innocent Muslims as shown in above video.
    It is all fault of Qadianis and opponents of HMGA. George Barnad Shaw, intellectual in UK had seen literature on Islam produced by Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. This was the reason he was expecting whole Europe would convert to Islam by end of 20th century. Unfortunately, *Mullah-Bastards* did not let it happen.

    There is too much opposition to Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in Pakistan, and because of Pakistanis in other Muslim countries to some extent. This opposition is basically due to political reasons. Starting from Ahraris of Anjuman-e-Ahrar, to Maududis of Jamat-I-Islami, 2nd constitutional amendment to 1973 Pakistani constitution, General Zia’s order XX…
    This opposition is so much that even if Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement and Qadiani Jamaat join hands to reverse it, it is impossible. Only Allah can end opposition of HMGA in hearts and minds of Pakistanis and ill-informed Muslims. Allah informed HMGA in revelation:

    ‘Dunya mein aik nazier aaya, per dunya nay oos ko kabool na kia. Laikan Khuda issay kabool karay gha, aur baray zoorawar humloon say oos ki sachai zahir karay gha’
    (A Warner came to the world, but world did not accept him. But Allah will accept him, and with very powerful attacks will manifest his truthfulness).

    We witness this everyday in West European and North American countries, where Muslims are forced to adopt ways of HMGA if they want to propagate message of Islam.

    • “where muslims are forced to adopt ways of HMGA”

      what ways? licking the boots of white european masters? lol

    • You are the #1 reason why I left ahmadiyyat….

      Most of you guys are just dumb dumbs…you dont know any better…

      You should buy another helmet, the one that you are wearing doesnt fit properly..i think it is piercing your skull and causing your brain cells to leak out…

      capiche?

      • rationalist
        well said there bro
        and according to them all Scary Mullahs like my self are to blame for everything and according to them we were behind their down fall coz we oppose their FALSE teachings and their FALSE prophet and YALAASH

    • LOL the Qadiany angry boy here is telling muslims that all the scary Mullahs have stoped their messeage to spread to the four corners of the world LOL

      and its all the fault of the Mullahs coz they exposed they FALSE prophet and his GOD Yalaash LOL

  2. this is truly heinous action , even the country , whose soldiers did it , will abhor this act.

    However only that person is not an evil who really commits such heinous action on people . Some time those people who are subjected to such atrocities are evil themselves

    the only differentiating this is the Power . when those who are subjected to such atrocities get power they do the same with helpless people

    No doubt , Muslims are treated badly , but the same Muslims when treat minorities in their receptive countries with the same way proves that there is not difference between them and americans at all .

    where these muslims have the power , they beat ahmadies , kill them , usurps their right. they do not allow them to even call themselves muslim , they do not allow them to say kalma ,

    when such muslims weep that they are being treated badly , i laugh
    shame on the Shahid of doing the same thing.

    • Actually Khalid, the country doesn’t abhor the act, it lies about it and defends it. So do many of its people. There is plenty of evidence for that, but you are too hateful and small-minded to see it, stuck in your incestuous world of Mirzaiyyat, thinking only of yourselves.

      You are clearly saying that the Iraqis deserve it because in your words they are “evil themselves”.

      Your comparison of a few random criminals killing a few random Ahmadis over a hundred years versus the wholesale military occupation and slaughter of millions of people betrays your disgustingly warped view of the world.

      You are laughing at the grief of Muslims. You are as bad, probably worse, than the Apache gunship crew who laughed while killing those unarmed civilians.

      Shame on you and your dirty, hateful, filthy creed.

    • Ahmadis would be extremely aggressive if they had their own country…ahmadis just arent in that kind of situation…hence they try to play that “peace-thing”, which is a total fraud….

    • Khalid Nawaz,
      You have proven your cults hypocricy, love for all hate for none….right! You say that you laugh at the plight of those who are suffering just because they are not Ahmadi’s. If this is your logic, no wonder you are a follower of your so called prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
      Our duty is to remind you the truth. God Almighty says in the Holy Quran even if one innocent human is killed it is like killing whole of humanity. It does not teach us to laugh at those suffering or greiving. But yes if you follow footsteps of your MIRZA and his false GOD YALLASH then what you are doing makes sense to you but to none with any common sense.

  3. Mushtaq Malik, aka Straight Talker, aka Rashid Jahangiri aka Dr Zahid Aziz, aka Lahore Ahmadiyya, said this on ahmedi.org:

    Shahid Kamal has posted video ‘Collateral Murder’ on his blog.
    But he has failed to tell that such murder are happening due to people like him, who did NOT let HMGA and LAM peaceful propagatin of Islam.

    If two *bed-fellows* i.e. Qadianis and Opponents of HMGA had not been involved in *inter-course* to produce *mullah-bastards*, message of HMGA would have *converted* Jews, Christians and Hindus of the world to Islam, in last 100 years. And we would not be witnessing killing of innocent Muslims as shown in above video.

    It is all fault of Qadianis and opponents of HMGA. George Barnad Shaw, intellectual in UK had seen literature on Islam produced by Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. This was the reason he was expecting whole Europe would convert to Islam by end of 20th century. Unfortunately, *Mullah-Bastards* did not let it happen.

    There is too much opposition to Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in Pakistan, and because of Pakistanis in other Muslim countries to some extent. This opposition is basically due to political reasons. Starting from Ahraris of Anjuman-e-Ahrar, to Maududis of Jamat-I-Islami, 2nd constitutional amendment to 1973 Pakistani constitution, General Zia’s order XX…
    This opposition is so much that even if Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement and Qadiani Jamaat join hands to reverse it, it is impossible. Only Allah can end opposition of HMGA in hearts and minds of Pakistanis and ill-informed Muslims. Allah informed HMGA in revelation:

    ‘Dunya mein aik nazier aaya, per dunya nay oos ko kabool na kia. Laikan Khuda issay kabool karay gha, aur baray zoorawar humloon say oos ki sachai zahir karay gha’
    (A Warner came to the world, but world did not accept him. But Allah will accept him, and with very powerful attacks will manifest his truthfulness).

    We witness this everyday in West European and North American countries, where Muslims are forced to adopt ways of HMGA if they want to propagate message of Islam.

    This is the logical conclusion of Mirzai thinking, and sums up Ahmadiyya very nicely.

  4. i laughed because when i see people who kill ahmadies
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010/04/05/story_5-4-2010_pg7_9

    weep that why they are being killed .

    My dear , ahmdiyyat never propagated hatred and killing . Donot u know that we do not believe in the kind of Jihad which all the world is seeing in pakistan , afghanistan etc.

    You are the two sides of the same coin. American got the Gunship helicopter and they commit atrocities with it , you commit atrocites by changing the law , by abusing the Messiah Maood (as) , by killing ahmadies , by beating them , by usurping their rights .

    what the difference ? where is the difference ?

    u can see the difference in ahmadiyyat alone . who abhor both violences

    and when we run the buses to propagate the beautiful Message of ahmadiyyat the true Islam via 100 buses that is
    “love for all, Hatred for None ”

    you were the first to laugh on it .

    so what a Hippocratic nature u have got shahid .
    an incident in Iraq , which have nothing to do with the ahmdiyyat is forcefully attributed to the ahmadiiyat saying , “ahmdies loves such incidents ” , while the truth is we hate it , we hate muslim killing minorites and we hate non muslims killing muslims

    On the other hand when ahmadiyyat propagate love among different religions , u come and raise objection on it as well

    a shameless attitude

    • You are beneath contempt. You equate the wholesale murder of millions of Muslims with abuse of your Mirza, calling both “atrocities”.

      You are utterly devoid of reason, empathy and humanity. You don’t hate it. You love it. You have told us we deserve it. You have told us you laugh at our suffering. And you shamefully suggest that I have killed Ahmadis? Do you Mirzais have to lie as part of your faith? Oh of course, it’s the sunnah of your charlatan bootlicker profit prophet Mirza Al-Kazzab Ad-Dajjal. He got your forefathers to send chanda to the soliders returning from the Boer War, and now you laugh at us crying at the murder of Muslims, whilst comparing such atrocities to abuse of your cursemaster charlatan.

