I was invited by Shaykh Suliman Gani to talk on the subject of Ahmadiyya at Hendon Mosque & Islamic Centre on Saturday evening. Alhamdulillah, it was a packed house. It always amazes me to see packed mosques full of observing Muslims of all backgrounds. Islam is a beautiful deen and it beats strong in the hearts of many.
Sadly, I have no audio recording of the talk, but it went very well alhamdulillah and the brothers who greeted me afterwards gave uniformly positive feedback. There was a good round of Q&A at the end.
My talk was the last one of the programme, following Shaykh Suliman Gani’s impassioned defence of the Finality of Prophethood. His talk in turn followed an inspiring talk by one of the local shaykhs on the status of the sahabas. I covered some of the Myths and Misconceptions that Ahmadis have about Islam, Muslims and themselves. The substance of this talk was covered in greater detail in a video that I made with the team that produced my interview on Iqra. It will be made available on the web soon insha’Allah.
Myth 1: Ahmadis are United, Muslims are disunited
I conducted a straw poll and asked the attendees who the Last Prophet was. The result was unanimous. I told the audience that the answer would be the same in just about any mosque in the world and that was our true unity – that and our shared `eeman. I explained that our theology is broadly similar. Credit must go to brother Farhan for inspiration.
I then referred to the Ahmadiyya, whose membership backbite amongst themselves and are not even united on whether their founder was a prophet or not.
Myth 2: Mullahs
Mullahs are bogeymen, used by the Mirzology clergy to frighten their children, the way Victorian parents used “Saladin” as a bogeyman to terrify their kids at bedtime. And in any case, Ahmadiyya clergy have spread hatred about Muslim `ulama since the time of the founder of Mirzology himself, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, which kind of makes them ideal arhcetypes for their “mullah” fantasy, inverting the “Love for All, Hatred for None” credo neatly.
I then asked if Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, Professor Tariq Ramadan or Shaykh Suliman Gani (who had already spoken at this gathering) were preachers of hate or mullahs? The audience was incredulous, of course not!
Myth 3: That Ahmadis are better educated and better thinkers than the low-life Muslims.
Prospect magazine, which ran a poll on the Top 100 public intellectuals in 2008, showed that the top 10 were… ALL MUSLIMS. That’s right. Not a single Mirzologist in the top 10. Not one in the top 100 either. That’s because there are currently no notable thinkers from the Cult of Mirzology.
Myth 4: That Ahmadis are growing in number all the time.
I pointed out that in 2002, Mirza Tahir claimed a membership of 200M. The audience laughed. In 2003, Nasim Rehmatullah claimed 50M. I wondered where the 150M had disappeared to.
For more, have a look here.
I plan on continuing, insha’Allah to give as many talks as my schedule permits. Having previously talked at Morden Islamic Centre, Kingston and Tooting Islamic Centre, this was my first talk on Mirzology in North London.
May Allah (SWT) guide the Ahmadis to Islam.
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Shaid u always make me laugh so much , unity of the mulsims was decided by asking about the last Prophet. waoo
can i ask one little question regarding the unity of the Muslims
1) is the suicide attack legal or illegal , according to the cult members
wanna see the unity between you guys and those who conduct the suicide attack .
For the increase of your knowledge here is the interview of a suicide bomber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq88egK755k
with translation
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=102985783050001
Note:
this 5 % difference, as propagated By farhan ,is causing the loss of hundred thousand lives in Iraq , pakistan and afghanistan .
are u guys a united Ummat ???????
the bomber is a MUSLIM and you are also a MUSLIM , waiting anxiously to learn the unity .
the bomber wanna forcefully establish the SHIRIAT , do u guys also wanna do it , using the bombs, killing innocent lives , etc etc
…..lets see is there no difference or there is just laughing 5% difference ….
I will ignore your usual hatred for Muslims, your position being more extreme in fact than that of the most Islamophobic of the Western press, but I will say this: Ahmadis are not even united on the prophet-hood of Mirza, or the legitimacy of khilafa. What is left?
Is this guy for real? Suicide legal or illegal? How many suicide bombers are there in the world…1,2,3..and you talk like they are another sect altogether with a following of millions.
This is child’s play…pathetic.
@khalid nawaz
your banal questions are what they are. it matters not that you hate and mock muslims for this is what your forefathers, the despicable disciples of mirza al-mulhid al-kazzab, did to muslims of their time. you are no different from them. so keep up your gutter work and watch the ummah grow from strength to strength.
I have no idea why you told your story in second-person while titled it in third-person.
