Is Mirza Masroor Ahmad a Khalifah? This is a short piece on the sacrifice of the Grandson of the Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم, Imam al-Husayn ibn Ali عليه السلام, and its relation to the institution of Khilafah.
The short of it is that Khilafah has a strong political element, which Mirza Masroor Ahmad simply does not have. While he may call himself a Khalifah, by the definition of Khilafah that Imam al-Husayn عليه السلام fought for, he is not a Khalifah.
Ahmadies are being minipulated by mirza ghulam and his fanmily, they are living a lavished life. Go and see their life style in london, canada, germany and in maryland usa. They are minting money and sucking stupid ahmadis” hard earn money. Deep down inside these ahmadis are ashamed of their religion, unlike muslims the always hide their relegion from others because of the uncertinity and lake of confidence in their own religion. God help them and show them the right path. AMIN
God helps us all and show us ALL the right path. I’ve been trying to find a leadership that isn’t corrupt and trying to extort the masses and have yet to find an honest leader in this world.
Belonging to a sect is no longer acceptable so I suggest EVERYONE follow the Quran and forget the rest.
If you would like to see a leader who is not corrupt then stop listening to these people and actually go to england and meet the khalifa, i am sure you will find the leader who is running on the footsteps of prophet Muhammad pbuh. Just observe everything from a clear mind looking into the teachings of Holy Quran and Hadiths only when you will be judging any ahmadis and inshallah you will find the true islam.
Usman,
You have to KNOW the footsteps of the Prophet PBUH to follow that way, something which the Qadiani’s lack in a big way.
Have you ever met him?
I met the previous one on many occasions and can honestly say that it would be a lie to say he was following in the footsteps of our beautiful Prophet PBUH.
This one seems to be even more lacking than the previous although Allah knows best.
Come to the truth it will not harm you my friend.
We do not have to believe as our parents and grandparents etc believed.
Act now before it is too late and we end up in our graves, then we will be able to do nothing to correct our misguided ways.
@Usman and Exahmadi: I met the Fourth Khalifa and it was an honor to meet such a learned man.
You consider a man who believed in a false Prophet after the Prophet Muhammad PBUH to be a learned man.
Please explain how this is so.
To “forget the rest” is to forget the Qur’an, because the Qur’an explicitly calls towards the Sunnah.
Well said Pristine, although as Farhan points out your comment leaves room for the assumption that it’s ok to negate the Sunnah and just follow the Quran.
Is this what you were alluding to or am I being overly suspicious?
Forgive me if I am. Please clarify
Tell me what are your views about the Qadiani beliefs.
Islam was never “Qur’an-only”, Islam was an entire way of life and an entire system. That included the Qur’an, Prophetic traditions, Ahl al-Bayt, Righteous Khulafa’, and knowledge of the Sahaba. One does not separate the Qur’an from the Sunnah, as if they are not the same. For example, its like drinking coffee. Its not just coffee beans, its water, sugar, cream, etc. You mix them all together. That’s the way Islam is. Its not “Qur’an-only”. I would go so far as to argue that “Qur’an-only” is NOT the Qur’an.
I do not mean to be rude, but everyone I’ve met who seeks to discredit the Hadith has been very ignorant of it…
I totally agree with Farhan. The sunnah is very very important.
Muhammad (saw) told the muslims to pray towards Jerusalem, the muslims followed the orders of Muhammad (saw)unquestionably!!!
Later, allah cancelled that order and ordered muslims to pray towards mecca.
Tafsir Jalalayn 3:132
And obey God and the Messenger, so that you may find mercy.
To say that the Quran and the sunnah are two seperate entities is a travesty to Islam. Sometime Muhammad (saw) would give temporary orders.
I’ll clarify.
The unbroken traditions and way of life of the Holy Prophet is OBVIOUSLY part of Islam and I’m often surprised at the ignorance displayed when you tell people to refer to the Quran “only” since it obviously includes the above.
Hadeeth, however, are allegedly compiled sayings of the Holy Prophet and many of these are invalid therefore Hadeeth as a whole DO NOT benefit from the protection offered to the Quran.
As to my views about the Qadianis: The entire sect is based upon Hadeeth therefore I classify them as I do Shia’s, Sunnis etc.
In my view ALL sects are corruptions of Islam since there were NONE during the life of the Holy Prophet. If you can understand that then you are truly on the right path.
Salam Alikum everyone
@Pristine
Sunnism is the real and orthodox Islam…Shiism is a sect of Islam…Mirzaism has nothing to do with Islam, it is a different religion and we should not call or classify it as another sect of Islam.
In YOUR opinion.
Why would someone follow something that they didn’t believe was true?
Pristine, I have noticed you have commented on various posts on this blog and your writing style suggests you have quite an intelligent mind.
However I find that a lot of the points you make are erroneous and leave room for a lot of conjecture.
You state ‘I follow the Quran and the example of the Holy Prophet’
I’m confused at how you can do this without accepting hadith.
