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		<title>By: trueMassihi</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/01/06/indeed-the-prophets-have-passed-away/comment-page-1/#comment-4321</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 08:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So according to your beliefe who is............

5: 3:50  وَاُبْرِئُ الْاَكْمَهَ وَالْاَبْرَصَ Essa bin Maryam use to heal the blind and leprous as a sign from Allah.  How many blaind and leprous Prophet SAW heald in his life time? So according to your beliefe who is..............

6:  He would make the dead alive with the command of Allah 3:50      وَاُحْىِ الْمَوْتٰى بِاِذْنِ اللّٰهِ‌ۚ  How many dead were quickened by the Prophet SAW.  So according to your beliefe who is..............

7:  Essa bin Maryam, according to your belief knew the unseen 3:50
وَ اُنَبِّئُكُمْ بِمَا تَاْكُلُوْنَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُوْنَۙ فِىْ بُيُوْتِكُمْ‌ؕ   The Prophet SAW says 6:51  وَلَاۤ اَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ and I know not the unseen.
  So according to your beliefe who is..............

To be continued (Insha Allah)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So according to your beliefe who is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>5: 3:50  وَاُبْرِئُ الْاَكْمَهَ وَالْاَبْرَصَ Essa bin Maryam use to heal the blind and leprous as a sign from Allah.  How many blaind and leprous Prophet SAW heald in his life time? So according to your beliefe who is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>6:  He would make the dead alive with the command of Allah 3:50      وَاُحْىِ الْمَوْتٰى بِاِذْنِ اللّٰهِ‌ۚ  How many dead were quickened by the Prophet SAW.  So according to your beliefe who is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>7:  Essa bin Maryam, according to your belief knew the unseen 3:50<br />
وَ اُنَبِّئُكُمْ بِمَا تَاْكُلُوْنَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُوْنَۙ فِىْ بُيُوْتِكُمْ‌ؕ   The Prophet SAW says 6:51  وَلَاۤ اَعْلَمُ الْغَيْبَ and I know not the unseen.<br />
  So according to your beliefe who is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>To be continued (Insha Allah)</p>
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		<title>By: trueMassihi</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/01/06/indeed-the-prophets-have-passed-away/comment-page-1/#comment-4314</link>
		<dc:creator>trueMassihi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 05:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peace to all who love peace

Some time I wonder who are these people?  Lovers of the Prophet Muhammad SAW or the lovers of the Essa bin Maryam AS. Dafinatly the Lovers of Essa bin Maryam AS.  Why?  I can prove it by their own book The holy Qura&#039;n.  They realy beleive in the superiority of Essa bin Maryam after all He will be the one who is still alive and will come back form heaven and will deliver them from the satanic forces or in other words Dajjal. Their hearts are full with love of Essa bin Maryam but their tounges or pen can not show it beacause thay have a lable of MUSLIM on their forhead and are scared that their own FATWA of Qatl-e- Murtad will apply on them.
let us see how they give superiority to Essa bin Maryam over Prophet Muhammad SAW they calaim they love the most.

1:  You see on the top that according to their believe Muhammad SAW passed away and burried in Madina but Essa AS was saved by Allah and taken away to heaven in flesh and bone (3:145).  So who is superior?

2:  They believe that Essa AS was given Prophethood even when He was in tha lap of his mother on the other hand Muhammad SAW was given Prophethood at the age of fourty (3:47). Who is.............

3:  They believe that Essa AS created birds out of clay(3:50) and Muhammad SAW never made any thing like that. So who is........

4:  According to their believe Essa bin Maryam was the only Kalima Tullah (4:172) 

To be continued</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace to all who love peace</p>
<p>Some time I wonder who are these people?  Lovers of the Prophet Muhammad SAW or the lovers of the Essa bin Maryam AS. Dafinatly the Lovers of Essa bin Maryam AS.  Why?  I can prove it by their own book The holy Qura&#8217;n.  They realy beleive in the superiority of Essa bin Maryam after all He will be the one who is still alive and will come back form heaven and will deliver them from the satanic forces or in other words Dajjal. Their hearts are full with love of Essa bin Maryam but their tounges or pen can not show it beacause thay have a lable of MUSLIM on their forhead and are scared that their own FATWA of Qatl-e- Murtad will apply on them.<br />
let us see how they give superiority to Essa bin Maryam over Prophet Muhammad SAW they calaim they love the most.</p>
<p>1:  You see on the top that according to their believe Muhammad SAW passed away and burried in Madina but Essa AS was saved by Allah and taken away to heaven in flesh and bone (3:145).  So who is superior?</p>
<p>2:  They believe that Essa AS was given Prophethood even when He was in tha lap of his mother on the other hand Muhammad SAW was given Prophethood at the age of fourty (3:47). Who is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>3:  They believe that Essa AS created birds out of clay(3:50) and Muhammad SAW never made any thing like that. So who is&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>4:  According to their believe Essa bin Maryam was the only Kalima Tullah (4:172) </p>
<p>To be continued</p>
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		<title>By: newobserver</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/01/06/indeed-the-prophets-have-passed-away/comment-page-1/#comment-3095</link>
		<dc:creator>newobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is what I am saying, the reference clearly uses the word &quot;Al&quot; &quot;Nabiyyin&quot; so by your logic, it means all the prophets. So you want to say Bani Isreal killed all of the prophets? Like prophet Adam, like Jesus?