      You don’t propagate love. You love your imperialist masters, you hate Muslims, you have said as much, laughing at our suffering.

      Stop trying to back out of it. Carry on with your laughter. This life is short. The next life is eternal.

    • You are a sick, hateful cult. I have condemned persecution of Ahmadis over and over again, as have many Muslims, but you think it’s fine that Muslims are persecuted. I am aghast that you think the mass-murder of Muslims is no different to abuse of your death-cult-founder, Mirza Ghulam Yalash.

    • Ahmadis call it peace, but really its a political ploy…

      The USA and europe also claimed that they didnt murder innocent native americans…they lied about this for like 200 years…We even have a “columbus day” here in the USA…

      Columbus was considered a hero for over 200 years…finally the truth came out…Columbus is nothing more than a mass murderer…

      If the ahmadis ever amasse a military then we will see how they behave..

    • re/Khalid
      my freind u are sick and twisted coz i have seen Qadiany vidoes on YouTube where they say those Muslims who rejected or critised Mirzology have met Horrendous ends and they give example likes of former prime minister of Pakistan Z.A. Bhutto Ziaul Haq who they claim met death for they rejected or persecuted Mirzas followers

    • Khalid Nawaz wrote:
      “My dear , ahmdiyyat never propagated hatred and killing ….
      u can see the difference in ahmadiyyat alone . who abhor both violences
      and when we run the buses to propagate the beautiful Message of ahmadiyyat the true Islam via 100 buses that is
      “love for all, Hatred for None ”

      Reply: Are you kidding? It was your MIRZA who started the madness and called people “children of prostitutes / zurriyatubagaya” when they did not beileve in his prophethood and cursed and abused them to the worst extent…. Similarly, his followers – mainly the cult leaders and Ahmadi Mullahs do this even to this day. Your khalifa sani called Muslims as kAFIRS. How can you forget, this is all documented! Your khalifa Tahir prayed for the demise of mulsims and their countries and did everything possible to destroy ex: Pakistan. Today you claim shamelessly that you are a peaceful group? The actions of your cult and its leaders speak louder than your words……..you can fool some people sometimes but not everyone all the time, this holds very true of your cult.

  5. Such ahmadis are no different from those christians who says that ppl get killed coz they dont accept Jesus to be God and Son of GOD:)

    • re/Zia
      bro what u have said is TRUE ive heard a similar tale about extremist Christians say similar thing about their Lord Jesus coz others havent accepted Christ so GOD sends punishment upon them like Famine or EarthQuake what a sick and twisted beliefs

  6. Christians says that this suffering is coz we dont accept Jesus as Son of God and personal saviour

    Qadianis says coz we dont accept Mirza ghulam

    so that shows that there is not much difference between these ahmadis and those right wing Christians

    • It’s worse coming from Mirzais, because they play both sides. They pretend to be Muslims, whilst hating Muslims all the while, and hating them more than anyone else does.

      • where there is war they says its coz ppl reject mirza
        when there is earthquake they say its coz ppl reject mirza
        when there are floods they say same

        but then they say love for all

        same thing with christian they say all this coz ppl reject jesus the son of God

        like ahmadis they says God is love, Turn the other cheek

        so we can see the similarities clearly

      • yeh i agree with u there bro they play both sides they rejoice whenever Muslims countys are attacked by others they think this is a Divine punishment from Yalaash for not accepting his FALSE prophet M.G.A.Q

  7. I had always planned to write an article entitled, “Chapter 9, the battle of muta, the battle of Tabuk and the way that muslims retaliate”

    This article will show as to why the aggressive Chapter 9 was revealed, what were the circumstances, was it revenge? Why was Allah asking us to be so aggressive and perform the offensive Jihad?

    The answer is simple, the christians had brutally slaughtered some messengers that Muhammad (saw) had sent to the Syria region…Muhammad (saw) was so upset over this that he sent his adopted son Zaid as the commander of an army as well his cousin, the brother of Hazrat Ali—both of these sahaba were killed in this battle….I think it was khalid bin walid who saved the muslim troops….

    Shortly after this battle, Muhammad (saw) himself, emassed an army and marched onto Tabuk…

    ^this is what muslims do when our brothers are killed for NO reason….

    • Time is ripe rationlist , if this is what a Muslim must do then take a first step
      do not sit cowardly at ur home. take action , attack army of USA , after all it is a JIHAD , and it is continued and it is obligatory on u take part in it .
      Will the fear of Death bar u from taking that step or not . we shall see soon .

      • This is typical of Mirzais. I saw islam976/Lutf take this position on ahmedi.org a few times. Pathetic.

        Your risible position is that you believe Islam is about Martial Jihad and that Ahmadiyya is the only palatable alternative. What you fail to understand is that your organisation has no presence in the greater scheme of things, and certainly no importance and that Muslims have nuanced and Islamic positions independent of your petty and hateful attempts to try and pigeonhole us into hating our own countries.

        Let me tell you something Mr. Mirzai Islamophobe, I am British, and you are not. So never come here telling people what to do. We have our own positions and Mirzology doesn’t enter into the equation and it never will.

      • this guy is a typical Mirzaiy nut job he thinks that Jihad is a voilent war that Muslims engage in but this is the Qadiany argument aginst the Muslims that thier prophet Mirza came to abregate Jihad so the British Raj whom their existence depended on can have a peacefull existence in the indian subcontinent

      • Khalid Nawaz,
        Your twisted interpretation of Islam, Mus.. in general has no bounds.
        Your MIRZA, his cult Mullahs have left no stone unturned in attacking people who donot follow your bogus claims.
        Allah s.w.t teaches us three things whenever one sees injustice:
        1. If one can stop is by hand do it
        2. If not speak out against it
        3. If not them consider it as a wrong doing in your heart
        God will reward that person if he does any of this.
        Your Mirzology will not teach you wise ways of dealing with things they will teach you how to hate and misguide people in the name of ISLAM, and thats exactly what you have been doing in all your posts so far. You have twisted the meaning of JIHAD for this we cant do anything you have to see a Psychiatrist. o.k. So please consider my advise shun Mirzology and come to the true and loving path of ISLAM.

  8. This was on NPR yesterday.

    According to Shaykh Yasir Qadhi, who I was just hanging out with a few days ago, this has nothing to do with Shi’a vs Sunni vs Kurdish (who btw, are Sunni). Intra-Iraqi violence carries on a purely tribalistic mentality. May Allah bless Iraq and restore the country.

    On a personal note, I was going to do ROTC (Reserve Officer Training Course) in college, but then we invaded Afghanistan, and I didn’t want to kill Afghan children. But, one of the Ahmadis at my university just recently re-joined the army.

      • so lets get this stright whenever there is a War Natural disaster or famine in islamic countrys the Qadiany cult thinks this is a Divine punishment sent by Yalaash to punish Muslims for not accepting Yalaashs prophet Mirza Ghulam Qadiany?

        another thing is that according to the Qadiany Mirzology JIHAD was abregated for the Pen but i heard they will fight for unbelievers like Isreal ?

    • I can assure you that Lutf, who is the jama’at’s best by the looks of it, would present khalid nawaz’s hateful point of view too, and not necessarily in a more nuanced manner. He did once tell me that a hypothetical Palestinian 10-year old boy getting shot dead by an Israeli would have suffered that end because his nation rejected Mirza. I kid you not.

    • I watched Masroor saying the other day on MTA while addressing Pakistani Press that Indonesian authorities have been accomodating ahmedi community recently and have not been persecuting them as much.

      I am wondering how are they going to justify this recent earthquake!

  9. Salam Alikum,

    This is very very sad. May Allah (swt) give patience to their families and may Allah (swt) grant the martyrs Jannatul Firdaus. The love for all and hatred for none is very evident from the comments above.Next time the followers of ghulam-e-victoria shout this slogan, they should be directed to this post.