You also state ‘This website is a prime example of twisted people using twisted logic and attacking others beliefs rather than providing a clear example of what a Muslim SHOULD BE.’
Lets you and I have a discussion on what a Muslim should be.
I think it’s unfair you label people twisted when they present to you texts from the Qadiani’s and use it as an evidence against themselves. Feel free to go and verify any of the references that are provided or referred to, don’t just take our word for it.
You also say ‘As to my views about the Qadianis: The entire sect is based upon Hadeeth therefore I classify them as I do Shia’s, Sunnis etc.’
Where do you get this deluded and absurd notion that the Qadiani cult is based upon hadeeth. Please provide me some evidence for this statement.
Are you even familiar with the great science of hadeeth? Or are you another one of those who takes one look at Pakistani Mullah’s and thinks I’m ok where I am rather than being like them.
Please let me know where you stand so that we may progress this discussion if you so wish. As it stands the statements you are making can be classed as nothing more than sound bites.
Let me ask you do you consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be a liar and agree that his claims of prophecy were way of the mark?
@Ex Ahmadi: Thank you for the compliment. My apologies if my statement are broad and sweeping but as someone who has spent many many years researching and discussing Islam with many people of many beliefs I assumed that the people present on this site would not need each and every point clarified for them.
Since I have deliberated and continue to deliberate on the truth, I will not enter into a lengthy discussion with a fellow truth seeker which will turn out to be fruitless.
In particular I will not do this on a site such as this whose very purpose is to belittle others and confuse people with twisted logic based on paradigms gathered over many lifetimes.
I have read some of your comments and viewpoints and I hope that you put aside your agenda in exchange for bettering yourself as a Muslim from whom all others who call themselves Muslim are safe.
As an ex Ahmadi, you should know that the Qadianis use a particular Hadith as the basis for the claim to prophethood by HMGA. If you follow the logic, it is clear.
My viewpoint is also clear. Hadeeth DO NOT benefit from the protection offered to the Quran by Allah the Almighty.
If one Hadeeth can be wrong, then so can alllll the others. Logic is undeniable and only those whose faith does not survive logic claim logic to be flawed.
SubhanAllah Pristine,
It’s clear that you do not wish to enter into any sort of substantial discussion.
I do not wish to belittle you however I almost certainly do want to show you where you may be wrong and where you may have problems with the methodology you are following.
I do this purely for the sake of Allah and with the intention of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil.
Your statement ‘If one Hadeeth can be wrong, then so can alllll the others.’ is one that shows that your many years researching and discussing Islam with many people has proved very fruitless may Allah guide you to truth.
That may be because the people you spent these years discussing with were lacking or because you already have a a belief you do not really wish to change or really question.
@exAhmadi: you don’t offer any counter argument or logic though. Are you one of those who have been brainwashed to unquestioningly do as your scholars decide without researching for yourself?
Let’s see.
Can you tell me what is the prescribed punishment for the consumption of Alcohol and for Fornication?
The scholar I follow is the Prophet PBUH and I will blindly follow whatever is authentically proven from him.
I do not believe in charlatans who claimed prophecy after him as you clearly do.
This is not a competition and there is only one right. You clearly are not upon that right. If that sits easy with you so be it.
Alhamdulilah Allah has saved me from this disgrace.
With regard to your questions I do not see how they are relevant to this discussion.
You may believe in a Prophet after the final Prophet PBUH yet you want to know the answers to questions such as these. This is clear folly my friend. If you can not understand the shahada then everything else is futile.
Anyway I will answer the question on alcohol on this occasion inshallah.
If you want ruling on the fornication issue then please provide me your email address and I will send it to you as I do not feel comfortable posting a reply that goes into great detail on this issue in a public domain as this one.
May Allah rescue from the cult you think is the fastest growing brand around.
Delusion of the highest order, but then what more can you expect from followers of a deluded false lying man who claimed Prophethood.
Anyway your reply to the alcohol question –
Praise be to Allaah.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), and gambling, and Al-Ansaab, and Al-Azlaam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaytaan’s (Satan’s) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful”
[al-Maa’idah 5:90]
In Saheeh al-Bukhaari (2295) and Saheeh Muslim (86) it is narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one who commits zina is a believer at the moment when he is committing zina, and no one who drinks wine is a believer at the moment when he is drinking it, and no thief is a believer at the moment when he is stealing, and no robber is a believer at the moment when he is robbing and the people are looking on.” This means that such a person is not a believer in the sense of having complete faith, rather his faith is greatly lacking because of this evil action.
It is also narrated in al-Bukhaari (5147) and Muslim (3736) from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever drinks wine in this world and does not repent from that, he will be deprived of it in the Hereafter.”
