I asked you a simple question. You have accused me of taking something out of context and in your accusation, you stripped the context of my statements to suit you.

Who said I can’t read Urdu? I just can’t read it very well, but I’ve read Mirza Sahib’s English revelations from the original Urdu – see my video “Words of Satan”

You are very silent on brother Akber’s translation of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya where Mirza Sahib says that dead flies can be resurrected with salt and ash. And I’ve seen that in context.

No contextualising justifies Mirza Ghulam Ahmad calling the people he doesn’t like “progeny of prostitute”.

No contextualising changes the fact that Mirza Sahib conducted wholesale plagiarism of “Maqaamaat al-Hareeri” to try and impress people with his presumed mastery of Arabic.

No contextualising changes the fact that Mirza Sahib did claim English revelations and that the grammar was nonsensical in any era.

Your arguments are so weak that you need to continually type in upper case to try and shout people down. It doesn’t work. Stop doing it or your next message will just be deleted.

Now, your suggestions are all good and well, but I have read Mirza Sahib’s translated books by the Ahmadiyya movement, and by other Muslims. Nothing convinces me that the man was any more than a charlatan. At best, self-deceived and at worst, a conniving atheist trickster who knew exactly what he was doing.

I am open to truth and that is precisely why I reject Mirza Sahib’s work. He is too confusing. He brought nothing new, he brought nothing original, he reformed nothing, changed nothing and used lots of bad language and his prophecies flopped on every occasion. He backtracked when caught out and his followers either left him or split.

I urge you to come to your senses.

Problems with Shahid Kamal.

1) Shahid can NOT read Urdu. So UNABLE to read HMGA books in original text/ language.
2) His source of knowledge on HMGA books are Anti-Ahmadiyya websites and their LIES and OUT OF CONTEXT and MISQUOTES.
3) He verifies objections of opponents of HMGA by referring to a book NOT WRITTEN BY HMGA HIMSELF. He depends on SECONDARY SOURCES.
4) Tadhkirah is NOT HMGA book. This is secondary source (and main source for Shahid) and has CREATED ALL THE MISINFORMATION and OBJECTIONS. As it takes HMGA quotes OUT OF CONTEXT. Does NOT give the whole context and HMGA own explanations. (Even translator of this book, Sir Zafaullah Khan, from Urdu to English, REALIZED his MISTAKE of translating it. He acknowledged his mistake to Maulana Noor Ud Din son Abdul Mannan Omar sahib. Mannan sahib personally told me).
5) When Shahid’s mistake is pointed out, instead of acknowledging it, he JUMPS to another objection. As I said, all these objections originate by taking HMGA quotes OUT OF CONTEXT. There are over 85 HMGA books. Thus these objections by Shahid and other opponents of HMGA will NEVER end.
SUGGESTIONS FOR SHAHID:
1- Learn Urdu and read HMGA books YOURSELF.
2- Wait and hold your objections until you read HMGA books translation become available on Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement headquarters website.
3- Read HMGA books English translations that are already available on LAM official website.

Your: You forgot to mention the rest of the revelation that contained the actual mistake:
“He is with you to kill enemy”
Wriggle your way out of that one my friend.
WE CAN WHAT WE WILL DO!

If you had read ‘Haqiqat-ul-Wahy’ pages, you would NOT have made above comments.
You did NOT acknowledge at least reply to one revelation.

Your: What a disgraceful attempt at deception.

Shahid, I was trying to help you i.e. teach you and remove your MISUNDERSTANDING, giving you benefit of doubt, OUT OF SYMPATHY, as you can NOT read Urdu.
I can write at least same strong language that you used. But then you will delete my post.

I have suggested you what to do IF YOU HONESTLY want to know/ read writings of HMGA.
I have done my job. I don’t have time to answer your out of context objections/ accusations. You will be ANSWERING to Allah SWT for NOT performing your responsibilities and just accusing HMGA.
Bye.

You forgot to mention the rest of the revelation that contained the actual mistake:

“He is with you to kill enemy”

Ex-Qadianis Shahid and Farhan (in their YouTube videos and interview on Iqra TV) have rejected Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claim of Mujjaddid (reformer) of 14th Islamic Hijra century. According Shahid and Farhan, since revelation “God is coming BY His army” is ungrammatical so they reject revelation and reject HMGA claim of divine appointment (Mujjaddid). Without going into details, I want to clarify that HMGA was NOT a prophet, so he was NOT bound by Holy Quran verse where Allah SWT ONLY does revelation in language of messenger. HMGA has also made this point, too.

If people can read HMGA book ‘Haqiqat-ul-Wahy’ footnote on page 317, the point will be quite clear.
Please read footnote in which HMGA says that he COULD have expressed a word or two of these English revelations incorrectly. He also says that God sometimes uses an expression from another era or different from current human usage.

In main text on same page he writes (in my words) English is NOT his language. And Allah SWT has bestowed him with revelation in English so that English people can understand it.

There can be other explanations as well.

1. “By” is so close to “with” in meaning that it is not objectionable.
You can say “I am sitting by my child”, meaning that you are sitting
with your child.

I quote below from a dictionary (at freedictionary.org) the meaning of the word “by” and capitalise what I want to highlight:

In the neighborhood of; near or next to; not far from;
close to; ALONG WITH; as, come and sit by me.
[1913 Webster]

2. “Coming by” is also an expression meaning “visiting”. “His army” may not mean who God is coming with, but who God is coming to see.
There is a Christian hymn from the 1920s, “Kumbaya, my Lord”, which is translated as “Come by here, my Lord”. So it may mean that God (i.e. God’s help) will come to His army or the Ahmadiyya Jamaat.

3. Similar to the above, “by” also conveys “by means of” (e.g. “He is coming by his car”). The meaning would be that God will be shown to the world by His army, i.e. through the Ahmadiyya Jamaat.

4. It is also interesting to note that in Arabic in the Quran “bi” is used as meaning “with”.

In 27:37 Solomon says: “so we shall certainly come to them with armies (bi-junud)”.

“Moses came to you with clear arguments (bi-l-bayyinat)” 2:92

Since “bi” so commonly in Arabic means “with” (as in Solomon coming “with armies”), it is conceivable that “by” in English may in the past have been used in the same way.

Regards.

Does your false Prophet not agree with our ulama?

“I have heard that some leading Ulama of this city Delhi are giving publicity to the allegation against me that I lay claim to prophethood. … I respectfully state to all these gentlemen that these allegations are an entire fabrication. I do not make a claim to prophethood. … After the Holy Prophet Muhammad, I consider anyone who claims prophethood and messengership to be a liar and unbeliever.”
(Statement issued in Delhi, 2 October 1891. Majmu`a Ishtiharat, 1986 edition, vol. 1, pp. 230-231)

what??? that quote you just presented here is completely invalid because YOU, as with all other ahmadis, will happily eat non-halal meat.

you dont eat what ‘we slaughter’. nor do any other ahmadis. so technically, they not muslim if this quote is anything to go by!