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	<title>Comments on: Masih Ad-Dajjal &#8211; The Anti-Christ</title>
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		<title>By: Rationalist</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-16459</link>
		<dc:creator>Rationalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OWNED!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Tahir Hussain</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-16451</link>
		<dc:creator>Tahir Hussain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ What are you talking about? The hadith says:

Sahih Muslim
Book 041, Number 7015:
Narrated An-Nawwas b. Sam’an: That Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) made a mention of the Dajjal one day in the morning… He (Dajjal) would be a young man with twisted, contracted hair, and a blind eye. I compare him to ‘Abd-ul-’Uzza b. Qatan. He who amongst you would survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Sura Kahf (xviii.). He would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left… and it would at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it… and then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope…

You state, &quot;If you can see the very Dajjal mentioned in this hadith then where is your Christ, son of Mary.&quot; Who said Dajjal has appeared? Have you not noticed that in this very hadith the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) says Dajjal &quot;...would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left… and it would be at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary.&quot; Please explain to me, in light of MGA believing that Christian missionaries are Dajjal, when these missionaries first appeared in the world? Aw that&#039;s right &#039;Saint&#039; Paul is regarded as the first missionary, the same Paul your &#039;prophet&#039; says corrupted the religion of Hazrat Isa (AS) whilst at the same time claiming such a thing was not possible while Hazrat Isa (AS) was alive which according to Ahmadis is approximately 120CE. Therefore, if Paul was the first missionary, according to your logic or at least the logic of your &#039;prophet&#039;, he was the Dajjal. Let me remind you:

&quot;Dajjal in fact is none other than the people known as Christian missionaries and European philosophers.&quot; (The Essence Of Islam Volume 3 – Page 281)

Accordingly, the second coming of Hazrat Isa (AS) with regards to MGA&#039;s verison in relation to the above hadith should have taken place when Paul began spreading mischief as he was the first missionary thus part of Dajjal thus as the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said &quot;...it would at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary...&quot; but wait... your made up Kashmir Jesus was still alive and outlived Paul... so... let me get this right... the second coming of Hazrat Isa (AS) should have taken place while the Kashmir Jesus was still on Earth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ What are you talking about? The hadith says:</p>
<p>Sahih Muslim<br />
Book 041, Number 7015:<br />
Narrated An-Nawwas b. Sam’an: That Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) made a mention of the Dajjal one day in the morning… He (Dajjal) would be a young man with twisted, contracted hair, and a blind eye. I compare him to ‘Abd-ul-’Uzza b. Qatan. He who amongst you would survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Sura Kahf (xviii.). He would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left… and it would at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damascus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it… and then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope…</p>
<p>You state, &#8220;If you can see the very Dajjal mentioned in this hadith then where is your Christ, son of Mary.&#8221; Who said Dajjal has appeared? Have you not noticed that in this very hadith the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) says Dajjal &#8220;&#8230;would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left… and it would be at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary.&#8221; Please explain to me, in light of MGA believing that Christian missionaries are Dajjal, when these missionaries first appeared in the world? Aw that&#8217;s right &#8216;Saint&#8217; Paul is regarded as the first missionary, the same Paul your &#8216;prophet&#8217; says corrupted the religion of Hazrat Isa (AS) whilst at the same time claiming such a thing was not possible while Hazrat Isa (AS) was alive which according to Ahmadis is approximately 120CE. Therefore, if Paul was the first missionary, according to your logic or at least the logic of your &#8216;prophet&#8217;, he was the Dajjal. Let me remind you:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dajjal in fact is none other than the people known as Christian missionaries and European philosophers.&#8221; (The Essence Of Islam Volume 3 – Page 281)</p>
<p>Accordingly, the second coming of Hazrat Isa (AS) with regards to MGA&#8217;s verison in relation to the above hadith should have taken place when Paul began spreading mischief as he was the first missionary thus part of Dajjal thus as the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said &#8220;&#8230;it would at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary&#8230;&#8221; but wait&#8230; your made up Kashmir Jesus was still alive and outlived Paul&#8230; so&#8230; let me get this right&#8230; the second coming of Hazrat Isa (AS) should have taken place while the Kashmir Jesus was still on Earth?</p>
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		<title>By: LM</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-14812</link>
		<dc:creator>LM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it Shahid! 

Far from entertaining, I think this blog clearly shows how sick your imagination is. 