  10. so the Qadianies think that thier God YALAASH is gonna punish me for attacking their False religion and his False prophet or iam gonna suffer misfortune or a Natural Disaster in my life ?

    but we Muslims have to speak the Truth from the original souces i.e Quran and the Hadith and let know one get in the way

    i think the Qadianies were created by the British Raj to divide the muslim Ummah and create confusion and division and they found in Mirza Ghulam Victorian Qadiany what they were looking for he was the perfect Uncle Tom they needed

    and he proved he was a real Uncle Tom from his nonsensical prophecies and Visions and the Most important Issue was that they needed to bring the idea to Muslims thoughts that Jihad was abregated for the PEN!

  11. this is wat one ahmadis guy(the guided) said:

    ///کیوں غضب بھڑکا خدا کا مجھ سے پو چھو غافلو

    Tsunami warning after 7.8 earthquake shakes Indonesia’s northwest island of Sumatra///

    bro ahmadiyyachannel replied:

    ahmadis have a strange way of looking at things
    when you suffer your claim its because you are on the correct path
    when muslims suffer you claim its punishment
    when muslims quote the population you say numbers dont matter
    yet when you quote your own fabricated population numbers you say its proof you are on the correct path
    when mirza ghulam qadiani died a painful and humiliating death you say its not divine punishment
    when zia ul haq gets murdered by the CIA you say thats punishment.

  12. Zia
    yeh thats right there bro the Qadianies have a strange way of looking at things i think they are already praying to YALAASH for me and your death! coz we are exposing thier False religion

    and lets hope that they dont for a Earthquake or a Tsunami or even worst a Old Testament style Plague or Locust so we are driven out from the land LMAO

  13. the reason ahmadis do not consider their persecution to be analogous to muslim persecution is because the muslims are not persecuted solely because of their beliefs. there’s some politics mixed in there.

    also the reason ahmadis have to deny jihad is because of the hadith:

    …he (isa alayhi salaam) will abolish the jizya as there will be no more (at this point the ahmadi book inserts the world “religious,” i don’t know the validity of this assertion) wars… (tibraani)

    declaring jihad would prove MGA’s falsehood as he would not have ended religious wars. i remember hearing a senior jamaat member saying that the war in chechnya was a “true jihad” on an ahmadi radio show. he must have forgotten about this hadith.

      • does that mean anti-anti-ahmadi or just ex-ahmadi? i goggled the word dissident but i’m still confused.

        either way that’s a question i can’t really answer. not just because it’d make me uncomfortable but also because i don’t know the answer myself.

    • Also it does not mean that during the war ISA(AS) will end the war
      it will becoz of the conditions

  14. muslim first
    bro sorry to say this but i think that u are a X-ahmady who is still a bit confused about what u believe and follow but if u are a Qadiany then please get to know us Muslims a bit better we are not that Scary at all bro and engage with us and learn more about islam OK

  15. Scary Mullah
    what a scary name u have LOL but u dont scare me at all mr nice Mullah

  16. Dear brother,
    Based on the arguments put forward by Ahmadi’s it is clear that their claim of “Love for all and hate for none” is very hollow. Their hatred towards Mus… and their blind following of false Prophet MIRZA who has been proven beyond doubt to be a deceiver and worshipper of the Brit….Raj. Only God almighty can open their eyes and we pray to God for that.

  17. its interesting that muslims are fighting against other muslims .. even when you say that ahmadies do not belong to muslims i read a lot and for the whole world the same religiouse background means the same religion so its kind of funny to see the clash coused by the “true muslims” playing god and killing other muslims .. even when some say they are not muslims i know that much about the kalma and suprisingly i noticed that you are not just playing god but you’re better then superman because you can read minds and see that they are lying .. iam a well educated student living in germany and i studied the country of pakistan a lot and iam sure until you do not find a liberal solution to clear problems between citizen issues this country will go down ..

    and by the way i dont see the point why killing people because they think diffrent are they hurting you !? i mean common i dont like the way you are talking here so is that a reason to die for me too??

    so i hope you dont kill me talking in a so agressive way 😀 …

    • Since you are well educated, I suggest you read books of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and try to see what your jamaat is doing in the name of Islam. You will find every answer to your questions and maybe (if Allah wills) it will lead you to the true path of Islam by leaving the falsehood of Ahmadiyyat which is nothing more than a mafia cult.

  18. and even if the ahmadies are wrong .. on one hand you are praying for them to let them lead to the “right way” thats okey .. the controverse reaction is that : ohh god is not listening to us or maybe he wont listen to ohh okey then why not just kill them on our own .. much faster you re right but i hope i could show you the controverse reaction of your way of thinking .. i dont want to talk about diffrence of that religion but what i know is that you are much more agressive then they are .. thats really funny for me beeing an observer because a few stamtements before it reads “we are not that Scary at all” .. i havent heared an ahmady killed another muslim but i heared it otherwise a lot .. just think about that ……………………… and hopefully you see why that bad reputation of islam is spread .. and this time you cannot blame the ahmadies .. read the news !!

    • Like a typical ahmadi and westren media behavior you have started generalization.

      If muslims really wanted to kill the ahmadis then you wouldnt have seen cities like Rabwah in Pakistan

      nor u would have seen the such number of ahmadis in Pakistan or other part of world.

      So we dont support such killings but that does not mean u just start doing generalization

    • @observer,
      ” I havent heard an ahmady killed another muslim………….”

      Your cult directly and/or indirectly supports the wholesale murder of muslims…………and does everything possible in its capacity to destroy them and their religion. Where have you been that you don,t even know this?

      Although we sympathize with any innocent people being killed, we are not narrow minded like your cult murabbis and leaders who only care about their cult agenda and show no remorse towards people of other faiths who are suffering.

      Please stop blaming innocent people and ask your cult murabbis and leaders on what they have done that causes problems to others and in return brings it to your own cult?

  19. Observer

    Did you actually smiled at what just happened in lahore ? So you are really going to love it when your Masroor spreads the words like ” Muslim extremist Mullahs killed Innocent Ahmadis ” ? Do you really think that the people who committed the attacks actually did the right thing according to islam ? As a muslim we all have been facing such extremists throughout past few years , you dont have to do generalization here because muslims also never support such extremist behaviour ! We as muslims are all sad because of that incident but that doesnt make US the extremists ! Those who are involved in such harsh actions towards the muslims get highly brain washed and mis guided by a handful of miscreants operating throughtout the world working against islam ! Let me tell you very frankly my friend Islam doesnt include all this and we as Muslims are not a part of it . Do you know what your Masroor does when such incidents happen to ahmadis ? He plays the role of a *cry baby* missing no chance to blame and point the finger towards Islam , in other words these incidents actually keeps his business going ! People like you are always infront of your MTA getting brain washed by your murrabis and the fact is you people actually love it when we the Muslims get killed in suicide attacks which have been happening for the past few years now ! What do you say when the Muslims get killed ? ” you are being killed because you didnt accept the promised messiah ” ! Now that today innocent ahmadis were killed what is going to be your stance ? Now you have US to blame right…thats how shallow your thinking is my friend !

    Let me mark again , these attacks have nothing nothing to do with Islam and the Muslims ! Please dont carry a stance like the christians ! Your leader is going to be the first one to give us a bad name ! Infact he must have already done it….and people like you must have watched it and now without any doubt you’l be thinking that you are a part of some “blessed community” because you are always so *innocent* . Grow up please ! This is not what we learn from Islam ! And moreover this doesnt actually prove that you are a part of some *divine faith* . Have a look into your real inner * family owned business politics * and learn about Islam before blaming us !

    May God Show You The Right Path,
    Indeed Allah knows best !

  20. iam not a part of anything but i know a lot of diffrent people esspecially pakistani with diffrent believes .. even when the ahmadies are happy, this is what i could understand from your replies, let them be happy about your deaths and pray to god and let them be happy even they are wrong. why do you discuss about that so much i never saw somebody discussing so much between other devisions ..
    okey my fault thats true .. i saw a lot of ahmadies with other muslims beeing friends that was my wrong statement you are not those who are killing ahamdies .. true
    .. but still there are a lot of laws against them to restrict them .. why ??? i mean i live in germany dont you see the parallels with the juwes in our history
    .. when they got brainwashed okey .. but they do not hurt somebody after beeing brainwashed ..
    so at least iam sorry .. my statemant was ment in a sarciastic way .. but i grew up in a country where every religion could live side by side and there was no fight no death .. so i dont see the point why to fight or to discuss about diffrent believes ..

