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		<title>By: shahin</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-16553</link>
		<dc:creator>shahin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like to see more of this kind of people they are really inspiring
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like to see more of this kind of people they are really inspiring<br />
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		<title>By: Asad</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-16069</link>
		<dc:creator>Asad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 07:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Farhan, 

Your logic about theological unity  is deeply flawed. And  in order to support  this flawed logic you are trying to trivialize the  role of political unity.  There was no major theological difference between Ali ibn Talib  and Maawiya ibn Sufiyan    or between Ali ibn Talib and Ayesha, however the number of Muslims killed in these two wars were more than the combined total of Lahore group ,Jama’at Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen and other straw men that you are beating up in your article. 

In a way you are accepting that this theological unity ( as defined by you ) is completely useless in providing Muslims  with any reasonable framework to  come up with some agreed upon solutions for managing their collective lives in this world.  

Its almost funny to think of the scenario: &quot; Well  ... you know .... we  Muslims are theologically united  .. but we just killed  these 70,000  Muslims  ... because they did not agree with us politically .. But you know  ..Allah is all knowing ..... he would understand the difference between theology and politics &quot;  

Anyway, brother Farhan, there is nothing wrong with Islam. The theological unity as you are trying to define  just does not mean anything.  Every religion has certain principles that majority of the followers of that religion agree upon.  It does not imply anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Farhan, </p>
<p>Your logic about theological unity  is deeply flawed. And  in order to support  this flawed logic you are trying to trivialize the  role of political unity.  There was no major theological difference between Ali ibn Talib  and Maawiya ibn Sufiyan    or between Ali ibn Talib and Ayesha, however the number of Muslims killed in these two wars were more than the combined total of Lahore group ,Jama’at Ahmadiyya Al Mouslemeen and other straw men that you are beating up in your article. </p>
<p>In a way you are accepting that this theological unity ( as defined by you ) is completely useless in providing Muslims  with any reasonable framework to  come up with some agreed upon solutions for managing their collective lives in this world.  </p>
<p>Its almost funny to think of the scenario: &#8221; Well  &#8230; you know &#8230;. we  Muslims are theologically united  .. but we just killed  these 70,000  Muslims  &#8230; because they did not agree with us politically .. But you know  ..Allah is all knowing &#8230;.. he would understand the difference between theology and politics &#8221;  </p>
<p>Anyway, brother Farhan, there is nothing wrong with Islam. The theological unity as you are trying to define  just does not mean anything.  Every religion has certain principles that majority of the followers of that religion agree upon.  It does not imply anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-15733</link>
		<dc:creator>Farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it true that Mirza Ghulam criticized &#039;Esa bin Maryam (AS)? When asked about this, Ahmadis say he&#039;s criticizing the &#039;Esa of the Christians, not the &#039;Esa of the Qur&#039;an. I&#039;ll borrow that response. Right now, I&#039;m criticizing the Mirza Ghulam of the Ahmadiyya-Qadiani-British sect (as opposed to the sects based on the UK)

Please do not refer to &#039;Esa bin Maryam (AS) as merely &quot;Jesus&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it true that Mirza Ghulam criticized &#8216;Esa bin Maryam (AS)? When asked about this, Ahmadis say he&#8217;s criticizing the &#8216;Esa of the Christians, not the &#8216;Esa of the Qur&#8217;an. I&#8217;ll borrow that response. Right now, I&#8217;m criticizing the Mirza Ghulam of the Ahmadiyya-Qadiani-British sect (as opposed to the sects based on the UK)</p>
<p>Please do not refer to &#8216;Esa bin Maryam (AS) as merely &#8220;Jesus&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-15732</link>
		<dc:creator>Farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as-salaam &#039;alaykum,

Thanks for your constructively critical comments. I can respect them.

I implicitly defined two types of unity: Theological and Political/Organizational. The Muslims masses are theologically united, more so than disunited. As I said, the issues of disagreement are relatively small.

Politically/Organizationally, the Muslims have not been under one leadership since...Mu&#039;awiya ibn Abu Sufiyan(RA)?

Compare this to the Ahmadis; There are numerous break-away sects and groups and they cannot even agree if their founder was a Prophet or what even the basics of his teachings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as-salaam &#8216;alaykum,</p>
<p>Thanks for your constructively critical comments. I can respect them.</p>
<p>I implicitly defined two types of unity: Theological and Political/Organizational. The Muslims masses are theologically united, more so than disunited. As I said, the issues of disagreement are relatively small.</p>
<p>Politically/Organizationally, the Muslims have not been under one leadership since&#8230;Mu&#8217;awiya ibn Abu Sufiyan(RA)?</p>
<p>Compare this to the Ahmadis; There are numerous break-away sects and groups and they cannot even agree if their founder was a Prophet or what even the basics of his teachings.</p>
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		<title>By: Asad</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-15555</link>
		<dc:creator>Asad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Farhan, 