One thing is to believe or not believe in the claim of someone but quite another is to change the meaning of Hadiths and Surahs of the Holy Quran to suit your argument. Don&#039;t worry, you are not alone, God mentions this very practice in the Holy Quran:

&quot;O People of the Book! why do you confound truth with falsehood and hide the truth knowingly?&quot; - Chapter 3: Verse 72 of the Holy Quran

You quote the following hadith in one of your other blogs, Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 7015, where the Dajjal is mentioned but as previous people of the book, you highlight one thing but intentionally forget to mention another. If you can see the very Dajjal mentioned in this hadith then where is your Christ, son of Mary. 

Let me assure you might want to wait for your own Christ, son of Mary, to appear as mentioned in the Hadith and even your progeny might wait with you or after you till the Day of Judgement but your wait will be in vain as your attitude shows that you are incapable of comprehending the very meaning of Hadiths and Surahs of the Holy Quran and are willing to twist their meaning to suit your very own imaginative arguments. 

Show me some signs of the Christ, son of Mary, mentioned in the hadith, give me some arguments, give me something meaningful at least. Can you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it Shahid! </p>
<p>Far from entertaining, I think this blog clearly shows how sick your imagination is. </p>
<p>One thing is to believe or not believe in the claim of someone but quite another is to change the meaning of Hadiths and Surahs of the Holy Quran to suit your argument. Don&#8217;t worry, you are not alone, God mentions this very practice in the Holy Quran:</p>
<p>&#8220;O People of the Book! why do you confound truth with falsehood and hide the truth knowingly?&#8221; &#8211; Chapter 3: Verse 72 of the Holy Quran</p>
<p>You quote the following hadith in one of your other blogs, Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 7015, where the Dajjal is mentioned but as previous people of the book, you highlight one thing but intentionally forget to mention another. If you can see the very Dajjal mentioned in this hadith then where is your Christ, son of Mary. </p>
<p>Let me assure you might want to wait for your own Christ, son of Mary, to appear as mentioned in the Hadith and even your progeny might wait with you or after you till the Day of Judgement but your wait will be in vain as your attitude shows that you are incapable of comprehending the very meaning of Hadiths and Surahs of the Holy Quran and are willing to twist their meaning to suit your very own imaginative arguments. </p>
<p>Show me some signs of the Christ, son of Mary, mentioned in the hadith, give me some arguments, give me something meaningful at least. Can you?</p>
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		<title>By: Muhammad Abu Tahir - iZeen</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-14283</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhammad Abu Tahir - iZeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Masih Ad-Dajjal – The Anti-Christ &#124; AhmadiyyaNarrated Abu Sa&#8217;id Khudri: Ibn Sa&#8217;id said to me something for which I felt ashamed. He said: I can excuse others; but what has gone wrong with you, O Companions of Muhammad, that y&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Masih Ad-Dajjal – The Anti-Christ | AhmadiyyaNarrated Abu Sa&#8217;id Khudri: Ibn Sa&#8217;id said to me something for which I felt ashamed. He said: I can excuse others; but what has gone wrong with you, O Companions of Muhammad, that y&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pristine</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-14224</link>
		<dc:creator>Pristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you point. My apologies.</description>
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		<title>By: EX-AHMADIS</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-14018</link>
		<dc:creator>EX-AHMADIS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Praise be to Allaah.

Allaah has guaranteed to protect His religion, which includes preserving His miraculous Book, and preserving the Sunnah of His Prophet which helps us to understand the Qur’aan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).” [al-Hijr 15:9]

The word Dhikr here includes both the Qur’aan and the Sunnah.

Many people – in the past and at present – have tried to insert weak and fabricated ahaadeeth into the pure sharee’ah and the Prophetic Sunnah. But Allaah has thrown their plots back in their faces and has provided means of protecting His religion. Among these means are the trustworthy and reliable scholars who sifted through the reports and checked their sources, examining the biographies of the narrators and even describing the point at which a narrator began to be confused in his narration, and stating who narrated from him before he became confused and who narrated from him afterwards. They described the journeys of the narrator, which cities he visited and from whom in each city he took reports. They checked many details about each narrator, more than can be listed here. All of this indicates that the religion of this Ummah is protected, no matter how hard our enemies try to plot and play about with the religion and distort it.

Sufyaan al-Thawri said: the angels are the guardians of the heavens and the scholars of hadeeth are the guardians of this world.

Al-Haafiz al-Dhahabi mentioned that Haaroon al-Rasheed was about to execute a zindeeq (heretic), and the zindeeq said: “What are you going to do about the one thousand ahaadeeth I have fabricated?” Al-Rasheed said: “What are you going to do, O enemy of Allaah, about Abu Ishaaq al-Fazaari and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who will sift through those ahaadeeth and examine them letter by letter?”

The seeker of knowledge can find out about the fabricated (mawdoo’) and weak (da’eef) ahaadeeth very easily, by looking at the isnaads or chains of narrators, and finding out about the people mentioned there in the “books of men” i.e., narrators (kutub al-rijaal) and the books which state which narrators are sound or otherwise (kutab al-jarh wa’l-ta’deel).