  21. “Your cult directly and/or indirectly supports the wholesale murder of muslims…………and does everything possible in its capacity to destroy them and their religion. Where have you been that you don,t even know this?”

    thats also weird people are friends as i know ahamadies and other muslims, want to destroy them .. again for me its paradox .. but if you can give me an example iam satisfied
    .. not ment in a bad way iam honest i would like to know how a restricted minority could fight so hard to destroy the majority without even touching them ..

  22. Dear Observer,

    I sincerely believe Ahmadis are non-Muslim and I sincerely believe the terrorist who killed innocent Ahamdis yesterday are the worst creatures.
    We sincerely believe your faith is incorrect. But we are with you at this point of sorrow. Those who killed your brothers were not Muslims. They are out of pale of Islam more than anyone else.

    Let us not forget, we love you being our brother humans. All our efforts are to discuss and make the truth clear.

    Let me assure you, it was not only you who cried yesterday, we were with you.

    Love

    • Yes, we are with them in their sorrow, especially us reverts to Islam from Ahmadiyya, but they are not with us in ours, which happens on a daily basis without similar fanfare.

      • @ Observer

        “..not ment in a bad way iam honest i would like to know how a restricted minority could fight so hard to destroy the majority without even touching them”

        If you are honest. We are honest too. If we can see what your jamaat and its murabbis are doing to cause damage to Islam and Muslims, I am surprised how you cannot see it.

        Time and again we have given you examples of how your former Khalifa Tahir prayed for the destruction of Pakistan and also worked towards it. We have also told you how your murabbis and cult leaders are working day and night on an agenda to brainwash the politicians by giving them money and votes and try to turn them against the ordinary muslims. Your jamaat is working overtime on hate propaganda against muslims, this is my first hand experience and also trying to hijack Islam. How can we forget that you are following a leader who called all those who did not believe in him as Zurriyatul Baghaya. Your Khalifa Mahmud decalred Muslims as Kafirs and asked you not to pray behind them. There is lots more to say, but there is a time and occassion for everything. Yes we sympathise with any innocents being killed even in your jamaat, but your murabbis dont care. They are busy taking maximum advantage out of this crisis and to blame all muslims, particularly in the West. This is also our first hand experience. They will not listen to our expressions of sympathy. I have seen no remorse on their faces on murder of innocent Palestinians, Millions of Iraqi innnocents who have about 5 million Childrens orphaned. Not to mention over a million afghan deaths so far in the wars earlier and present. All this collective deaths of innocents they blame it due to not believing in MGA. Please correct your jamaat and its faults before you even blame others.

  23. I fail to understand the point of this post. You put up a random video of pain and suffering – and indeed it is suffering that is not deserved by any human being (and I say and believe this as an Ahmadi Muslim, contrary to your post title) – and couple that with a generic, callous statement that Ahmadi Muslims condone this…to achieve what exactly? You constantly whine and compain that Ahmadi Khulafa and Hadhrat Masih Maud (as) believe the Ummat deserves this – with no proof as usual. Indeed, we believe non-Ahmadi Muslims are misguided in their beliefs and you feel the same way about us, which is obvious and acceptable in itself or we wouldn’t belong to different sects. But how does that translate into us wishing pain upon our Muslim brothers and sisters? Show a video, reference, anything to prove this. Punishment can be inevitable sometimes when sin beckons the wrath of Allah, as the Prophet himself often stated (this is documented), and as a spiritual leader – of course our Khulafa will remind those that have passed all boundaries of decency and humanness (as witnessed during the attacks yesterday) that they are bringing wrath upon themselves – as prophets have done earlier (as mentioned in the Qur’an). But do they wish suffering for humans? No, as im sure you would agree. So why don’t you use the same yardstick to measure all circumstances and quit the double standards already? As for the “fanfare” over the attacks yesterday, you should be ashamed of yourself. if you listened to the friday sermons of Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad (aba), as I’m sure you do since you seem to always be updated on the details of Jamaat events/activities in order to pass your routine scrutiny, he (and all Khulafa before him) have always asked the community to pray for our Muslims brothers and sisters in pain everywhere and we have been involved in numerous relief activities for these same people that could care less about our own pain. It’s more than just lip service, unlike what we often receive. And if you had any ounce of integrity left in you, you would admit that. And since when are offers of sympathy and condolences suddenly “fanfare?” Is it fanfare as well when people offer sympathies to the suffering Palestinians, Iraqis, Afghans to which numerous social groups and organizations are dedicated to helping?
    Again, double standards. I’d like to take you seriously but this is the same verbal diarrhea I see on so many other anti-Ahmadi websites. All talk, no substance (i really did think this one would be different).

    Good luck in your future endeavours, you will need it.

  24. @K
    “Indeed, we believe non-Ahmadi Muslims are misguided in their beliefs …………..”

    I really don’t like to argue with some of the Ahmadi followers at this time. I know their hearts are filled with sorrow atleast some of those who are innocent and misguided. I like to pray for them and their families especially the young ones. But, I do reserve some different feelings towards their hardline murabbis whom I have seen in action and have always been amazed at how these men can claim to be Godly and on the other hand be so much full of hatred for those who are non-ahmadi’s, particularly the muslims. These are the people who are responsible for where this jamaat stands today, isolated and cut off from the muslim ummah as a separate religion and always creating fitnas one after another.

    How can non-ahmadi muslims be misguided? They did not corrupt their faith from what has been brought to them by their Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). They still believe in one GOD, one holy Quran and all the holy books and all the authentic Prophets of GOD like Jesus (pbuh), Moses (pbuh) and Abraham (pbuh).

    On the contrary Ahmadi’s have deviated from the path of Islam by starting to follow another self proclaimed Prophet MGA, twisting the meanings of the holy Quran and Hadith, to protect the false claims of MGA.

    What Ahmadiyyat has done is to try to cut the tree and its roots from which it takes the fruits. Your parent religion Islam from where you have gone astray was like your mother. You abandoned your mother and adopted a step mother Ahmadiyyat. You have betrayed your countries from where you came by establishing bases in foreign lands from where you unleash your anti-muslim propaganda by TV, news media etc. Your murabbis have left no stone unturned in spreading falsehood and hatred against muslims in the West. This is our first hand experience. What more proof do you want. Actually you should not be asking for proof, you should really be asking your murabbis and leaders as to why the muslim ummah feels so dissappointed with us? What is it that we have done to them? Are we really following the real Islam? Can we really continue to believe that MGA was a true prophet of GOD after so many clear statements in the holy Quran and hadith that there will be no more pophet to come after Muhammad (pbuh) except the return of Jesus (pbuh)? Why are we not allowed to pray behind muslims? Why do we always have to speak bad about muslims and their countries both publicly and secretly? Why do we associate with the enemies of muslims and support them to attack muslims everywhere? Why do we call all muslims as kafirs? and much more………

    Dear Ahmadi’s you need to do an introspection of your jamaat and its structure. Unless you do that you will not come to the right path you will remain isolated and misguided and thus causing more problems to yourself and other.

    As we speak your leaders and murabbis are working overtime once again to see how they can blame pakistan and the entire muslim ummah for the recent incidents. How they can extend these wars for more innocent muslims to be killed. What more do you want us to say? Please for the sake of your own good and for the good of humanity, come to the real Islam by leaving the falsehood of Ahmadiyyat. IshaAllah you will not regret leaving Ahmadiyyat. Be very critical of your Murabbis they are a bunch of misguided people who have sold their deen for the sake of this dunya and akhira.