In Sunan Abi Dawood (3189) it is narrated that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has cursed alcohol, the one who drinks it, the one who pours it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who squeezes it (squeezes the grapes, etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who carries it and the one to whom it is carried.” (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 2/700)
In Sunan al-Nasaa’i (5570) it is narrated that Ibn al-Daylami said to ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr, “O ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr, did you hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say anything about wine?” He said, “Yes, I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘If any man from among my ummah drinks wine, Allaah will not accept his prayers for forty days.’” This was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilat al-Saheehah (709). What this means is that he will not be rewarded for them, but he is still obliged to pray; in fact he is obliged to do all the prayers. If he forsakes prayer during this time, he will be committing one of the worst of major sins, one which some of the scholars said amounts to kufr, Allaah forbid.
There are very many ahaadeeth and reports which state that alcohol is emphatically forbidden and that it is the mother of all evils; whoever falls into this sin, it will lead him into other evil actions. We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound.
With regard to the punishment of the drinker in this world, the punishment is flogging, according to the consensus of the fuqaha’, because of the report narrated by Muslim (3281) from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) flogged the one who had drunk wine with palm branches stripped of their leaves and with shoes.
But there is some difference of opinion as to the number of lashes. The majority of scholars are of the view that it is eighty lashes for a free man and forty for others.
They quoted as evidence the hadeeth of Anas quoted above, in which it says that a man who had drunk wine was brought to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he had him flogged forty times with two palm branches that had been stripped of their leaves. Abu Bakr also did likewise (during his caliphate). When ‘Umar was the caliph, he consulted the people and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan said, “The minimum punishment is eighty,” so that is what ‘Umar commanded.
The Sahaabah agreed with ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) and did not differ. The Council of Senior Scholars is agreed that the punishment for one who drinks wine is the hadd punishment, which is eighty lashes.
Some of the scholars – such as Ibn Quddamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) and Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] in al-Ikhtiyaaraat – think that giving more than forty lashes is left to the discretion of the Muslim leader. So if he thinks that there is a need to give more than forty lashes, as happened at the time of ‘Umar, then he may make it eighty. And Allaah knows best.”
(See Tawdeeh al-Ahkaam, 5/330)
Two points exahmadi:
1. Please do not make accusations about me belonging to any groups. I have clearly told you that I follow the Quran and the EXAMPLE of the Holy Prophet only. So please keep your opinions regarding MY faith to yourself.
2. There is no punishment prescribed in the Quran for Alcohol. Neither did the Prophet prescribe any punishment when his command was enough for his followers. It was Hazrat Omar (ra) who prescribed flogging for his son when he was found to be drunk. He was neither a prophet nor allowed to add to the word of Allah and he did what he did out of his own decisions. Those learned scholars who you have quoted are MISTAKEN and have decided to ADD to the word Allah and to tell the Ummah that each of these additions is now a PART OF ISLAM. They are in MANIFEST ERROR and are misleading the ummah with their noble intentions.
I pray that you and all Muslims discover that Islam in it’s purity is the truth and requires no-one after the Holy Prophet to add to it.
Apologies for making assumptions.
Please clear up my confusion once and for all.
Do you know of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Do you consider him a Scholar, Prophet, Messsiah or other than that ?
Do you deny the science of hadeeth completely or accept only some hadeeth?
How do you follow the example of the Prophet ? Is the Quran your only reference point.
What are you trying to say all those who state that the above is the punishment for consumption of alcohol are wrong and your opinion is right?
Please just clarify your position and then we can continue as I do not want to assume anything incorrectly again.
@ExAhmadi
I don’t believe you are in any confusion since my writing is plain and clear. I will refer to your second last comment.
You cannot “blindly follow” if you want authenticity proven. This is a contradiction in terms.
I do not believe in ANY charlatans and furthermore when Allah has stated “Today I have perfected your religion for you”, there is NO ROOM FOR ANY ADDITION by ANYONE, charlatan or not.
Right and Wrong are defined by intentions, not actions and deeds.
We will know when Allah has saved you or I when the time comes so please don’t cross that bridge just yet.
I require no “ruling” from ANY man when the answers are clearly laid out in the Quran. The rulings that you are referring to are things that have been ADDED. Do you not find it strange that you quote one verse from the Quran and then MANY scholars who wax lyrical on history and yet fail to recognise that they are ADDING to something that is PERFECT !
I don’t enter into futile argumentation. I only express my views. It’s not for me to convince you but it is for me to clearly express my dissatisfaction over how Islam has been corrupted…with the best of intentions no doubt.
Please tell me what in Allah’s name you are rambling on about.
Is confusion something you enjoy? My questions were simple yet
your replies have managed to evade most if not all of the questions.
You state ‘I require no “ruling” from ANY man when the answers are clearly laid out in the Quran.’
Please tell me where in the Quran it tells us how to pray.
Please answer the question in simple terms minus the confusing pseudo intellectual dribble.
Sorry if that sounds harsh but your evasiveness is annoying and telling.
EX_AHMADIS???? What are you talking about… you are not even a Muslim! We have a name for people like you… KAFIR!!!
well done Mohsin , thats more qadiani * Love For All and Hatred for None *