Here is my take…..
That Muslims are disunited: I think geographically, Iran v. Iraq, Egypt v. Palestine, Jordan v. Syria; and the killing of the shieas by the sunnies and vice versa, and every sect calling the others as kafir and wajib-ul-qatal would easily qualify for the ‘disunity’. I never knew that ‘finishing off the prophethood’ was ever a rule to measure unity.
That Mullahs are bogeymen: I think Bin-Landin would qualify for a bogeyman and few others… Do i name them?
That Ahmadis are better educated: You can compare Ahmadis’ near 100% literacy rate with your madrasa educated dead ’shaheeds’ whose only diploma is a certificate of shahadat (martyrdom) issued by the taliban.
Oh, and about the Prospect magazine poll:
“As happens with many free Internet polls, this one may have been affected by organized voting campaigns and biases introduced by the nationality and language of the organizer. Almost all of the African votes were cast in Nigeria and France is underrepresented.[Wikipedia]“. Remember Nigeria!, the fraud capital fo the world….
That Ahmadis are growing in number: Show me a single place where Ahmadis have not grown in numbers, including Pakistan and the Middle-east. Therefore, whether it is 220M, 200M, 50M or ‘tens of millions’, it can mean only and only one thing… Just too many Ahmadis. Actually, far too many for your comfort, my dear Shahid Kamal.
nighty night…..
Love4All
Thanks for your comments. I will update my post to address some of your points. As for your first point, actually, I used first-person for the blog entry, not “second-person”.
Read my previous post. Its available here:
http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya
May Allah bless you and your family
I figured out as to why the ahmadi population dropped so much with the death of Mirza Tahir Ahmad.
When a new khalifa takes over, all ahmadis have to re-new their bait, not all of the ahmadis did that!
I remember back in 2003, I had no idea about this concept of re-newing my baith. In 2004, I asked an Imam in detroit a question about the prophethood of MGA, he got so upset that he told me that I wasnt even an ahmadi, I was confused!!!
He told me that I hadn’t re-newed by bait…. I only asked him in what year did MGA claim prophethood…
The figures were all bogus in the first place. The Ahmadiyya has always lied about its numbers, since the very beginning,
Looking forward for that video brother Shahid
salam to all my muslim brothers and sisters out there i have left so many message on the qadiany sites but these cowards never approve of them and they delete them i wonder why what have they gotta hide
Mirza gulam Qadiany himself wrote in one of his books circa 1891 ‘if any man claims a prophethood after RasuAllah he is a Liar Dajjal and a Kafir” but but the lunatic contradicts his own statements and does a uturn in 1901 and claims full prophethood now i posed this question to a qadiany and he quoated surah 4.69 claiming that a subordinate prohpet was prohpcied after rasuAllah but i said there is no mention of a prophet here and what about Mirzas claim of 1891 he had no answer for it this is the typical behavoir of Mirzas cult but now they are on the decrease
For the sake of argument, let’s agreed that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not the true Imam Mahdi/Imam Of The Age whose advent was fortold by The Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. if that’s the case,
the true Mahdi/Imam Of The Age is yet to come to resume true leadership in Islam, believing that the true Imam is yet
to come to resume leadership, therefore, do we not ought to reject the current leadership of the present Mullah,clerics,scholars etc. are they not to be classfied as fake and imposter as well? If we strongly believe in the saying of The Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. that true Imam is expected to come as the saviour for the muslim ummah, at the same time, shall we take the present mullah,clerics,scholars etc. as our true saviour as well? if that’s the case, why is the need for us to believe in the coming of the True Imam? shall we take the saying
of our beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. (Allah forbids) as something untrue?
Ahmadiyya theology itself teaches that bukhari is not 100% authentic. Ahmadiyya theology doubts mutawatir hadith.
Ahmadiyya theology uses a “pick and choose” theory when it comes to defining Islam.
The coming of the Mahdi is not mentioned in the Quran. Ahmadiyya theology states (reference needed) that is something exists in hadith in needs to be verified in the Quran. By the rules of ahmadiyya theology all of the hadith in terms of the mahdi ought to be rejected.
Allam Iqbal once wrote:
“I consider all the Hadith reports relating to the Mahdi and the concepts of Messiah-ship and Mujaddids to be the result of Persian and other non-Arab philosophies. They have nothing to do with Arab thought or the true spirit of the Quran.”
Iqbal Nama, Part II, Makatib Iqbal, (Muhammad Ashraf, Lahore, 1951), pp. 230–232, Letter no. 87.