  25. K

    We get killed on daily basis did you ever feel for that ? Did your Murrabis ever felt sorrow for us ? If they already know that such incidents are highly UnIslamic then how come they are always naming us as some * Jahil Mullahs * ? Or like * Sunni Muslims Killing Sunni Muslims * ? Is this how they feel when some innocent Muslim child , mother , father or a brother sister dies in some part of the world ? Not to mention regularly ! Do you know what is your * true Islamic * stance when such incidents happen to us ? You start giving statements like ” They get killed because they don’t believe in the promised messiah ” . Is this what your * true Islam * teaches you brother ? Tell me how would you feel if i now say to you : Ahmadis got killed because they believe in a liar ? Would that sound mature ? Or sensible ? We the Muslims feel the sorrow for all who lost their lives in this extremism. All those who committed such horrendous exercise have nothing to do with Islam because that is NOT WHAT ISLAM TEACHES US !

    So you must have read the press release of your leader right ? And then blindly following his words you have come here to blame us.This is your biggest deception my misled friend , Muslims all over the world are highly against such acts of terrorism and every sensible Muslim knows that such acts have nothing to do with the Islamic teachings ! So how come your leader is always in the first place giving US a bad name ? Don’t you see the hatred that lurks inside you ? These killings and all doesn’t actually prove you to be the right ones , that would really be a childish thought if that is in your mind. In Fact you should have a broad thinking right now . Think what status of the world has been described after the advent of Imam Mahdi and ISA (AS) ? There was supposed to be GLOBAL PEACE in this world if the messiah has already come , do you see any of that around you my brother ?

    You really need to read your books my brother . You need to seek the right path , that is the reason why you were born in this world. This is the reason why God has created mankind , to seek the righteous path. Its your right brother take it.You need to ask your Murrabis hell lot of questions , if you won’t do that you will stay misguided like this.

  26. T.M, Abdul Basit,

    (FYI, I’m a sister) I’m surprised at the amount of conspiracy theories you were able to clump together within a few paragraphs. I mean, honestly. Indeed, I have been an Ahmadi Muslim all my life but did not care for the faith until a little while ago AFTER I took the liberty of reading the books on my own with an unbiased quench for truth. It was after careful critical analysis and examination of a number of faiths that I learned what true faith meant for me – and that was indeed Islan, Ahmadiyyat. So yes, brother, I have read many if not all of the books by the Promised Messiah (as) and have found more peace than I ever knew. But thank you for the invitation to do so.
    As for the incoherent jamble about Murabbis telling us to hate, etc -never in my life have I witnessed that. I live in the West, I can easily choose to leave my faith if I wish. And had I experienced hate-mongering amongst the community as you constantly hamper, I would have done so within a second. Hate can never bring peace of mind to ones’ soul. But none of this is true in my experience and in the experience of numerous other devout Ahmadi Muslims. And so this Deen remains in my soul. Of course I don’t expect you to believe any of this, and that’s not my concern. Nor did I come here to “blame” you for what’s going on. As you may have read in my post, I asked Shahid sahib the purpose of this entry – I was confused. So spare me the rhetoric please.

    Peace.

    • What year did MGA claim prophethood? And dont look it up…off the top of your head..give me an answer…

    • Of course I don’t expect you to believe any of this, and that’s not my concern.

      I think if your deen is correct and you are confident on it; please also offer the message of your deen. I promise if you convince I will convert.

      Please inform us what is the difference between us and you. Why did you need to start a new religion and why you accepted it compared to Islam that was brought by Hazrat Muhammad pbuh.

      • yeah i tell u the difference .
        once the same question was asked to one of my sahabi

        he answered it with the challenge.
        when some one asked why he accepted the ahmadiyyat , he said
        ” i lost my GOD . i went to all other sects and asked DO GOD SPEAKS NOW ? but i was told by all those sects that GOD used to speak in past but now he does not speak.
        and i figured it out that all the things realted to the GOD are just stories , i was about to leave the islam and become atheist because for me if there was the GOD then why did he stoped talking with his people.

        but then someone came to my help , he said “who says GOD do not speak , he do speaks and he speaks with me and he can speak with u as well. you just need to follow me ”

        that someone was noneother the mirza ghulam ahmad (as)

        AND BY GOD IN WHOSES HAND LIES MY LIEF THE GOD OF MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD SPEAKS WITH ME AS WELL.
        IS THERE ANY ONE WHO CAN SAY THAT THEY HAVE SUCH GOD WHO SPEAKS WITH THEM.

        the whole crowd went silent “”

        this is the differnce , with alll ur lofty claims , with all ur so called prayers and jihads and calling all other kaffirs . if u have the GOD , if your GOD speaks with u guys then come and show his existance. show us that GOD .
        that GOD is the GOD of ahmadiyyat and he speaks with us .
        the difference is in the GOD .

        Your GOD do not speaks and our GOD speaks.
        your GOD is sleeping and our GOD is not

    • If it was just about having peace why not become Jain or Buddhist there whole beliefs are based upon peace?

      but religion is not just about peace its about belief and having peace is just part of it a imp part.

      and If it was about peace then why follow Mirza Ghulam? coz Islam has already preached it

      • waoo ,just see what mr zia is answering . to find peace one should go to budhisma etc etc.

        then , the great scholar tells us that religion is about the believes ,

        yeah belives of having a 2000 old prophet living in the sky ,
        belives of his (as) return having hands on the shoulder of two angles, belive of killing people with the eyes. belives of a DAJJAL which will be so powerful that no man can kill him , but the jesus will kill single handedly , with his eyes. and this is the very reason of the survival of a prophet jesus for so much long time.
        A GOD needed a prophet to kill a DAJJAL . with no other option he had to lifit his messenger to the skies .

        these are nothing but some Great belives , that satisfy the childish nature of these peoples
        and these are the belives which make them truthfull

        one cannot stop to laugh….

          • Mr shahid , if u paid a little attention u must not have alleged me of above allegation
            i am not lauging on hazrat Muhammad (saw) words but on that meaning which are against the islam , quran and hadiths.

          • my point with reference to being able to spread lies goes here as well. im not saying you started these lies…..and im not saying i have clear cut proof that they are lies (although im convinced they are) but what im saying is dont look at things like what you’ve mentioned here as undoubtedly the truth. As in my example, in the same way, i could pull up so many references indicating michael jackson to be a peaodophile. but no one knows if that’s actual fact. so please stop making these offensive remarks as actual facts. Ahmadies respect Jesus (as) as a prophet and no real ahmady from MGA (as), till today has ever cursed or abused him. Your sources are merely media hype hatred against islam. Like i said, i have personal contacts with the present and previous Khalifa, who both knew me since my childhood.

          • Please try and understand this. It’s very simple. We take quotes from Mirza’s books. We establish context so as not to pull a fast one. The references are authentic. Mirza comes out very badly. I asked you to check the references on ahmadibeliefs.com about Isa (as). You cannot deny those references. They are authentic. Yet you still deny. That’s cognitive dissonance. You need to wake up. The rest of what you’ve said about knowing the Mirzas is irrelevant, please stick to the topic instead of running off on irrelevant tangents.

          • We have researched almost every issue thoroughly and proved factoids thru this research.

            What references or ideas are you questioning. Please pose this data!

          • Sorry couldn’t resist one last snide:

            I think you know that brother Nawaz was laughing at the interpretation of the words of Rasulullah (saw) by the vast majority of the non-Ahmadi Muslim ummat. Although I agree, it’s not a laughing matter. It’s a shame, really. To literally believe that Jesus (as) remains alive for millions of years in the clouds (defying Qur’anic teachings of mortality), only to descend onto planet earth on a one-eyed fire-breathing donkey to kill all cross-bearing Christians flies in the face of sanity, and Islam is a very rational religion. That my dear Muslim brothers and sisters do not love the Prophet (saw) enough to put a little strain on their minds and contemplate, reflect, understand what the Prophet (pbuh) really did mean when he said these words, is a shame brother. To associate a murderous Jesus (as) with the most peaceful and loving man to have walked on this planet, Muhammad(saw) by Muslims is a travesty. And yet Ahmadi Muslims are the ones who “mock” the beloved Prophet (saw). The irony.

