Comments on: The Age Of My Demise http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/ "Love for Tyranny, Hatred for Muslims" Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:46:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: shella http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/comment-page-1/#comment-14027 shella Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:22:39 +0000 http://thecult.info/blog/?p=151#comment-14027 tahir sahab how many reference you can provide me which reveals mirza sahab date of birth 1839-1842???? From the day Imam reveals himself by virtue of Ilham (Inspiration of the heart); he will live for 40 years. Let it be clear that this humble self was appointed by special Ilham to invite to the truth in the 40th year of age and good news was given that I will get to an age of 80 or near it. So 40 years of preaching is proven by this Ilham, out of which 10 years have passed. (Roohani Khazain, Nishan Asmani – Volume 4 – Page 14) it reveal mirza sahab born in 1842 I was born towards the last days of Sikh rule in 1839 or 1840 C.E. In 1857 I was sixteen or seventeen years old; my beard and moustaches had not yet started growing. (A Brief Sketch Of My Life – Page 10) it reveals mirza sahab born in 1839 or 1840 I was born in 1839 or 1840, towards the end of the Sikh era. In 1857 I was in my 16th or 17th year and facial hair had not yet started growing. (Roohani Khazain, Kitab-ul-Bariyyah – Volume 13 – Page 177) it also reveals mirza sahab born in 1839 or 1840. could tahir sahab or any other muslim brother provide more reference of mirza sahab's birth year as 1839-1842???? tahir sahab
how many reference you can provide me which reveals mirza sahab date of birth 1839-1842????

From the day Imam reveals himself by virtue of Ilham (Inspiration of the heart); he will live for 40 years. Let it be clear that this humble self was appointed by special Ilham to invite to the truth in the 40th year of age and good news was given that I will get to an age of 80 or near it. So 40 years of preaching is proven by this Ilham, out of which 10 years have passed. (Roohani Khazain, Nishan Asmani – Volume 4 – Page 14)
it reveal mirza sahab born in 1842

I was born towards the last days of Sikh rule in 1839 or 1840 C.E. In 1857 I was sixteen or seventeen years old; my beard and moustaches had not yet started growing. (A Brief Sketch Of My Life – Page 10)
it reveals mirza sahab born in 1839 or 1840

I was born in 1839 or 1840, towards the end of the Sikh era. In 1857 I was in my 16th or 17th year and facial hair had not yet started growing. (Roohani Khazain, Kitab-ul-Bariyyah – Volume 13 – Page 177)
it also reveals mirza sahab born in 1839 or 1840.

could tahir sahab or any other muslim brother provide more reference of mirza sahab’s birth year as 1839-1842????

]]> By: shella http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/comment-page-1/#comment-14025 shella Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:50:27 +0000 http://thecult.info/blog/?p=151#comment-14025 sorry.it was a blunder.i hope there would be a qadiyani trying to prove mirza sahab's age 76,even with this 1930s n1940s.lolol sorry.it was a blunder.i hope there would be a qadiyani trying to prove mirza sahab’s age 76,even with this 1930s n1940s.lolol

]]> By: Shahid http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/comment-page-1/#comment-14016 Shahid Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:58:02 +0000 http://thecult.info/blog/?p=151#comment-14016 shella, please be very careful to get the dates right when you talk about something date-sensitive like Mirza's birth year. You are consistently talking about the 1930s and 1940s instead of the 1830s and 1840s. shella, please be very careful to get the dates right when you talk about something date-sensitive like Mirza’s birth year. You are consistently talking about the 1930s and 1940s instead of the 1830s and 1840s.