This article is a real disappointment.  You are unable to define for yourself  the meaning of  &quot;unity&quot; or the  context in which you want to use it.  You are confusing the notion of unity with  the agreement among the majority of the followers of a given religion on a set of shared beliefs. This is not just specific to Islam.  And it is not necessarily a good or bad thing.  More than one billion Roman Catholics  share quite a bit of theological homogeneity.   On the other end of the spectrum more than one billion Hindus exhibit quite a bit of theological diversity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Farhan, </p>
<p>This article is a real disappointment.  You are unable to define for yourself  the meaning of  &#8220;unity&#8221; or the  context in which you want to use it.  You are confusing the notion of unity with  the agreement among the majority of the followers of a given religion on a set of shared beliefs. This is not just specific to Islam.  And it is not necessarily a good or bad thing.  More than one billion Roman Catholics  share quite a bit of theological homogeneity.   On the other end of the spectrum more than one billion Hindus exhibit quite a bit of theological diversity.</p>
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		<title>By: Straight Talker</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-15399</link>
		<dc:creator>Straight Talker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Farhan:
&quot;I take it you’re a Lahori. Frankly, I do not concern myself with Lahorism.&quot;

Then, you should accuse Qadiani Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad, and NOT his father Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib.
Just the way you will accuse Paul and NOT Jesus for stupid claims associated with Jesus.
Farhan, where is your sense of justice???
Animosity towards your enemy should NOT let you lose your sense of justice.
Farhan, like every human, you will die one day. And will be answering to Allah SWT for what you write on this blog. Don&#039;t forget that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Farhan:<br />
&#8220;I take it you’re a Lahori. Frankly, I do not concern myself with Lahorism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then, you should accuse Qadiani Khalifa 2 Mirza Mahmud Ahmad, and NOT his father Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib.<br />
Just the way you will accuse Paul and NOT Jesus for stupid claims associated with Jesus.<br />
Farhan, where is your sense of justice???<br />
Animosity towards your enemy should NOT let you lose your sense of justice.<br />
Farhan, like every human, you will die one day. And will be answering to Allah SWT for what you write on this blog. Don&#8217;t forget that.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-15388</link>
		<dc:creator>Farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it you&#039;re a Lahori. Frankly, I do not concern myself with Lahorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it you&#8217;re a Lahori. Frankly, I do not concern myself with Lahorism.</p>
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		<title>By: thetruth</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-15387</link>
		<dc:creator>thetruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not here in English test, but if you don’t understand any thing i can define you..
as a true Muslim, it is not essential to learn English.
Even in the life of our beloved Holy Prophet (saw), when some Arab recited Holy Qur’an in their mother tongue (in different accent ), Holy Prophet (saw) allow them, 
Correction of my English is not important but correction of you faith (according to Sunnah) is very important</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not here in English test, but if you don’t understand any thing i can define you..<br />
as a true Muslim, it is not essential to learn English.<br />
Even in the life of our beloved Holy Prophet (saw), when some Arab recited Holy Qur’an in their mother tongue (in different accent ), Holy Prophet (saw) allow them,<br />
Correction of my English is not important but correction of you faith (according to Sunnah) is very important</p>
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		<title>By: Rationalist</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-15378</link>
		<dc:creator>Rationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the heck are you talking about?

You should buy Rosetta Stone and learn english!!

WE CAN WHAT WE WILL DO---CIRCA 1883</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the heck are you talking about?</p>
<p>You should buy Rosetta Stone and learn english!!</p>
<p>WE CAN WHAT WE WILL DO&#8212;CIRCA 1883</p>
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		<title>By: thetruth</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2010/01/26/unity-in-islam-vs-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-15298</link>
		<dc:creator>thetruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rationalist
dear can you refer me a definition khalifa through the Holy Qur&#039;an or Hadith, if can&#039;t, then don&#039;t try to create what Almighty Allah and his messenger did not created, so they new khilafat could be in many forms,
millions of people (human beings with sense and educated) took ba’at of one man as a khalifa, 
If this is possible plz try to do this,
 if you are thinking a khalifa could be political then bush had control on world big land can you accept him khalifa,
Khalifa need a jama’at of righteous only, and most of the khalifa never have any land under there control in the past,  
Bcoz you are a materialistic, your khalifa should be a political, but a righteous don’t need any materialistic things,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rationalist<br />
dear can you refer me a definition khalifa through the Holy Qur&#8217;an or Hadith, if can&#8217;t, then don&#8217;t try to create what Almighty Allah and his messenger did not created, so they new khilafat could be in many forms,<br />
millions of people (human beings with sense and educated) took ba’at of one man as a khalifa,<br />
If this is possible plz try to do this,<br />
 if you are thinking a khalifa could be political then bush had control on world big land can you accept him khalifa,<br />
Khalifa need a jama’at of righteous only, and most of the khalifa never have any land under there control in the past,<br />
Bcoz you are a materialistic, your khalifa should be a political, but a righteous don’t need any materialistic things,</p>
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