            For real this time, peace.

          • Snide. That somas you up nicely. We are not your brothers and sisters. (You are obviously unaware of your own theology)

            Why mock and taunt and ridicule and then offer peace? That’s cognitive dissonance and it marks you out as confused, arrogant and disingenuous.

            Why obsess about Isa (as) ? Don’t you know your curse master prophet hated Jesus (pbuh) and abused him? No wonder you people hate us and treatbus with derision. You should read about Mirza chasing a married woman and ripping off his followers, but you will only get hidaayah if Allah (SWT) wills.

          • “We are not your brothers and sisters. (You are obviously unaware of your own theology).”

            First of all, you don’t speak for the entire Ummah, even though you may like to think so. And I am indeed aware of my own theology, which is exactly why I use the term for ALL Muslims. I have numerous Sunni/Shiite friends who i’ve grown up with and debated about these issues with. Regardless of our differences, I love them dearly and would give my life for them if anything, God forbid, were to happen. And they would do the same. So no, sir, I do not hate my Muslim brothers and sisters – I love them as one would love a family. And to try to prove otherwise is silly, although I can tell you’re not above that.

            “Why mock and taunt and ridicule and then offer peace?”

            Actually, I wasn’t. I was stating the beliefs adhered to by the Ummah as it is, word for word. If you think that was taunting, perhaps you may want to re-asssess your own beliefs then. As I mentioned before, it’s not a humorous matter – it in fact makes me sad that these beliefs are held. And I offer peace because I mean it. I want peace between everyone regardless of differences, as cliche as that may sound.

            What I don’t want is this hate-mongering you’re doing. You can believe whatever you want about the Promised Messiah (as) and Jama’at Ahmaddiya. But blanket statements like the one for this post make me really sad, and I admit a little hasty, because I am truly against human suffering regardless of colour, faith, etc. Look at this:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe0YsjTdrtg

            It’s footage of some of the Ahmadi Muslims trapped in the Lahore mosques during the attack. I’m sure you’d agree it’s sad to watch. Now if I was to put up a statement on a public site saying that Sunni Muslims believe we deserve this (which by the way HAS been said a number of times by people), for everyone to see – I’m sure that would infuriate you as well because it would be a lie. And that’s what I was calling you out on, which you did not respond to actually – so no, I dont think you were paying attention.

            I debate with non-Ahmadi Muslim brothers and sisters all the time, many of whom are my best friends. And it’s always civil, respectful and even humorous. Admittedly, my tone becomes more sarcastic on your website (though i’m still not vile or verbally abusive) because of your sweeping generalizations. I adopt your tone of language (and i probably shouldn’t) so if you think I’m hateful, deluded, etc – that’s what you sound like, sir.

            I apologize if I hit a raw nerve, clearly I did. You can accept it or not, up to you. But i’ve said what i needed to say.

            Peace.

            “No wonder you people hate us and treatbus with derision. ”
            Actually, we don’t. Please stop trying to speak for entire groups of people, it makes you sound silly.

        • Jesus as was born miracurously without a father. InshaAllah his return will also be miraculous.

          The majority of muslims and christians believe in his return.

          Your jamaat that claims to be “muslims who believe in the messiah” follow MGA as the messiah, mehdi and prophet and make fun of Jesus as.

          This does not surprise me at all when I read how your founder MGA abused Jesus as and his mother Mary p.b.u.h.

          How can you even believe in MGA as a messiah or prophet when he used such vulgar words against a noble prophet of GOD jesus as and his mother on whose name there is a whole chapter in the holy Quran (sura maryam)

          Ahmadis please come to the right path of Islam. You have been mislead into the trap of Ahamdiyyat which is nothing more than a family run business of MGA.

          We only live once and it is not worth to risk you life in the hereafter for the sake of some petty worldly gains.

        • I agree buddhists talk more about peace than you do and they dont believe in GOD so if you want peace then please consider it. Also for the love which your jamaat claims, you can consider bollywood there is lots of love there……!!!

        • @Khalid Nawaz

          MGA came and left what difference did it make? It only created problems for you and others. Even after 100y you are still a small minority cut off from the rest of the ummah by your own leaders and murabbis.

          So please come to common terms so that we worship none other than Almighty Allah s.w.t and follow his last and final messenger of peace Muhammad pbuh, and the religion of Islam which is the truth and was complete even before MGA.

  27. @k
    “Of course I don’t expect you to believe any of this, and that’s not my concern. Nor did I come here to “blame” you for what’s going on. As you may have read in my post, I asked Shahid sahib the purpose of this entry – I was confused. So spare me the rhetoric please.”

    Sister, please read your posts again. We have no reason to lie. When someone describes their true life experiences and you shrug it off as rhetoric and lies, that is not nice you know. If one or two persons say that you may say its their opinion, but remember there are a lot of people who are telling you the same thing then you know……they have some grounds.

    We have every reason to believe that Ahmadiyyat is not Islam. I have also done a lot of study, met many Ahmadis and their scholars and studied the views of decent brothers like Shahid Kamal. I have arrived at a solid conclusion that Ahmadiyyat is a cult and falsely uses the name of Islam to advance its agenda. Honestly, I care about my hereafter so I am happy where I am and I don’t want to ruin it by following people like MGA.

    If you don’t care about what the truth is and you are happy with your jamaat then let us say unto you is your faith unto me is mine and I seek refuge in Allah s.w.t to keep me protected from disbelievers.

  28. K

    Remember it was Mirza Ghulam that boost
    about have earth quakes like qayyamat coz people dont believe him
    plague becuase people dont believe him
    Predicting death of people

    where is peace there?

    If u talk about peace in QURAN then thats was given to us through Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) mirza ghulam has nothing to do with it.

    and if you want to talk about ur jammat being peaceful and thats ur reason of being ahmadi then Jainism, Buddhism are more based upon peace join their jammat 🙂

  29. Rationalist,
    “What year did MGA claim prophethood? And dont look it up…off the top of your head..give me an answer…”
    – Was that supposed to be an attempt at shrewd sarcasm, sir? I’ll entertain you in any case. The claim to subordinate prophet came in gradual stages, the finality of it in 1901 (A Misunderstanding Removed). Thank you for the trivia time.

    Newobserver,
    “I think if your deen is correct and you are confident on it; please also offer the message of your deen. I promise if you convince I will convert.
    Please inform us what is the difference between us and you. Why did you need to start a new religion and why you accepted it compared to Islam that was brought by Hazrat Muhammad pbuh.”
    – While I am confident of my faith, God alone knows what is correct. You don’t need to make any promises of conversion to me, your faith is between you and Allah, nor is that my intention. Also, if you are genuine in your search for truth, you would be seeking it out in legitimate places – not through random strangers on a site that is obviously catered to one specific goal. Moreover, Ahmaddiyat is not a “new” religion as emphasized constantly by the Promised Messiah (as) and the Jama’at. It is a community of Muslims (regardless of what others may think) that believes in the awaited Messiah of the Latter days, the same Messiah foretold by the Holy Prophet (pbuh).
    I wish you best of luck in your claimed search.

    Zia,
    “If it was just about having peace why not become Jain or Buddhist there whole beliefs are based upon peace?

    – You are correct. While peace is the core element of a true religion (and this is especially the case for Islam, the word Islam itself means peace remember?), it does not end there.
    For example rationality is a huge element of religion (ie: notions about prophets living in the clouds for millions of years and one-eyed fire-breathing donkeys killing every cross-bearing Christian in the world, etc have more to do with fairytale stories than religion).
    So what exactly is your point?

    “Why not become Jains or Buddhists?” Because we are Muslims.