]]> By: Tahir Hussain http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/comment-page-1/#comment-14013 Tahir Hussain Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:13:56 +0000 http://thecult.info/blog/?p=151#comment-14013 Of course, It was said in Arbayeen No 3 in 1900. He would have been 61 at the time. You may be interested in the following quote relating to his death too: “Revelation (Arabic)... (Urdu): I shall lengthen thy days... This means that those of my enemies who say that only fourteen months of my age are left after July 1907 or prophesy my death within a certain time will all be confounded and God will lengthen my days so as to demonstrate that He is God and everything is under His control.” (Tadhkirah - Page 879) He claims that those who say he only has fourteen months of his age left after July 1907 will be proved wrong by God as God will lengthen his days further than this date. This therefore obviously means an extension beyond the fourteen months to prove those against him wrong. He claims God will do this for him as a sign to demonstrate that God controls everything. To reiterate the date of his demise: “...died at Lahore on May 26th 1908” (Tadhkirah - Page 5) Mirza Ghulam Ahmad died on May 26th 1908. How could this be? Fourteen months after July 1907 corresponds to September 1908 and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said God would extend his age beyond September 1908 as a sign to those who say he only has fourteen months of his age left after July 1907. How is it then that he died four months prior to this date on May 26th 1908? The revelation was clearly not from Almighty Allah (SWT) as He never breaks His word. This is yet more evidence of his falsehood and he has been proven wrong on two different prophecies relating to his demise. Of course, It was said in Arbayeen No 3 in 1900. He would have been 61 at the time. You may be interested in the following quote relating to his death too:

“Revelation (Arabic)… (Urdu): I shall lengthen thy days… This means that those of my enemies who say that only fourteen months of my age are left after July 1907 or prophesy my death within a certain time will all be confounded and God will lengthen my days so as to demonstrate that He is God and everything is under His control.” (Tadhkirah – Page 879)

He claims that those who say he only has fourteen months of his age left after July 1907 will be proved wrong by God as God will lengthen his days further than this date. This therefore obviously means an extension beyond the fourteen months to prove those against him wrong. He claims God will do this for him as a sign to demonstrate that God controls everything. To reiterate the date of his demise:

“…died at Lahore on May 26th 1908” (Tadhkirah – Page 5)

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad died on May 26th 1908. How could this be? Fourteen months after July 1907 corresponds to September 1908 and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said God would extend his age beyond September 1908 as a sign to those who say he only has fourteen months of his age left after July 1907. How is it then that he died four months prior to this date on May 26th 1908? The revelation was clearly not from Almighty Allah (SWT) as He never breaks His word. This is yet more evidence of his falsehood and he has been proven wrong on two different prophecies relating to his demise.

]]> By: shella http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/comment-page-1/#comment-14008 shella Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:27:54 +0000 http://thecult.info/blog/?p=151#comment-14008 As Allah, the Exalted, knew that my opponents would wish for my early demise so that they might be able to proclaim that I had died early because I was false in my claims, therefore, He revealed to me aforetime: Eighty years or thereabouts, or a little more, and you will witness your distant progeny. Thirty-five years or so have passed since this revelation was vouchsafed. (Tadhkirah – Page 17) tahir sahab or anyone plz can tell me when mirza sahab said this thing.what was his age when he told this so-called revealation? As Allah, the Exalted, knew that my opponents would wish for my early demise so that they might be able to proclaim that I had died early because I was false in my claims, therefore, He revealed to me aforetime: Eighty years or thereabouts, or a little more, and you will witness your distant progeny. Thirty-five years or so have passed since this revelation was vouchsafed. (Tadhkirah – Page 17)

tahir sahab or anyone plz can tell me when mirza sahab said this thing.what was his age when he told this so-called revealation?

]]> By: shella http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/comment-page-1/#comment-14007 shella Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:21:48 +0000 http://thecult.info/blog/?p=151#comment-14007 salam its true they never believe about proofs which reveals mirza's birth year as 1939-1942.i told you about qadiyani who argued with me,he says that he has many proof which reveals mirza bith year was 1935.i have already mentioned up above,two of those proofs. on the other hand i have seen 6,7 proofs only on a Facebook thread which reveal mirza birth year was 1939. with my limited knowledge ,i conclude that mirza birth year is 1939-1942 because reference of 1935 as mirza's birth year are proving to be contradictory.as you have mentioned up above that mirza was 34-35 when his father died.now the references which qadianis provide become lesser effective. salam
its true they never believe about proofs which reveals mirza’s birth year as 1939-1942.i told you about qadiyani who argued with me,he says that he has many proof which reveals mirza bith year was 1935.i have already mentioned up above,two of those proofs.
on the other hand i have seen 6,7 proofs only on a Facebook thread which reveal mirza birth year was 1939.
with my limited knowledge ,i conclude that mirza birth year is 1939-1942 because reference of 1935 as mirza’s birth year are proving to be contradictory.as you have mentioned up above that mirza was 34-35 when his father died.now the references which qadianis provide become lesser effective.