Many scholars have compiled these fabricated and weak ahaadeeth in books devoted solely to these type of reports, so that it is easy to find out about them – then one can beware of them and warn others about them. These books include al-‘Ilal al-Mutanaahiyah by Ibn al-Jawzi, al-Manaar al-Muneef by Ibn al-Qayyim, al-La’aali’ al-Masnoo’ah fi’l-Ahaadeeth al-Mawdoo’ah by al-Suyooti, al-Fawaa’id al-Majmoo’ah by al-Shawkaani, al-Asraar al-Marfoo’ah fi’l-Ahaadeeth al-Mawdoo’ah by Ibn ‘Arraaq, and Da’eef al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer and Silsilat al-Ahaadeeth al-Da’eefah wa’l-Mawdoo’ah, both by Shaykh al-Albaani, may Allaah have mercy on him.

I advise you dear friend to read the “books of men” i.e., narrators (kutub al-rijaal), the books which state which narrators are sound or otherwise (kutab al-jarh wa’l-ta’deel) and the books of the science of hadeeth (kutub mustalah al-hadeeth), so that he can learn the extent of the efforts made by the scholars in the service of the Sunnah.

And Allaah is the source of strength.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praise be to Allaah.</p>
<p>Allaah has guaranteed to protect His religion, which includes preserving His miraculous Book, and preserving the Sunnah of His Prophet which helps us to understand the Qur’aan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):</p>
<p>“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’ân) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).” [al-Hijr 15:9]</p>
<p>The word Dhikr here includes both the Qur’aan and the Sunnah.</p>
<p>Many people – in the past and at present – have tried to insert weak and fabricated ahaadeeth into the pure sharee’ah and the Prophetic Sunnah. But Allaah has thrown their plots back in their faces and has provided means of protecting His religion. Among these means are the trustworthy and reliable scholars who sifted through the reports and checked their sources, examining the biographies of the narrators and even describing the point at which a narrator began to be confused in his narration, and stating who narrated from him before he became confused and who narrated from him afterwards. They described the journeys of the narrator, which cities he visited and from whom in each city he took reports. They checked many details about each narrator, more than can be listed here. All of this indicates that the religion of this Ummah is protected, no matter how hard our enemies try to plot and play about with the religion and distort it.</p>
<p>Sufyaan al-Thawri said: the angels are the guardians of the heavens and the scholars of hadeeth are the guardians of this world.</p>
<p>Al-Haafiz al-Dhahabi mentioned that Haaroon al-Rasheed was about to execute a zindeeq (heretic), and the zindeeq said: “What are you going to do about the one thousand ahaadeeth I have fabricated?” Al-Rasheed said: “What are you going to do, O enemy of Allaah, about Abu Ishaaq al-Fazaari and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who will sift through those ahaadeeth and examine them letter by letter?”</p>
<p>The seeker of knowledge can find out about the fabricated (mawdoo’) and weak (da’eef) ahaadeeth very easily, by looking at the isnaads or chains of narrators, and finding out about the people mentioned there in the “books of men” i.e., narrators (kutub al-rijaal) and the books which state which narrators are sound or otherwise (kutab al-jarh wa’l-ta’deel).</p>
<p>Many scholars have compiled these fabricated and weak ahaadeeth in books devoted solely to these type of reports, so that it is easy to find out about them – then one can beware of them and warn others about them. These books include al-‘Ilal al-Mutanaahiyah by Ibn al-Jawzi, al-Manaar al-Muneef by Ibn al-Qayyim, al-La’aali’ al-Masnoo’ah fi’l-Ahaadeeth al-Mawdoo’ah by al-Suyooti, al-Fawaa’id al-Majmoo’ah by al-Shawkaani, al-Asraar al-Marfoo’ah fi’l-Ahaadeeth al-Mawdoo’ah by Ibn ‘Arraaq, and Da’eef al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer and Silsilat al-Ahaadeeth al-Da’eefah wa’l-Mawdoo’ah, both by Shaykh al-Albaani, may Allaah have mercy on him.</p>
<p>I advise you dear friend to read the “books of men” i.e., narrators (kutub al-rijaal), the books which state which narrators are sound or otherwise (kutab al-jarh wa’l-ta’deel) and the books of the science of hadeeth (kutub mustalah al-hadeeth), so that he can learn the extent of the efforts made by the scholars in the service of the Sunnah.</p>
<p>And Allaah is the source of strength.</p>
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		<title>By: Tahir Hussain</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-13996</link>
		<dc:creator>Tahir Hussain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume your objection would be that we should look at our own beliefs first... My point is that if you have no issues with the article in reference to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and the Ahmadiyya community then you are purposely taking the article outside its objective. I am not saying we should not discuss your concerns, only that this is not the place for it. As I said please join the forum to discuss your issues with our approach, there is no need to blur the objectives of our articles. I hope you see the point I am making. Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume your objection would be that we should look at our own beliefs first&#8230; My point is that if you have no issues with the article in reference to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and the Ahmadiyya community then you are purposely taking the article outside its objective. I am not saying we should not discuss your concerns, only that this is not the place for it. As I said please join the forum to discuss your issues with our approach, there is no need to blur the objectives of our articles. I hope you see the point I am making. Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Tahir Hussain</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-13991</link>
		<dc:creator>Tahir Hussain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re missing the point here. If you have an issue with sectarianism in Islam then  join the forum and make your viewpoint in regards to our approach on the blog known. I explained earlier that the Ahmadi community accept the ahadith and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad himself, on numerous occasions quotes ahadith relating to Dajjal to support his claim and perspective. Therefore I do not see the relevance of your post in light of the information presented in the article. I have read your posts on other articles here and you insist on making the same point there. The purpose is to discuss the articles on the blog within the scope of the topic. For the sake of analogy, If we were to discuss biology as a topic and you began criticising chemistry as you believe we should look at the bigger picture of science as a whole, what is this going to achieve? Stick to the theme and topic. Do you believe Ahmadiyya to be true Islam? I assume not, then what is your issue if we are trying to make that apparent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re missing the point here. If you have an issue with sectarianism in Islam then  join the forum and make your viewpoint in regards to our approach on the blog known. I explained earlier that the Ahmadi community accept the ahadith and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad himself, on numerous occasions quotes ahadith relating to Dajjal to support his claim and perspective. Therefore I do not see the relevance of your post in light of the information presented in the article. I have read your posts on other articles here and you insist on making the same point there. The purpose is to discuss the articles on the blog within the scope of the topic. For the sake of analogy, If we were to discuss biology as a topic and you began criticising chemistry as you believe we should look at the bigger picture of science as a whole, what is this going to achieve? Stick to the theme and topic. Do you believe Ahmadiyya to be true Islam? I assume not, then what is your issue if we are trying to make that apparent?</p>
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		<title>By: Pristine</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-13957</link>
		<dc:creator>Pristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion was not regarding your skill in discussion, it was regarding the ENTIRE BIG PICTURE.