    “Remember it was Mirza Ghulam that boost
    about have earth quakes like qayyamat coz people dont believe him
    plague becuase people dont believe him
    Predicting death of people”

    – Again, I fail to understand your point. If you read the actual words of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) instead of the usual cut and paste from the same websites over and over, you would understand that – as ALL prophets through the ages – the Promised Messiah (as) warns mankind that disbelief in him amounts to possible punishment from God because he is, after all, sent by the will of Allah. If you read the Qur’an, Allah constantly says that there is a punishment for those who disbelieve in His Messengers, who also relay the same thing to others. Are they boasting? No, they’re relaying the message. Again, use the same yardstick to assess things, folks. Whether you believe him to be true or not is up to you of course. Although interestingly, we can agree at least on the fact that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) was not a meteorologist, nor did he have any scientific training. But he predicted many earthquakes – and one glace in history reveals whether he was right or wrong about this. Something to think about.

    T.M,
    “If you don’t care about what the truth is and you are happy with your jamaat then let us say unto you is your faith unto me is mine and I seek refuge in Allah s.w.t to keep me protected from disbelievers.”
    – Yes, brother, I am very happy. And as you know, the Jama’at has always adhered to the Qur’anic principle of live and let live everywhere it has established itself. You will not find a single act of terrorism incited by the community, despite all the rhetoric and personal anecdotes. But have our fellow non-Ahmadi Muslim brothers and sisters done the same? The answer is obvious. Talk is nice, but action defines integrity, and thereby determines if you will be taken seriously by others.

    Congratulations brothers, you’ve managed to completely side-track the conversation (which is what usually happens on these sorts of sites) and brother Shahid has yet to provide me an answer to my original and only question, the purpose of this post. But his silence is enough of an answer for me now. I thank you for reminding me of the blessing endowed upon me by Allah (swt): Islam and Ahmaddiyat.

    JazakAllah for engaging with me, I will end this here.

    Peace.

    • Islam doesn’t mean peace. Learn some Arabic. Salaam means peace. Islam means submission/surrender.

      You accuse all Muslims of terrorism. You’re seriously hateful and deluded. No different to the BNP, but more of a cult. Sad.

      • “You’re seriously hateful and deluded. No different to the BNP, but more of a cult. Sad.”

        Wow. All done with the pre-pubescent like name-calling banter? Great. I hope you feel better about yourself now.

        Islam is derived from the word salam, meaning peace and ‘sil’ meaning submission to the will of Allah. So in other words, the name in its entirety would mean peace derived from submission to the will of Allah. Interestingly, Dr.Zakir Naik, obviously a sunni Muslim scholar, says the exact same thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09PsIC-l19w
        Does he need to learn Arabic as well? Learn to double-check your facts, and some courtesy while you’re at it.

        • You’re the one coming here behaving like an arrogant cultee. Great advert for “love for all” You know zero Arabic and had to google it.

          Islam is not derived from the word salaam. It is derived from the triliteral root “sa-la-ma”. I didn’t have to google any of that. The primary meaning of Islam is submission. Interesting that you quote a Muslim student of comparative religion and not a Mirzai, but it makes no difference. Islam doesn’t primarily mean peace. Your ignorance got exposed and you countered with sarcasm. You started here with sarcasm and that is how you have continued.

          Now you go learn some humility instead of calling your elder pre-pubescent. Is that what your cult teaches you? Disrespect for your elders? You are stewing in hatred. Neither that nor your cognitive dissonance will serve you.

          • Yes, sir, I’m the one coming here because you’ve made this a public forum. Relax, I won’t come again if it bothers you that much.

            And yes I did have to google that because I wanted to know whether I was right in my belief. And had I been wrong, I would have apologized. But if confirmed what I knew already. I wasn’t claiming to be an expert in any case. And actually, I respect quite a few non-Ahmadi Muslim scholars for their ideas.

            As I stated in my other lengthy post you selectively chose not to reveal (as you may do with this one), I told you the reason why I’m more sarcastic on this site than i’ve ever been with any of my non-Ahmadi muslim brothers and sisters who always talk to me about these differences. You make sweeping generalizations like the one for this title. I do NOT wish suffering on ANYONE and always call out on public forums against it. and I already apologized on the other post because i obviously have you worked up. but that was NOT my intention. i wanted you to understand what your tone may sound like. you are older than me but you didn’t refrain from sarcasm and insults either, what about setting an example for youngers?

            i’ll stop coming here now, i realize it bothers you and like I said, irritating you wasn’t my intention Shahid (you don’t like being called ‘brother’ so..uncle?).

            Peace.

          • Chill out, the team doesn’t monitor the blog comments 24/7! Both your comments were in the moderation queue and try both got through!

            Can we start again? I apologize for being a grumpy old uncle/brother/choose expletive whatever with you. Call me what you like. You are welcome here and I will try and hold back on some of the sarcasm if you will do the same. Deal?

    • @k
      With no disrespect to what you believe. We still think that you need to continue to study more about ahmadiyyat and the teachings of islam with an open mind. It takes more time for some people than others, but inshaAllah we hope & pray that in time you will also be able to receive the hidaya from Allah s.w.t. and be guided to the true path of Islam. Please don’t shoot the messengers, our job is just to convey the message. Sorry if any harsh language was used and if it hurt your feelings. Our intention is not to hurt your feelings but to expose the fraud of Ahmadiyyat that is not true Islam.

    • Wow, she responded to everybody.

      I like your dedication indeed. So, let me get this straight, MGA didnt understand that he was a prophet for like 20 years. That never happened before, , no other proohet suffered from that disorder, did you know that in 1891 MGA said that anyone who claims prophethood is a Kaafir. Did you know that he urged the ulama in 1891 to believe him in terms of his denial to prophethood. Then, 10 years later he just went ahead and did it. Might as well, they hated him anyways, might as well go all out…

      And this is the guy you owe homage to??

  30. @K

    The wisdom can come from any source. You may give a peace of advice which might be verifiable and I might do the same to you. If you tell me the truth and explain my belief is incorrect I am duty bound to change my belief. You said :

    “It is a community of Muslims (regardless of what others may think) that believes in the awaited Messiah of the Latter days, the same Messiah foretold by the Holy Prophet (pbuh).”

    Can you please advise what was foretold by the Holy Prophet – as far as I know he told about Isa ibn Maryam coming back – but you are not follower of Isa ibn Maryam. Please explain.

  31. “So please come to common terms so that we worship none other than Almighty Allah s.w.t and follow his last and final messenger of peace Muhammad pbuh, and the religion of Islam which is the truth and was complete even before MGA”

    We do only worship Allah s.w.t and we do follow the seal of all he prophets, Mohammad(saw).
    It is because of His prophecies that we also believe, like all other Muslims believe, that someone will come after him. So up until this point, we are basically all the same Muslims. Agreed?
    The difference comes in when you say it will be the return of Jesus (as), whereas we say it was Hadhrat MGA (as).
    We all have reasons to believe we’re the ones in the right…so leave the rest for God to judge….afterall, that’s God’s right….NOT ANY human’s.
    If you believe the others are non-muslims (or kafirs), then fine. That’s your opinion, and keep it to yourself.
    But no one shud be allowed to actually label anyone else a non-muslim. That’s God’s decision to make.
    By stating the logic that the truth was completed before MGA(as), and that is why you believe he was wrong, you are ruling out the possibility of anyone coming (or returning for that matter) at all. So, u either accept the possibility of MGA (as) being truthful (its up to you whether u believe it or not, but at least admit that this shows there’s a chance of him being truthful), or you shut off the possibility of any promised messiah coming after Mohummad (saw), in which case you’d be going againt The Holy Prophet’s (saw) and Allah’s words (Nousobillah).

    So let’s just say we all believe in one God, Allah… Mohammad was His servant and Messenger. The Quran is His holy book. We do namaz, to Allah, 5 times a day.
    And leave the decision making to Allah Himself.

  32. “your MIRZA and his false GOD YALLASH”……WAT?!

