Out of Context Vol. 2

4:69

taken from alislam.org
KORAN
[4:70] And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these.

HADITH
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 110:
Narrated ‘Aisha:

I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “No prophet gets sick but he is given the choice to select either this world or the Hereafter.” ‘Aisha added: During his fatal illness, his voice became very husky and I heard him saying: “In the company of those whom is the Grace of Allah, of the prophets, the Siddiqin (those followers of the prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them), the martyrs and the pious.’ (4.69) And from this I came to know that he has been given the option.

1. MGAQ never used this verse to argue that prophethood in the “real” sense of the word was continous. MGAQ argues that the attributes of prophetood (mubashirat and munzirat) were attainable by any honest muslim. In Tiryaq ul quloob(1902) MGAQ went in-depth in explaining how a muhaddas could attain these 4 levels.

1.a. MGAQ took this verse out of context the first time and used it to support a line of argumentation that was previously non-existent.

2. In the beginning of 1915 Mirza Mahmad published 2 books in which he wrote that this koranic verse supported the advent of new prophets.

2.a. Mirza Mahmud followed in his fathers footsteps and altered this verse even further. Neccesity is the mother of invention. Mahmud ahmad needed it to mean that prophets could appear in the future. Unfortunatley both of these books are only available in urdu. They are Qaul-al-fasl (jan 1915) and Haqiq-tun-nubuwwa (march 1915).

3. In the history of ahmadiyya literature, this koranic verse has never been connected with the relevant hadith. The qadianis have tried to hide this verse from the view of the ahmadis.
They are so dishonest that they havent even tried to connect the two, this outlines the qadiani mind-state. They use the koran as they wish.

WHAT DOES THIS VERSE REALLY MEAN?

Ibn Abbas is the father of tafsir, in his tafsir he wrote:

(Whoso obeyeth Allah and the messenger) this verse was revealed about Thawban, the client of Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) who said: “I am afraid not to meet you in the Hereafter, O Messenger of Allah!” This is because he loved him intensely and could not bear being away from him. Allah’s Messenger saw the change in him and so Allah mentioned the honour bestowed on him, saying: whoever obeys Allah regarding the obligations and obeys the Prophet regarding the prophetic practices (they are) in Paradise (with those unto whom Allah hath shown favour, of the Prophets) Muhammad (pbuh) and the other prophets, (and the saints) the best among the Companions of the Prophet (pbuh) (and the martyrs) those who were martyred in the way of Allah (and the righteous) the righteous among the Community of Muhammad (pbuh). (The best of company are they) in Paradise!

Suyuti wrote:
Whoever obeys God and the Messenger, in what he commands, they are with those whom God has blessed of the prophets and the truthful, that is, the most excellent of the Prophet’s Companions, because of the fullness of their truthfulness and their affirmation of the truth; and the martyrs, those slain in the path of God; and the righteous, [all those] other than the ones mentioned. What fine companions they are!, in Paradise, since in it one will enjoy seeing them, visiting them and being in their presence, even though they will be in the highest stations in relation to others.

CONCLUSIONS

This verse was always meant to signify the hereafter. If you are a good muslim (u follow the orders of Muhammad and allah) during your temporary life here on earth, then in the hereafter you would be given the oppurtunity to sit and relax with muhammad and the other prophets of allah.

May allah help the qadianis see the economic trap that they are in.

8 thoughts on “Out of Context Vol. 2”

rationalist,

All four categories will be in the company of Holy Prophet (saw) according to their spiritual status and deeds. There is no doubt about that. There are only four ways to find nearness to Holy Prophet (saw) and for that one must attain the station of righteousness, or martyrdom, or Siddiqiat or Prophethood. Thawban (ra) attained one of these categories and will be in the company or RusoolAllah (saw) in the hereafter.

Shahid on December 11, 2009 at 9:26 pm said:

Lutf, you’re a clever man, far cleverer than I, why do you use your intelligence in the service of falsehood? I mean, surely, you must see that your founder spouted confusing and nonsensical ideas and statements. You must, because you’re not stupid at all. You’ve seen it and read it. Why do you continue to serve falsehood? Do you believe in an afterlife? Or do you think “akhirah” means “revelation to come”?

shahid, akhira will be the theme of vol. 3. For the time being I give the reference from Tiryaq ul quloob–1902 (elixer of hearts).

