Hadith & Alleged Death of Jesus -4 (Did he die at the age of 120?)

Qadianis say that Jesus (PBUH) died at the age of 120. They refer to a certain narration. In the following lines we unveil the truth about the narration and the fragility of Qadiani belief. They say:

Aishah (God be pleased with her) said that, in his illness in which he died, the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: `Every year Gabriel used to repeat the Quran with me once, but this year he has done it twice. He has informed me that there is no prophet but he lives half as long as the one who preceded him. And he has told me that Jesus lived a hundred and twenty years, and I see that I am about to leave this world at sixty’ ” (Hajaj at-Kiramah, p. 428; Kanz al-Ummal, vol. 6, p. 160, from Hazrat Fatima; and Mawahib al-Ladinya, vol. 1, p. 42)

The Truth:

Actually the narration comes from Mu’jam Tabarani Kabeer. Its a part a longer narration. Its last part relevant to our discussion here goes as:

وَأَخْبَرَنِي أَنَّهُ أَخْبَرَهُ أَنَّهُ لَمْ يَكُنْ نَبِيٌّ إِلا عَاشَ نِصْفَ عُمَرَ الَّذِي كَانَ قَبْلَهُ، وَأَنَّهُ أَخْبَرَنِي أَنَّ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ عَاشَ عِشْرِينَ وَمِئةَ سَنَةٍ وَلا أُرَانِي ذَاهِبًا عَلَى رَأْسِ السِّتِّينَ

“And I have been told that there is no Prophet after other Prophet but he lives a life half then the one who lived earlier. And I have been told that Jesus, the son of Mary lived for a hundred and twenty years and I do not see myself but approaching sixties”
(Mu’jam Tabarani Kabeer Hadith 18464, Tarikh Damishq 47/481-482 quoted in Kanz Al-Ummal 11/479 H.32262 & 13/676 H.37732)

Issues with this narration:

1) According to rules of narration (riwayah): Hafiz Haithmi has called it Daeef (i.e. unauthentic). After quoting this narration he writes:

رواه الطبراني باسناد ضعيف ، وروى البزار بعضه أيضا وفى رجاله ضعف

“Tabarani narrated it with a weak chain and Bazzar also narrated some part of it and in its chain (also) is weakness.”
(Majma’ Al-Zawai’d Wa Manba Al-Fawai’d 4/67, Chapter on the illness and death of the Prophet)

2) In the light of rationality (diraya): According to the principle of diraya (i.e. rationality) as well, this narration is not acceptable. The narration gives the notion as if every Prophet lives half the age of the Prophet immediately before him. This cannot be true and thus can never be uttered by the Noble and Truthful Prophet (PBUH). If Jesus (PBUH) lived for 120 years then John the Baptist (Yahya A.S.) should have lived for 240 years but he lived less then the period Jesus (PBUH) remained on Earth. Moreover following this cycle we have to believe that Adam (PBUH) perhaps lived millions of years which cannot be true.

3) Moreover there is a lot of confusion regarding the wording of the of the narration which is even otherwise weak. In Ibn Asaakir’s Tarikh Damishq (47/482) and Ibn Saa’d’s Tabaqaat Al-Kubra (2/195) there are narrations that tend to convey as if Jesus (PBUH) lived for 150 years. Indeed  these narrations are also of dubious narration like the one about 120 years.
Ibn Asaakir after quoting both these narrations says:

كذا في هاتين الروايتين والصحيح أن عيسى لم يبلغ هذا العمر

“It’s like that in these two narrations [about 120 & 150 years] and the truth is that Jesus (PBUH) did not reach this age.”
(Tarikh Damishq 47/482)

To turn the tables, let me ask why do the Qadianis not take the narration in full and apply it to other issues? Does it not say, “And I have been told that there is no Prophet after other Prophet but he lives a life half then the one who lived earlier”? While it does, how could Mirza Qadiani be a Prophet for according to this narration  if there ever was to be any Prophet after the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), he would live only 31 or 32 years, half of the Prophet’ (PBUH) age i.e. 63 years while Mirza lived far more. Verily this proves the fragility of Qadiani arguments.

May Allah guide everyone!

INDEED ALLAH KNOWS BEST!

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19 thoughts on “Hadith & Alleged Death of Jesus -4 (Did he die at the age of 120?)