    “Your khalifa Tahir prayed for the demise of mulsims and their countries and did everything possible to destroy”….where are you guys getting your so-called ‘facts’ from?! This is just as bad as when the BNP came on TV and said the Quran encourages Jihad (he meant in the sense that we all agree to disagree on). The BNP guy even said on tv “dont deny it, its in The Quran”.
    When we all know it isnt….and whatever he is referring to, he has taken in the wrong context, or just twisted, or hasnt actually seen it for himself from a non-biased source.
    This is exactly what you guys are doing here. Please read my above post…..Im an Ahmadi, and ive clearly stated what i believe in my previous post. You can carry on trying to tell me what you think i believe all you want….its rude, ignorant and disrespectful….just as much as the guy who made the first post on this page…..i know you’re Ahmadi by name, but dont advertise any kind of attitude like this under your faith! whether you’re ahmadi, jew, sunni, christian, or watever.
    That video is cruel and unjust. What those people would or wouldnt do if they had the power is not for you to throw guesses at, and then laugh at seeing them being murdered like they were.

    I pray God forgives ALOT of people for the things Im reading on this website! Whether you believe the prophecy is for Jesus (as) to return, or you believe it was MGA (as) who has already come and gone, we are all supposed to follow the teachings layed down by Allah, through The Holy Prophet (saw) and so far about 80% (at least) of wat ive read on this site is going against everything Islam is supposed to be.

    AGAIN please read my previous post. I pray we can at least agree on my point there, at the very least.

    • @Lordknows

      Yes, there is lots of evidence that Mirza Tahir and other Khalifas, most of murabbis, worked and prayed against muslims or their countries. This jamaat has intentionally supported organizations and wars that are against muslims. Indeed jamaat leaders (like naseem mahdi) have brainwashed politicians openly and secretly against muslims. Assigned members of this jamaat have spied on innocent mulsims and spread wrong things about them because you don’t want to believe in what they believe and consider them as kafirs (once again based on your khalifas instructions)

      Why do we have to keep giving the proof of jamaats wrong doings all the time. Is it because someone want to know how these people gather proof of the jamaats open or secret plots against musilms? So that it can be covered up?

      Sorry I dont like to use harsh words but Ahmadi jamaat is no more than a cult and a family run business in the name of Islam. Please do not corrupt us, we follow Islam which is a noble religion and probably the only religion that is intact and it is definitely not worthy of being hijacked by the pirates of mirzology.

      can see yourself in the mirror sometimes.

    • Ahmadis willfully mistranslate verses of the Quran. See Chapter 2:4/5. Tell me that the word Akhira doesnt mean the Hereafter.

      From 1911 to 1930 the ahmadis had a much stricter attitude towards muslims. You guys wouldnt even say salaam to muslims.

      MGA was the greatest traitor of all time. He supported the white man in all of their ambitions for global domination. Even to this day, ahmadiyyat is supporting european domination.

    • Have you even heard of who Yalesh is? Do you even know that mahmud ahmad bribed the office of admissions at the college that Tahir Ahmad attended in England?

      There is alot that you dont know…

  33. LordKnows

    We appreciate your comments and we do agree that Indeed it is Allah SWT who knows best. But what you did their is generalization , we are Muslims or are we really ? Are we following God and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad SAW ? That is the only matter which judges if one is a true Muslim or not . What do you actually think of yourself ? Are you a True Muslim ? Or are we Muslims ? How would you come to know ? Reciting the Kalmah is easy for everyone and everyone recites it the same way as all should do.But then you see that there are so many fitnas against Islam today.How would you be able to prove yourself that you are not some fitna against Islam and you are truly following the Sunnah Of Muhammad SAW ? Indeed at this point one has to research on his own faith , his own believes AUTHENTICALLY AND LOGICALLY and match himself with the Sunnah Of Muhammad SAW and the foundation of Islam that was laid 1400+ years ago. You see my brother as a Muslim it is your duty to know more and more about your own faith and correct yourself if you are being drifted to a wrong direction.

    To come to know about all this one has to and one should do a thorough study of his own faith as a religious obligation and as a true muslim. What do you see over here ? Are we spreading hatred ? Or are we just conveying the message ? When you will study Ahmadiyya you will come to know of many many contradictions and false beliefs laid down by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian,India.One can easily mark his faith as the righteous one ( Indeed Allah knows best ! ) but that doesn’t mean we keep blindly following what have been told to us let alone our thinking that we are the rightful ones.Islam is simple , its pure and its not hard to understand at all and you can only and only come to know about it when you will deeply study your faith and then compare it with what Muhammad SAW taught us.

    Coming to Ahmadiyya , making it simple for the moment and not going deep ; Ahmadiyya is NOT islam. How ? You will find out when you will read your own books , look at your religion logically with all the happenings around you and when you will question it you won’t be able to come to a logical conclusion.Your religion has been caught twisting the Quran and Hadith.Your prophet has been caught hurling abuses at others including ISA (AS). Your prophet has been observed having such and such qualities that are miles away from a character of a prophet BY GOD. That is all what sums up your community and brother we have the proofs,experience and the logical statements that are required , so all that you read around here its not at all our made up statements please mind it. The only question is ARE YOU WILLING TO LEARN ABOUT YOUR FAITH ? Or are you just going to leave it like this and wait for it till it gets too late.

    May Allah SWT bless you and guide you to HIS path.
    Peace.

  34. Welcome to the blog and forum sister K , please be our guest and discuss Ahmadiyya in the most honorable manner . Ask anything as you please . Search for the truth . May Allah SWT bless you and guide you to the rightful path . Amin !

  35. can i just say here….you guys say alot about our jama’at’s theologies, which are all things completely opposite to what we preach.
    A few of my direct family members personally knew the 4th and the current Khalifa as well, so please dont try to say i dont know what im talking about. The present khalifa even remembered me wen i was little, the last time i met him. So i know everything they’ve preached and what they’re like….personally…how many of u guys can say that, before u carry on spreading these lies?
    These are horendous jokes…..for example our khalifa’s have worked against muslim countries?! I know for a fact that these are lies. And so i find them very very offiensive! This is the last i will say on the subject, so please, believe what you will after this. And may God forgive you.
    I will leave you with this thought though….for those of you who think you can prove the things you say….let me give you an example of a recent lie in the media…michael jackson being a peodaphile…..is this a definate fact? No. Yet even i could dig out sources to say otherwise. So in the same way (and i am in no way comparing michael jackson to Khalifa’s, simply comparing the matter of the lies spread about them), you guys are being misled into Ahmady motives and history.
    Believe in them as men of God or not, that’s your choice to make after you pray and ask Allah yourself. But do not carry on spreading lies about people you dont know…..like i said, i have personal contacts in these areas, which is what gives me the ability to speak out on this blog like this.

    • Thats the problem with ahmadis. You believe your khalifas to be honest. Thats the first problem. After this mind-state all logic is out of the window. It is in fact this mind-state that has you believing in ahmadiyyat.

      You need to step and analyze ahmadiyyat from a nuetral perspective then go thru your research data.

      Remember, Hazrat Fatima (ra) never accepted the khilafat of Hazrat Abu Bakr (ra). Khalifat may not be the perfect islamic system of governance.

      Remember, Hazrat Ayesha (ra) waged a jihad against Hazrat Ali (ra) who was the khalifa of the time.

  36. k, beautifully spoken. I too only ask that these statements being presented here as factual are thought about before being posted for everyone to see.
    And thanks to shahid and others for hearing us out and agreeing to carry on these debates with peace.

    • Of course. Please understand, we mean you no harm. We just want you to return to Islam. It’s not easy. It will hurt. All truth has a price. Please be patient and bear with us. Both you and K are the nicest Ahmadis we’ve had here in a while, obviously not the professional murabbi type. You remind me of some other Ahmadis who left Ahmadiyya and reverted to Islam.

      We are your well-wishers. We want nothing more than to welcome you to Islam. I was Ahmadi once, so I know that sounds odd to you. “What do you mean welcome us to Islam?” you might be wondering. Well, we will be happy to explain, insha’Allah. Stay tuned!

    • We are ready to engage you or the Sultanul-qalam team or any other ahmadi in peaceful debate.

      Call us to your mosques, call us to your conventions. We are ready. We are only awaiting an invitation.

  37. I would like to add, where i have said “misled into Ahmadi beliefs and motives” i meant to say “misled about….”

    • Pose me 5 questions as a starter… i will answer them directly, but then i will ask you to answer 5.

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