Iqbal was so wrong.. Israelites had these concepts in their theology for thousands of years. Persian and Sabian myths??
You will have to include many other cultures in this list. As far as I know every major faith in the world has these myths.
Iqbal wanted to wriggle out of his past by such ridiculous theories. He had strong links with Ahrar, where people dismissing Mahdi would have been declared kafirs straight away.
Iqbal is also a favourite of Parvezi movement. GA Parvez claiming to be a favourite student of his. Maudoodi loved him too. And Iqbal admired the Bahai lady Qurat-Ain Tahira, whom he called among the ladies of paradise.
Syed Sulayman ibn Adnan
brother i take it that u are a Qadiany from your good comment well this the typical arguments u make at the same time u ignore the Hadiths of the prophet [SAW] where he said the Imam Mahdi will be from my desendants from the house of Fatima [R.A]
1. was Mirza desendant from the house of Fatima?
2. was his fathers name Abdulla and mothers name Amina?
3. did he descend on the white minaret of Damascus?
4. did he brake the Cross and kill the pigs?
5. did he abolish the Jizya?
6. did the Anti christ Dajjal appear before him?
7. did he kill the Dajjal at the gate of Luddya?
8. did the the tribes of GOG and MAGOG brake out from thier wall?
9. did they cause corruption on earth?
10. was he victorious over them?
Deat brother Shahin,
I am posing simple straight forward questions, likewise, pls give me simple straight forward answers.
What is prophethood? is it not a kind spiritual blessing? or is it a kind of spiritual cursing? certainly, the answer is, it is a kind of
spiritual blessing as testified in The Quraan chp 4 verse 69, if that is the case, why do we have to believe the purpose of the advent of The Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. is to close spiritual blessing doors? in particular the highest one? no prophets of Allah does that,not even those prophets belong to the Israilite community, why all of the sudden we muslim implied that to our Beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. whom we believe belong to all mankind, not just for the Arab community, is not this a kind
of (may Allah forbids) an insult that we hurl towrard our Beloved
Master The Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.?
I know there are those people who like to say “ah! this is a kind of
typical qadianis argument in defence of the Mirza prophethood”
forgetting that the crux of the matter here is not Mirza prophethood, rather it is the prophethood of Imam Mahdi, the right to claim to the office of Mahdihood does not exclusively belong to Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, anybody among the followers of The Holy Prophet s.a.w. has the right to claim, if it is proven that his claim is true then he is to be the real Imam Mahdi
whom is to be blessed with spiritual blessing of prophethood to indicte his highest spirituality station, we muslim are duty bound to accept him regardless whether he is Mirza or not.
We are now at critical juntion, where the mullah,clerics,scholars etc, start to roar like the wild tigers, “you believe in the prophethood after the Holy Prophet s.a.w. meaning to say that, you believe in the new prophet” how could that be? I asked, how could Imam Mahdi be a new prophet? when he is required to obey and observed the shariaat of Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.? his PROPHETHOOD IS SUBJECTED TO THE PROPHETHOOD
OF MUHAMMAD RASULULLAH s.a.w. does that meant he has thus
nullified or abrogated the highest status of MUHAMMAD RASULULLAH s.a.w. as THE KHATTAMUL ANBIYYA? or he is just nothing compare to RASUL KARIM MUHAMMAD s.a.w.
I
I cannot imagine an angel appeared before The Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. and revealed to Him(SAW) that Isa a.s.(Jesus)
the prophet belong to The Israelite community who is much lower in status compare to Him(SAW) is still alive bodily in heaven and one day would returned to the earth as the saviour for His(SAW) ummah. Knowing that He(SAW) is the most beloved of Allah among all others prophets because of His(SAW) highest status yet and yet He(SAW) has to die and be buried as normal humanbeing, while Isa a.s. who is much lower in status compare to Him(SAW) is so special still alive in the heaven.
This is utter nonsense that could be tantamount to an insult to the dignity of our beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.
Should there be any humanbeing among the servents of Allah that is entitled to be lifted and alive bodily in the heaven for the
purpose to return to the earth as the saviour not just for the
muslim ummah but for the whole mankind, that person should be
non other than The Holy Prophet Muhammad s.aw. himself.
was rasul ullahi sal allahu alayhi wa sallem al-maseeh like esa alayhi salaam? was he born of a virgin? did allah azza wa jal create him like he created adam alayhi salaam? did he give him power over the jinn like he did sulayman alayhi salaam? no, and does acknowledging that belittle muhammad sal allahu alayhi wa alihi wa sallem?