  1. Good post brother and accordingly, taking the more known Prophets, their age should be as follows:

    Hazrat Adam (PBUH) = 122880 years old
    Hazrat Idris (PBUH) = 61440 years old
    Hazrat Nuh (PBUH) = 30720 years old
    Hazrat Ibrahim (PBUH) = 15360 years old
    Hazrat Isma’il (PBUH) = 7680 years old
    Hazrat Yaqub (PBUH) = 3840 years old
    Hazrat Yusuf (PBUH) = 1920 years old
    Hazrat Musa (PBUH) = 960 years old
    Hazrat Dawud (PBUH) = 480 years old
    Hazrat Sulaiyman (PBUH) = 240 years old
    Hazrat Isa ((PBUH) = 120 years old
    Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) = 60 years old

  2. @Waqar Akbar Cheema:

    I have NOT read your 4 part series. But only read last paragraph of your part 4:
    “To turn the tables, let me ask why do the Qadianis not take the narration in full and apply it to other issues? Does it not say, “And I have been told that there is no Prophet after other Prophet but he lives a life half then the one who lived earlier”? While it does, how could Mirza Qadiani be a Prophet for according to this narration if there ever was to be any Prophet after the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), he would live only 31 or 32 years, half of the Prophet’ (PBUH) age i.e. 63 years while Mirza lived far more. Verily this proves the fragility of Qadiani arguments.”

    I say you made a good point. You should demand answer to your questionfrom Qadianis. Qadianis believe more and more prophets will come *after* Rasul Allah SAWS. According to Qadianis Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib was a “prophet”. And it means with every new prophet his age will be half of preceeding prophet. A time will come when subsequent prophets will be 15 years, 7.5 years, 3.45 years….actually future prophets will be done with their ministry before they could reach age of maturity.

    Cheema sahib:
    Thank you for proving point made by Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib was *not* a prophet. And it is false accusation on him that he made claim of *ummati-Nabi*.
    Thank you for teaching Qadianis.

    • One more reference for you, from AAIIL.org, Izaala Auham:

      Under the heading: Jesus Christ used harsh language against his opponents
      http://www.ahmadiyya.org/books/izala-auham/iz1.htm

      “Jesus had to suffer much because of this sword of the tongue, and similarly John the Baptist who called the religious lawyers and leaders of the Jews as brood of vipers [Matthew, 3:7] was beheaded through their evil plans and schemes.”

      • And, am I mistaken or is MGA claiming that Yahya (as) and Esa (as) used foul language?

        As muslims we dont believe this as true, MGA must have used this strange theory of his from rationalizing his own “cursing”.

        MGA was a very sick person…I guess cholera and diarrhea effect the brain more than anything

        thank you mushtaq

  3. @ straight talker aka mushtaq malik

    You totally avoided the main point of the argument above? I cant believe that you are trying to expose the qadianis with this? This is why I call you a monkey, ape and and underdevelped form of human!

    Do you wear a helmet? I mean, do you have issues with pain in your brain? You should really seek professional help.

    @ waqar, this is a wonderful article, keep up the good work!

    I had actually read an article about this from alhafeez.org a few years back which led me to the realization that ahmadis and their daddy MGA specialize in “contextualization” of literature…

    I pray that Allah helps the brain of straight talker and blesses it with blood, it appears that this brain is underdeveloped…

  4. In my research I also noticed that MGA wrote that Esa (as) lived until age 125, whereas the reference that he gives says 120…MGA just wasnt good at referencing…

    Here is what the miscreant wrote:

    “Reliable reports in the Hadith show that the Holy Prophet said that Jesus was 125 years of age. Besides, all the sects of Islam believe that Jesus had two unique things about him — things which are not to be found in any other prophet, namely: (1) he lived to a full old age, i.e., to 125 years; ”

    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch2.html
    LOOK TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE

    Here is the link to reference through alislam.org, its in their book called “Beacon of Truth” a guide to useful references..enjoy
    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/qandeel/index.htm?page=66#top

    I am quite sure that the reason why Esa’s (age) was thought to be sooo long is because upon his return he was expected to live until Islam was triumphant, this is why his age has been described at even 150…This also proves that all of these people believed in a physical return of Esa (as)!!!!!!

  5. If you do care to read all the posts of the series you will understand what your elders have given you as ‘evidences’ is utterly baseless…the series will insha’Allah answer all the 12 plus narrations both Qadianis and Lahoris bring forward regarding Jesus’ (PBUH) alleged death. So stay tuned!

