New Tadhkirah vs. the old–they play games with books

In the old version of Tadhkirah (2004 edition) there was an ilham on page 346:

God almighty has conveyed it to me that every person to whom my call is conveyed and who does not accept me is not a Muslim and is accountable to God for his defult (Letter addressed to Dr. Abdul Hakeem)(April 1906).

In the new version of the Tadhkirah this revelation does not exist!!! It seems that Masroor is at again, he has purposely re-published a new version of this book so that some controversial revelations might be suppressed.

On a side note, MGA had denied ever making this statement.

In Haqiqatul Wahy(1907) p. 178 he writes:

Dr. Abdul Hakim in his pamphlet MASIH AL-DAJJAL and other writings accuses me of having written that anyone who does not believe in me, even if he has not heard my name or is living in a country beyond the reach of my call, is an unbeliever and shall go to hell. This is a patent fabrication by the Doctor. I have never said so in any book or poster of mine. It is binding on him to produce such writings of mine in which I have said so!

MGA must have forgot what he wrote in that letter to Dr. Hakeem Khan, a year after writing the letter he totally denied it.

The first edition (of Tadhkirah) was compiled by a committee, headed by Mirza Bashir Ahmad, appointed by Khalifatul Masih II and was published in 1935 (see the preface of the current edition).

After the death of MGA his followers must have accidentally uncovered the truth. And now Masroor is trying to suppress this information.

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142 thoughts on “New Tadhkirah vs. the old–they play games with books

  1. I just read this;
    “Mirza Tahir ahmad was a loser. He went to england in the 1950’s and accomplished absolutley nothing. He hitch-hiked all around England and probably frequented a few brothels and bars. And he was the guy who was chosen as Khalifa?”

    That’s a BIG and very very offensive ‘probably’. As for the travelling; Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad (aba) wasn’t a Khalifa until 1981, and he liked travelling. He always encouraged us as muslims, to keep learning, and to see the world as well, to help us do this. As a muslim, it is good to see the world and keep learning no matter how old you are. So what is your point by saying he went travelling? Have you never travelled, or been on holiday?
    And for a start, you’re using the word probably, and insinuating that went to bars and brothels! So this is a blaitant insult! I say this again….why was this not barred? This shows ignorance and hatred on your part, AND on the part of the moderators of this site. Whereas you wont find one single real piece of evidence to show hatred from any real Ahmady!
    And dont try to use the excuse that MGA (as) used filthy language….i’ve answered that already. Explaining something natural as proof of Jesus’ (as) Prophethood (as apposed to being God -Nousobillah), is different to the disrespectful remarks and insults ive read from almost every member i’ve communicated with on here. Which I was patient with, up until i read “PROBABLY…..brothels…bars” What a joke!
    I’ve read enough and seen enough ignorance on the parts of people on this blog. I was beginning to talk on a decent level, and hearing you out, as well as requesting you to hear me out until now. But my last words here are:- watch the links i have given, and understand this…..
    You have no hard evidence (in its right context) to prove Ahmadies as wrong, or Kafirs, or that our leaders are what you make them out to be…it’s all ‘probablies’, and half-quotes removed from their contexts and meanings. Or quotes from other people, which dont add up (for example MGA (as) said others are kafirs, whereas what MGA (as) actually said was simply a quote of a Hadith).
    Also, forget who is right and who is wrong for a minute and understand this…for a fact….the whole reason you are putting this much effort into this blog, as passionately as you are, has no weight! The videos i have given links to, taken in the correct context and meaning, teach you and prove to you what it is we actually believe/preach/practice, and what the nature of our leaders is/was. The rest is between you and God.
    Khuda Hafiz.

    • Please don’t run away by saying:

      “And dont try to use the excuse that MGA (as) used filthy language….i’ve answered that already. Explaining something natural as proof of Jesus’ (as) Prophethood (as apposed to being God -Nousobillah), is different to the disrespectful remarks and insults ive read from almost every member i’ve communicated with on here. Which I was patient with, up until i read “PROBABLY…..brothels…bars” What a joke!”

      It is amazing that you got upset with borthels and bars and were not moved by filthy language used by Mirza. I repeat my comment for you to ponder:

      I would recommend you to write an article about the wedding night of Mirza with Nusrat Jahan and write all pronographic details – after all it is also written in Quran that husbands and wives get comfort from each other.

      Write that article with all details mentioning the genitals of both just to simply describe the manner how Mirza Mahmood was born. Just like you said – “MGA (as) has simply described the manor in which Jesus (as) was born”.

      That will help you clear the allegation what people say that Mirza called his son as Child of Allah.

  2. Dear Lordknows,

    Looks like you have a lot of reading to do about the real face of Ahmadiyyat.

    I am quite astonished as to how this jamaat has mislead a bunch of people (predominantly Punjabi background) by creating a major fitna against Islam and in turn caused you to be mentally confused and lost in faith and mindless robots who just keep arguing and telling more lies to defend those of MGA.