]]> By: Tahir Hussain http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/comment-page-1/#comment-13999 Tahir Hussain Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:51:05 +0000 http://thecult.info/blog/?p=151#comment-13999 WS Shella. I have not even verified the quote from his friend to see if he did actually say such a thing as I can not find the book. Why he said it? I do not know but why did MGA not say it in any of his books if it was true? What I don't understand is why they do not believe MGA when he says he was born in 1839 or 1840. Why do they say it is a guess? Did MGA say it was a guess? No. They won't even dare answer when the last days of Sikh rule were, was MGA taking a guess about this event too? They cannot accept his real DOB as it proves he was a charlatan. It destroys the beliefs they have grown up with and it is the foundation of their lives, therefore any one who attempts to shatter that foundation will only be faced by denial of the facts. If someone keeps believing that milk is black, you can only show them it is white and then leave them to it. WS Shella. I have not even verified the quote from his friend to see if he did actually say such a thing as I can not find the book. Why he said it? I do not know but why did MGA not say it in any of his books if it was true? What I don’t understand is why they do not believe MGA when he says he was born in 1839 or 1840. Why do they say it is a guess? Did MGA say it was a guess? No. They won’t even dare answer when the last days of Sikh rule were, was MGA taking a guess about this event too? They cannot accept his real DOB as it proves he was a charlatan. It destroys the beliefs they have grown up with and it is the foundation of their lives, therefore any one who attempts to shatter that foundation will only be faced by denial of the facts. If someone keeps believing that milk is black, you can only show them it is white and then leave them to it.

]]> By: shella http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/comment-page-1/#comment-13966 shella Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:20:02 +0000 http://thecult.info/blog/?p=151#comment-13966 salam tahir sahab n rationalist tahir sahab y did mirza sahab's friend say that?what could be the possible reason? was he trying to prove mirza bith year as 1835? rationalist never get disappointed.for the kind of efforts you guys do ,suppose if it does not convert a single qadiani,nonetheless,these efforts haven't gone in vain.atleast it helps ignorant muslims to know about qadianis and help them protect their faith in islam. salam tahir sahab n rationalist
tahir sahab y did mirza sahab’s friend say that?what could be the possible reason?
was he trying to prove mirza bith year as 1835?

rationalist
never get disappointed.for the kind of efforts you guys do ,suppose if it does not convert a single qadiani,nonetheless,these efforts haven’t gone in vain.atleast it helps ignorant muslims to know about qadianis and help them protect their faith in islam.

]]> By: Tahir Hussain http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/comment-page-1/#comment-13931 Tahir Hussain Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:16:18 +0000 http://thecult.info/blog/?p=151#comment-13931 No, the reason they convert 13th of Feb to the Hindi calendar is because they say a friend of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Mr Mufti claims in his book that MGA said to him he was born in the Hindi month Phalgun and at the same time it was Friday (Juma) of the Islamic month. So when they convert 13th of Feb 1835 to the Hindi calendar they claim it equals Phalgun. If you convert 2009 or 2010 of 13th Feb (as in the past few years) it does equal Phalgun. BUT if you convert 13th Feb IN THE YEAR 1835 (the year they claim he was born) it does NOT equal Phalgun, it equals Magha, the month before. Therefore when Mr Mufti says he was born in Phalgun it cannot be in 1835 (when the same day is Juma in the Islamic calendar). No, the reason they convert 13th of Feb to the Hindi calendar is because they say a friend of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Mr Mufti claims in his book that MGA said to him he was born in the Hindi month Phalgun and at the same time it was Friday (Juma) of the Islamic month. So when they convert 13th of Feb 1835 to the Hindi calendar they claim it equals Phalgun. If you convert 2009 or 2010 of 13th Feb (as in the past few years) it does equal Phalgun. BUT if you convert 13th Feb IN THE YEAR 1835 (the year they claim he was born) it does NOT equal Phalgun, it equals Magha, the month before. Therefore when Mr Mufti says he was born in Phalgun it cannot be in 1835 (when the same day is Juma in the Islamic calendar).

]]> By: rationalist http://thecult.info/blog/2009/02/23/the-age-of-my-demise/comment-page-1/#comment-13928 rationalist Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:34:28 +0000 http://thecult.info/blog/?p=151#comment-13928 It doesnt matter what we show the ahmadis, they will continue to worship this corrupt family. It doesnt matter what we show the ahmadis, they will continue to worship this corrupt family.

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