First quality: receiving revelation
Firstly, matters of the unseen should, after supplication or by other means, be disclosed to him in such abundance, and many prophecies be fulfilled so clearly, that no other person could rival him in respect of abundance of quantity and clarity of condition. And as regards this abundance and clarity, it should be not only improbable, but impossible, that someone else could have a share of these qualities. That is to say, it should be entirely impossible that someone else could parallel or rival these qualities in terms of secrets of the unseen revealed, acceptance of his prayers and prior intimation of the same to him, and signs of support that appear in heaven and earth. And he should, by way of miracle and in an extraordinary manner, be granted such Divine knowledge of the unseen, luminous visions and heavenly support, as if a gigantic river were flowing and a glorious light descending from heaven and spreading on the earth; and these things should reach the stage where they appear to be miraculous and unequalled in their time. This excellence is called the excellence of prophethood.

— Tiryaq al-Qulub, in Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 15, pages 417–423.

SO FIRST WE MUST ESTABLISH THAT MGAQ NEVER USED THIS VERSE AS AN ARGUMENT FOR THE CONTINUATION OF ANY KIND OF REAL PROPHETHOOD.

Once you realize that, then things become easier. MGAQ adjusted islam has he deemed fit, after him, his sons did the same.

Brother,

I do not understand this.

“The qadianis have tried to hide this verse from the view of the ahmadis.”

But this is probably the most quoted verse in Ahmadiyya literature while arguing their position on prophethood.

@ asad, I meant the hadith report. The hadith report is from sahih bukhari. The ahmadis have never connected the quranic verse with the proper hadith report. I have checked over 20 books.

Do you get it. Here is your homework assignment:

1. Show me a reference in the works of MGAQ where he connects this hadith report with the verse in the quran.
FYI: This hadith report is in sahih bukhari in the book of TAFSIR. Its very easy to find.

2. Show me a reference in the works of Mahmud Ahmad where he connects this hadith report with the qoranic verse.

3. Show me a reference in any books from alislam.org where this hadith report is connected with the relevant Quranic verse.

Dont get shy…

WE CAN WHAT WE WILL DO—-CIRCA 1885

Brother Rationalist,

I do not understand the connection that you are trying to establish. Holy Prophet(PBUH) does not fall under the category “For, all who pay heed unto God and the Apostle …”. He was the Apostle himself! But I get your point about the verse. You are saying that this verse is talking about the reward after death. Fair enough. Many scholars believe this is the right tafsir. I think you can reconcile this with Ahmadiyya position. In fact a reconciliation with Ahmadiyya position makes the verse more meaningful. It does not make any sense on insisting that a person, after his death, would be in the company of the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous, but he would not be one of them.

Farhan on December 14, 2009 at 3:00 am said:

Brother Asad,

Islam is the Divine book and the Prophetic traditions, not just one or the other. Consider the narrations around the Ayah you are using. Here’s a blog entry I wrote a whiles back. It will answer your questions. Let me know if you have any others.
http://thecult.info/blog/2008/07/31/amongst-the-prophets-the-truthful-the-martyrs-and-the-righteous/

Farhan is correct, when analyzing the Quran a muffassir must taken into consideration the relevant hadith. A muffassir who doesnt use this method is NO GOOD.

Any ahmadi whether LAM or not must use this hadith when explaining 4:69.

It is important to note that the LAM interpret this verse as meaning that the qualities of prophethood are attainable by a muhaddas. Yet not one member of the LAM has achieved this status is 100 years.

Funny.. right??

Lutf on December 11, 2009 at 8:55 pm said:

rationalist,

All four categories will be in the company of Holy Prophet (saw) according to their spiritual status and deeds. There is no doubt about that. There are only four ways to find nearness to Holy Prophet (saw) and for that one must attain the station of righteousness, or martyrdom, or Siddiqiat or Prophethood. Thawban (ra) attained one of these categories and will be in the company or RusoolAllah (saw) in the hereafter.
- Shahid on December 11, 2009 at 9:26 pm said:
  
  Lutf, you’re a clever man, far cleverer than I, why do you use your intelligence in the service of falsehood? I mean, surely, you must see that your founder spouted confusing and nonsensical ideas and statements. You must, because you’re not stupid at all. You’ve seen it and read it. Why do you continue to serve falsehood? Do you believe in an afterlife? Or do you think “akhirah” means “revelation to come”?
rationalist on December 11, 2009 at 10:41 pm said:

shahid, akhira will be the theme of vol. 3. For the time being I give the reference from Tiryaq ul quloob–1902 (elixer of hearts).