    Once again, I suggest that you take some time from your busy schedule and spend some time on reading about the teachings of Islam through the authentic scholars and sources.

    Please give a serious thought to my advice. Life is short and we live only once. Our hereafter depends on our life in this world and our faith.

    In discussions with lot of Ahmadis I have noticed on thing in common they have been brainwashed on a set of arguments and almost everyone repeats the same. Whereas, with no bias I notice quite clearly the arguments from muslims are quite original, authentic and to the point and portray a true analysis of Ahmadiyyat and its false teachings in the name of Islam.

    Like I said before to our Ahmadi brothers and sisters. If you care about your life in the hereafter and want to know where your jamaat has mislead you, you need to do an independant study dont just sit and watch your tv channels or listen to your murabbis and leaders who have been misguiding you for so long.

    • “jamaat is brain washed, they tell lies, etc”

      im sorry to say tm, but you keep referring to this without answering my questions of hard evidence. you have had no proper answer to my arguments yet.

      As far as life being short is concerned, I’ve chosen my faith….If I am wrong, then (again), as the fourth khalifa said…
      “If Jesus (as) returns, Khudaa ki kussum, me and my Jamaat will be the first to do ba’ait. we will ask forgiveness of our old ways/beliefs. And we will fight in front of Esa, behind, to his left, and to his right.”

      • @Lordknows,

        You see for certain things you don’t need to ask for hard proof. It is already there just look carefully. For example after every day there is night. Does one ask for a proof for that also. It is very evident brother, open your eyes and ears and you can see it. Also we have no reason to lie. I am telling you that we see it and hear it. You are not paying attention to what I am saying.

        As far as return of Jesus a.s. is concerned inshaAllah it will happen as stated in the authentic hadith. We appreciate your willingness to keep your options open that in case if it happens in your lifetime then you will follow.

        But our faith is not just dependant on the return of Isa a.s although it is one of the major signs of the day of judgement. A lot of things will happen before the day of judgement for example the rise of the sun from the West which NASA also appears to agree. But Islam is more than that. It is the only religion out there which is in its original form. A lot of other religions have been changed. Therefore, our request to you brothers and sisters is that we have no bias against you personally, but we want you to come back to Islam. The only way you can do this is by educating yourself and listening to those brothers who have already taken this step and reverted to Islam. It is not worth risking your hereafter which is eternal for the sake of worldly gains.

        • Night is something everyone can undoubtedly see. You cant put arguments against it. Its not something you can have an opinion on….its fact. Whereas we’re talkin of belief, where we still have responses and opinions. So its not comparable in this sense.
          Now with that in mind, my other point was, you have no evidence of alot of the claims you have made against ahmadies and our beliefs.

          I do understand you have reasons for saying what you say. Your beliefs, to you, are clear as day, and you want us to reject ahmadiyyat. and you have the best intentions. I hope i understand you correctly.
          But you dont understan my point. With my points made, with the reasons given, and the video’s linked here, my point is simply this. You at least have to admit there is enough reason there to open the possibility of the ahmadiyyat belief to be true.
          Which rules out the cult branding given on this site.
          Im not saying “we’re right, you’re wrong”….Im just saying our beliefs are not irrelevant, and you still have alot more understanding to do of Ahmady beliefs in their true context to comprehend this.

          For example, the way shahid presents quotes is completely out of context and makes us seem blasphemous. In fact his interpretations even suggest a lack of understanding of the english language (please read and understand my responses to him to understand why i say this).
          Although i do not say this as an insult, or out of hate….im simply pointing out that shahid’s arguments are so twisted, that he is simply prejudice against ahmadies, with no real reason/logic behind him. Whereas others here put forward real arguments, and communicate with decency and respect and use their common sense.
          None of shahid’s quotes mean what he interprets them to be.
          The only way i have ever seen to completely eradicate the possibility of ahmadi beliefs to be true, is to provide mis leading/misunderstood information as shahid does.

          Now…if you can really and truly aknowledge that much, you can now at least say that you have TRULY made your choice after debating it with an open heart and mind.
          May Allah enable us to do so, and show us the right path

          • We will not allow your comments through if you make accusations without proof. You made comments about my poor English and about my alleged out-of-context presentation of quotes.

            In the light of your haphazard sentence construction and seeming inability to follow through on a thought from beginning to end, the former is just plain risible. As for the latter, you need to rebut properly.

            Please, step up to the mark. Keep your comments short and to the point. Try to express a single idea clearly and back it up with evidence. Further, try sticking to the topic of each post. At the moment you’re just confusing and this doesn’t help you, never mind anyone else.

      • Why waste time? Do as more and more Former Ahmadis have done. Reject the man-made religion of Ahmadiyya and accept Islam now.