Bashing others is easy. I can do the same to you if you confirm your views to me using the same materials that you use.

The Quran (and all actions and unbroken traditions of the Holy Prophet but NOT Hadeeth) is the ONLY source which is pure and if you follow that then I will be unable to point out all the contradictions in your current view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion was not regarding your skill in discussion, it was regarding the ENTIRE BIG PICTURE.</p>
<p>Bashing others is easy. I can do the same to you if you confirm your views to me using the same materials that you use.</p>
<p>The Quran (and all actions and unbroken traditions of the Holy Prophet but NOT Hadeeth) is the ONLY source which is pure and if you follow that then I will be unable to point out all the contradictions in your current view.</p>
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		<title>By: Tahir Hussain</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/12/27/masih-ad-dajjal-the-anti-christ/comment-page-1/#comment-13932</link>
		<dc:creator>Tahir Hussain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your kind comments. Brother Pristine, your argument is one that is outside the scope of this article and blog. The reason I am saying this is because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a FIRM believer (in the sense of acceptance) in the ahadith (though he discards any that contradict his so called revelations and interprets ahadith how he wishes, without the consensus of any one other than himself). Therefore he is refuted on the basis of the ahadith. If he did not accept the ahadith then indeed you have an argument with the points raised in the article, however this is not the case. If I do not accept the Bible as authority then you can not refute my beliefs based on the Bible. If I did accept the Bible as authority then you could quote any relevant passages and refute my beliefs in light of the relevant passages. This is the same acid test applied to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your kind comments. Brother Pristine, your argument is one that is outside the scope of this article and blog. The reason I am saying this is because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a FIRM believer (in the sense of acceptance) in the ahadith (though he discards any that contradict his so called revelations and interprets ahadith how he wishes, without the consensus of any one other than himself). Therefore he is refuted on the basis of the ahadith. If he did not accept the ahadith then indeed you have an argument with the points raised in the article, however this is not the case. If I do not accept the Bible as authority then you can not refute my beliefs based on the Bible. If I did accept the Bible as authority then you could quote any relevant passages and refute my beliefs in light of the relevant passages. This is the same acid test applied to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in this article.</p>
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