First quality: receiving revelation
Firstly, matters of the unseen should, after supplication or by other means, be disclosed to him in such abundance, and many prophecies be fulfilled so clearly, that no other person could rival him in respect of abundance of quantity and clarity of condition. And as regards this abundance and clarity, it should be not only improbable, but impossible, that someone else could have a share of these qualities. That is to say, it should be entirely impossible that someone else could parallel or rival these qualities in terms of secrets of the unseen revealed, acceptance of his prayers and prior intimation of the same to him, and signs of support that appear in heaven and earth. And he should, by way of miracle and in an extraordinary manner, be granted such Divine knowledge of the unseen, luminous visions and heavenly support, as if a gigantic river were flowing and a glorious light descending from heaven and spreading on the earth; and these things should reach the stage where they appear to be miraculous and unequalled in their time. This excellence is called the excellence of prophethood.

— Tiryaq al-Qulub, in Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 15, pages 417–423.

SO FIRST WE MUST ESTABLISH THAT MGAQ NEVER USED THIS VERSE AS AN ARGUMENT FOR THE CONTINUATION OF ANY KIND OF REAL PROPHETHOOD.

Once you realize that, then things become easier. MGAQ adjusted islam has he deemed fit, after him, his sons did the same.
Asad on December 13, 2009 at 5:32 am said:

Brother,

I do not understand this.

“The qadianis have tried to hide this verse from the view of the ahmadis.”

But this is probably the most quoted verse in Ahmadiyya literature while arguing their position on prophethood.
rationalist on December 13, 2009 at 4:27 pm said:

@ asad, I meant the hadith report. The hadith report is from sahih bukhari. The ahmadis have never connected the quranic verse with the proper hadith report. I have checked over 20 books.

Do you get it. Here is your homework assignment:

1. Show me a reference in the works of MGAQ where he connects this hadith report with the verse in the quran.
FYI: This hadith report is in sahih bukhari in the book of TAFSIR. Its very easy to find.

2. Show me a reference in the works of Mahmud Ahmad where he connects this hadith report with the qoranic verse.

3. Show me a reference in any books from alislam.org where this hadith report is connected with the relevant Quranic verse.

Dont get shy…

WE CAN WHAT WE WILL DO—-CIRCA 1885
Asad on December 14, 2009 at 12:19 am said:

Brother Rationalist,

I do not understand the connection that you are trying to establish. Holy Prophet(PBUH) does not fall under the category “For, all who pay heed unto God and the Apostle …”. He was the Apostle himself! But I get your point about the verse. You are saying that this verse is talking about the reward after death. Fair enough. Many scholars believe this is the right tafsir. I think you can reconcile this with Ahmadiyya position. In fact a reconciliation with Ahmadiyya position makes the verse more meaningful. It does not make any sense on insisting that a person, after his death, would be in the company of the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous, but he would not be one of them.
- Farhan on December 14, 2009 at 3:00 am said:
  
  Brother Asad,
  
  Islam is the Divine book and the Prophetic traditions, not just one or the other. Consider the narrations around the Ayah you are using. Here’s a blog entry I wrote a whiles back. It will answer your questions. Let me know if you have any others.
  http://thecult.info/blog/2008/07/31/amongst-the-prophets-the-truthful-the-martyrs-and-the-righteous/
rationalist on December 14, 2009 at 7:46 pm said:

Farhan is correct, when analyzing the Quran a muffassir must taken into consideration the relevant hadith. A muffassir who doesnt use this method is NO GOOD.

Any ahmadi whether LAM or not must use this hadith when explaining 4:69.

It is important to note that the LAM interpret this verse as meaning that the qualities of prophethood are attainable by a muhaddas. Yet not one member of the LAM has achieved this status is 100 years.

Funny.. right??