      • Jesus will return according to his own time when ALLAH will

        not to please your jammat, u and ur khalifah

  3. Ok, look. im not running away.
    Brothels and bars is a huge sin. and he’s just undoubtedly writing insults. It’s all probablies, which you have no reason for saying. So its an insult. plain and simple.
    And no one is insinuating that Ghulam Ahmad’s son is God (nousobillah), but yes, that’s how MGA’s (as) son was born…naturally…what’s your point?
    If someone were to insinuate that MGA’s (as) son was God (nousobillah), and then someone else came along and wrote that sex was involved, and it was a completely natural birth, then let them. If however they described it by using actual offensive words like f***ed, or something along those line, then i would consider it offensive. but MGA (as) has used plain english terminology.
    I apologise to those who have replied to me with decency and respect. I hope you know i did not aim my comments in my last post (which i still stand by) at everyone.
    But I see no point of communicating with certain people on here who claim to have read and researched so much, yet fail to understand what’s written (or quote it) in its proper context, as well as the reason behind the quotes you hace shown me so far.

  4. That was a wow:
    ” If however they described it by using actual offensive words like f***ed, or something along those line, then i would consider it offensive. ”

    Look at the language what Mirza used:

    “he was born through the filthy path which is a dirty passage of urine”

    The language of Mirza is not offensive – f***ed is offensive. O Allah – show the Ahmadis the truth and give them some shame.

    Do you know Mirza’s son came from the dirty path of urine of Mirza first – then he went into dirty path of urine of Nusrat Jahan – you can continue it…

    I am sorry – but I cannot stoop to such a low level – my prophet’s guidance stops from using such filth. You should do it because your false prophet used to do the same. By the way – it is written in Mirza’s books that he will have a son which will be just like child of Allah – بمنزلہ اطفال اللہ۔ . Read it first and then write pornographic account of Mirza’s sex and birth of Mirza Mahmood to answer the allegation.

  5. i explained n previous posts the reasons for what i say. I have simply responded to allegations. i have only replied to what i’ve read. so im not the only one who hasn’t stuck to one point, which i admit, has happened, by me AS WELL. I have asked you to read and understand all the different points i have made. But you simply say “you’re wrong, you’re filthy”
    And about being filthy….that’s your opinion. I have read the passage. And I will also say writing about the process of birth in detaiil, TO SHOW THOSE WHO THINK JESUS (as) WAS GOD, THAT HE WAS A PROPHET AND A HUMAN BEING, is different to speaking of pornographic accounts, as you say, for no reason.
    if you still have reason to carry on giving negative remarks, then go ahead. And I admit, I see where you’re coming from and how/why you’re taking these things in the wrong way. But if you read and understand things properly, you will understand we are not offending anyone, in the ways that you claim. That is why i made the remarks of “lack of understanding of english”…because you fail to understand what is being said, any why, let alone appreciate what’s written for its purpose, as well as for what it means and implies.
    eg. Shahid’s video on youtube (and please dont say im going off topic again, [Remainder deleted by admin, completely off-topic]

    • “And about being filthy….that’s your opinion. I have read the passage. And I will also say writing about the process of birth in detaiil, ”

      So you what is your opinion – is below filthy or sacred?

      “Mirza’s son came from the dirty path of urine of Mirza first – then he went into dirty path of urine of Nusrat Jahan – you can continue it…”

      • “Mirza’s son came from the dirty path of urine of Mirza first – then he went into dirty path of urine of Nusrat Jahan – you can continue it…”

        Fair enough, that is true, and using proper terminology, but the point is this…..it is purposeless.
        MGA’s (as) method of speaking is to impact the minds of those who believe Jesus (as) is The Lord. Brother, what will you achieve by starting to describe everthing and every birth in this manor?

        • MGA should have used better judgment. He exposed himself when he wrote things of questionable nature, thus exposing the oppurtunist in him.

        • For the pleasure of your filthy eyes I present a quote from Mirza’s books:

          ” یعنی بابو الہی بخش چاہتا ہے کہ تیرا حیض دیکھے یا کسی پلیدی اور ناپاکی پر اطلاع پایے مگر خدا تعالی تجھے اپنے انعامات دکھلا ے گا جو متواتر ہوں گے اور تجھ میں حیض نہیں بلکہ وہ بچہ ہو گیا ہے ایسا بچہ جو بمنزلہ اطفال اللہ ہے”۔

          ( تتمہ حقیقت الوحی ص 581، منررجہ روحانی خزاین جلد 22 ص 581از مرزا قادیانی)

          You see – his son is like child of Allah (nauzubillah). To disprove that I will use the filthy sentences mentioned earlier. As per your Mirzai logic now it is perfectly fine to use such a filth – congratualtions.
          ““Mirza’s son came from the dirty path of urine of Mirza first – then he went into dirty path of urine of Nusrat Jahan…”

          We call the blinds back to vision and back to Islam.
          I

  6. I thought that last one might be removed. Can yo email me it (i am creating an account, so my email address has been disclosed there, so that i can make a seperate thread on my points raised. Aplogies for going off topic though. Although that is what i was talking about…at least let my points said in defence of what has been said to me, remain on display.

    Anyway, back to the topic, still no time to look up the different copies, i will post back when i do. until then, i will be checking in on this site to hear out what is said/discussed, etc.

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