The ahmadis have temporarily shut down their forums. Only Allah knows the true reason behind this shut down. Their forum didnt even last 1 month. I dont think that Masroor Ahmad will ever approve of ahmadis going on the net and discussing their religion, there are too many problems that may happen.
I was monitoring this forum regularly, and it appeared that the topic of KUFR and the muslim ummah stirred lots of controversy and confusion. The ahmadis just could not figure out what their own belief was.
Some people commented that if any muslim rejects even one prophet of Allah then that person is no longer a muslim.
Others referred to the statments of the 3rd khalifa in the 1974 court proceedings. I kept asking for a explanation of the writings of the sons of MGAQ from 1911 to 1922. I also referenced the split that occurred in this community. I explained how this topic was the key feature of the split.
Oddly enough, nobody on that forum was up to the scholarly task of analyzing the topic of those who reject their prophet.
Zia Shah was the chief moderator and this guy would not allow a controversial thread to continue, he closed the thread on KUFR citing hurt feelings and confusion.
I challenge any of those ahmadis to come here and have a professional discussion with us.
Here is a newspaper clipping from a neutral source which explains as to why the split happened:
“Since quite some time this Jamaat (Ahmadiyya) has been divided into two groups because of the differences on the issue of Takfir. One group believes that non-Ahmadi Muslims too are Muslims even though they don’t believe in the claims of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib, while the other group openly proclaims that those who do not believe in Hazrat Mirza Sahib are kafir. Mirza Basheer-ud-din Mahmud Ahmad is the leader of the latter group and they have now declared him as their Khalifah, but the first group does not recognise him. The articles published by Maulana Muhammad Ali in this behalf and the unparalleled courage and boldness with which he had expressed his opinion while residing in Qadian is in fact an event which will go down in the history as the greatest event of this year.” (Al-Hilal, 25th March, 1914).
HERE IS A LIST OF EVIDENCE FOR MY AHMADI BROTHERS TO VIEW:
1) “So whatever has been ordained in the Holy Quran about non-belief in a Prophet, the same applies in the case of Mirza Sahib.” (Al-Qaul-al-Fasal, p. 33).
2) “If we don’t believe in him as a Prophet then a dangerous flaw occurs (in iman [faith]) which is enough to render one a ‘kafir’.” (Haqeeqat-un-Nabuwwat, p. 204).
3) “It is obligatory for us not to consider non-Ahmadis as Muslims.” (Anwaar-e-Khilafat, p. 90).
4) “… and one who does not believe in the Promised Messiah, whatever his reasons for this non-belief, he is kafir.” (Zikar-e-Illahi, p. 22).
5) “The third matter to which he (Maulana Muhammad Ali) calls my attention is the issue of ‘kufar and Islam’. He says the path of peace is that we consider non-Ahmadis as Muslims, but I say ‘the path of peace is that we accept the decision of the Holy Quran. The Holy Quran calls the non-believers in a Prophet a kafir, and the same Allah calls Mirza Sahib a Prophet’.” (Haqeeqat-ul-Amar, p. 17).
6) “Is there any such irreligious non-Ahmadi who will marry his daughter to a Christian or a Hindu? You call them kafir but in this matter he is better than you in spite of being a kafir, but you even being Ahmadi marry your daughters to kafirs.” (Maliakatullah, p. 46).
7) “We met a person in Lucknow who is a great scholar. He said ‘many of your adversaries falsely propagate about you that you call us kafir. I cannot believe that a person of your vast capacity would be saying so.’ Sheikh Yaqub Ali was talking to him. I told him, ‘you tell him that we in fact call him a kafir.’ On hearing this he was much astonished.” (Anwar-e-Khilafat, p. 92).
8. All such Muslims who have not entered in the Baiat of the Promised Messiah, whether they have not heard the name of the Promised Messiah, are kafir and out of the pail of Islam. That these beliefs have my full concurrence. I readily admit. (Aaina-e-Saddaaqat. p. 35).
His younger brother Mirza Bashir Ahmad, M.A., surpassed him when he wrote:
“Every such person, who believes in Moses but does not believe in Jesus, or believes in Jesus but does not believe in Mohammed, or believes in Mohammed but does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a kafir but a confirmed kafir and out of the pail of Islam.” (Kalamatul-Fasal, p. 110)
I actually started that thread about Non-Ahmad’s and after initially opening the post to gather some opinions and then hit them all with MGA quotes… I was not allowed to post anymore. None of my posts made it past moderation. I used the best of manners and was polite in every sense of the word but when I used MGA’s own quotes, they were not allowed.
I do not know why I am shocked… this should have been expected in all honesty. I wasn’t even allowed to ask if Ahmadi’s believe that all non-Ahmadis are Satan worshipers. Now if you believed someone has this ‘misconception’ about your religion, would you not want it to be cleared? Well Zia Shah clearly didn’t and I’m pretty sure he knew exactly what I was referring to…
Their cult is indefensible from a theological standpoint as well as a logical standpoint. They cannot permit open debate as it would cause the foundations of their business to crumble. The leadership cannot allow that. So they set up their forums in response to increasing pressure by people from the Ahmadiyya Awareness community, who have been busily exposing the fallacy of Ahmadiyya from a number of overlapping angles.
The Iqra programmes really got them worried, but those programmes were just the icing on the cake.
This event is for me a flash-back back of the end of nineties, when I was studying Ahmadiyya extensively. After the launch and success of the anti-ahmadiyya the shut their websites for years….
Could you imagine?
I think its hilarious that you equate the two. We are challenging the ahmadis for debate. Where are you guys? Why wont you accept?
loooooooser