  6. ‘He has informed me that there is no prophet but he lives half as long as the one who preceded him. And he has told me that Jesus lived a hundred and twenty years, and I see that I am about to leave this world at sixty’

    at a seminar about isa (alayhi salaam), a very renowned ahmadi research scholar brought up this hadith. he said that it does not say that the prophet will *only* live half as long as the prophet that preceded him but that he will simply live half as long as the preceding prophet. so it means he will live *at least* half as long as the preceding prophet.

    therefore i don’t think poses a problem for ahmadis aside from the fact that it’s a weak hadith. however, that’s part of the bigger issue of ahmadi hadith sciences which i think should be addressed on this site by somebody more scholarly than me. all i do know is that it’s not the same hadith science that muslims had been using before pre-ahmadiyyah.

    • no where it says atleast half long as preceding prophet
      and it does not make sense either half as long previous one.

      plus it goes against the other narration of Jesus (PUBH) ascend and also scholors consider it daef had it been authentic we wouldnt have seen the huge majority having Ijmah on jesus ascend.

      • it also doesn’t say that he (sal allahu alayhi wa sallem) will *only* live half as long as isa (alayhi salaam). so either way you’re inserting a word into the hadith. either “only” or “at least.” inserting “only” makes more sense but inserting “at least” isn’t that far-fetched. and that’s the ahmadi interpretation so this argument won’t work.

        i totally agree with your second point. it’s difficult to discuss ahadith with ahmadis because they don’t really have hadith sciences nor do they put much weight on what the ulema have said. that’s the bigger issue in my opinion.

        • “And I have been told that there is no Prophet after other Prophet but he lives a life half then the one who lived earlier”?

          Ahmadis just ignore what does not suits them

          this is how their 2nd khalifah wrote:

          “Once in every year, Gabriel recited the Quran to me. This year he recited twice. He also told me that every succeeding prophet has lived to half the age of his predecessor. He told me that Jesus. son of Mary, lived to a hundred and twenty years. Therefore, I think, I may live to about sixty years”

  7. @ //at a seminar about isa (alayhi salaam), a very renowned ahmadi research scholar brought up this hadith. he said that it does not say that the prophet will *only* live half as long as the prophet that preceded him but that he will simply live half as long as the preceding prophet. so it means he will live *at least* half as long as the preceding prophet. //

    This is another gimmick and an attempt to catch at a straw…

    Prophet Zakariya (AS) is known to have been above 90 when Yahya (AS) was born and he died at the age of well above 100 while Yahya (AS) who was the next prophet after him lived at the most 42 years. This way his age doesn’t make up to even half of the Zakariya’s (AS) age.

    Indeed the statement is utterly false and cannot be believed to have been made by the Truthful and Trustworthy Prophet Muhammad (SAAW).

  8. The whole edifice of this cult i.e the Ahmadi’s is based on concoctions and lies. What else would you expect from these stooges of imperialism!

  9. i saw some vidoes on You Tube recently about Qadaiany/Mirazai interpretation about Jesus [a.s] Ascention to Heaven according them this is not physicaly possible coz this defies the Natural Law of Gravity but they also forget that in the Quran surah 19.56-57 Allah states that IDRIS [a.s] was raiesd up alive in a lofty station i.e [Heaven]

    so if IDRIS [a.s] was raised up alive in a lofty station then the questiuon arises why is the Ascention of Jesus [a.s] to Heaven is bound by the Law of Gravity this really shows how stupid and idiotic their theory sounds

    and the commentator by the way a Qadiany herself and i dont think she had any idea she was contradicting her Master Mirzas own theorys

    and now i want any Qadianies to prove that the Ascention of one prophet of Allah is possible but the other is bound by the Law of Gravity and prove me iam wrong here ?

    • Also according to mirza ghulam himself:

      “Ijamh of Almost ALL companions is on physical Miraj”

  10. and according to the Qadiany/Mirzaology there are no such thing as Miracle coz everything must Obey the Law of Gravity/Nature so God himself is bound to this Law too?

    but then again what about the so called Miracles that is spoken about in the Quran for example the raising of the Dead or the parting of the Red sea by Moses [a.s] can this all be explained by Rattional explaination too?

    what confuses me about the Qadiany doctrines is that they try to give a Rational explanations to miraculous event this proves what nonsensical Mirzas doctrines are they need to look into Quran in more spiritual way rather than a Athiestic way

  11. Actually Shahin, what is pathetic about Ahmadiyya is that they are quick to label miracles of Hazrat Isa (AS) as metaphors but MGA has written himself that the miracles of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) were literal (splitting of the moon, water multiplying from his blessed fingers, healing the wounded with his blessed saliva). So umm… what gives? Make your mind up! The whole cult is one big contradiction.

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