&quot;Al&quot; in Arabic basically means &#039;the&#039;. Just like &quot;Al kitab&quot; means &quot;The Book&quot; and &quot;Al kutub&quot; means &quot;The Books&quot; and not all books.

Please re-read your post and my post and then reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is what I am saying, the reference clearly uses the word &#8220;Al&#8221; &#8220;Nabiyyin&#8221; so by your logic, it means all the prophets. So you want to say Bani Isreal killed all of the prophets? Like prophet Adam, like Jesus?</p>
<p>&#8220;Al&#8221; in Arabic basically means &#8216;the&#8217;. Just like &#8220;Al kitab&#8221; means &#8220;The Book&#8221; and &#8220;Al kutub&#8221; means &#8220;The Books&#8221; and not all books.</p>
<p>Please re-read your post and my post and then reply.</p>
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		<title>By: IJKBaluch</title>
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		<dc:creator>IJKBaluch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>وَبَآءُوْ بِغَضَبٍ مِّنَ اللّٰهِ‌ؕ ذٰلِكَ بِاَنَّهُمْ كَانُوْا يَكْفُرُوْنَ بِاٰيٰتِ اللّٰهِ وَيَقْتُلُوْنَ النَّبِيّٖنَ بِغَيْرِ
الْحَـقِّ‌ؕ
 

that was because they rejected the Signs of Allah and would kill the PROPHETS unjustly;

Here is ref clearly saying Wayaqtaloonan Nabiyeena.

Plz explain &amp; prove you&#039;re Arabic if you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>وَبَآءُوْ بِغَضَبٍ مِّنَ اللّٰهِ‌ؕ ذٰلِكَ بِاَنَّهُمْ كَانُوْا يَكْفُرُوْنَ بِاٰيٰتِ اللّٰهِ وَيَقْتُلُوْنَ النَّبِيّٖنَ بِغَيْرِ<br />
الْحَـقِّ‌ؕ</p>
<p>that was because they rejected the Signs of Allah and would kill the PROPHETS unjustly;</p>
<p>Here is ref clearly saying Wayaqtaloonan Nabiyeena.</p>
<p>Plz explain &amp; prove you&#8217;re Arabic if you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Newobserver</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/01/06/indeed-the-prophets-have-passed-away/comment-page-1/#comment-2848</link>
		<dc:creator>Newobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear IJK

It was very interesting to read your scholarly Arabic. I really find it difficult to keep pace when you write so long messages and then suddenly run away. Just to comment on your incorrect understanding of Artabic I will discuss one of your comments. 

You said that Al means &#039;all&#039; and therefore, &#039;al hamd&#039; means all praise. Obviously, it shows profound ignorance because if &#039;al&#039; means &#039;all&#039; then when Quran talks about bani Israel that they killed &#039;al anbia&#039; it would mean they killed all the prophets. 

I think no further comment is needed, however, you also did not know that it is Mirzai belief that Moses ah is not dead and he is alicve in Heaven in comparison to Jesus who In your belief is dead. So your complete post becomes useless and a bunch of lies when true beliefs of your cult are analyzed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear IJK</p>
<p>It was very interesting to read your scholarly Arabic. I really find it difficult to keep pace when you write so long messages and then suddenly run away. Just to comment on your incorrect understanding of Artabic I will discuss one of your comments. </p>
<p>You said that Al means &#8216;all&#8217; and therefore, &#8216;al hamd&#8217; means all praise. Obviously, it shows profound ignorance because if &#8216;al&#8217; means &#8216;all&#8217; then when Quran talks about bani Israel that they killed &#8216;al anbia&#8217; it would mean they killed all the prophets. </p>
<p>I think no further comment is needed, however, you also did not know that it is Mirzai belief that Moses ah is not dead and he is alicve in Heaven in comparison to Jesus who In your belief is dead. So your complete post becomes useless and a bunch of lies when true beliefs of your cult are analyzed.</p>
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		<title>By: IJKBluch</title>
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		<dc:creator>IJKBluch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FARHAN.

What&#039;s the matter. Why its taking you so long to reply.

Come on rely or concedd loke a gentleman.

IJKBaluch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FARHAN.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the matter. Why its taking you so long to reply.</p>
<p>Come on rely or concedd loke a gentleman.</p>
<p>IJKBaluch.</p>
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		<title>By: IJKBaluch</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/01/06/indeed-the-prophets-have-passed-away/comment-page-1/#comment-1305</link>
		<dc:creator>IJKBaluch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faran,

1. You have admitted that Khalat (خَلَتْ) means “Pass Away” as quoted. Now lets analyze the issue little deeper. The fact is that in Arabic the word Khalat (خَلَتْ), In English the word “Pass away” &amp; even in Urdu the Word “Guzar Jana” means almost the same. And in all of these languages it means only &amp; only passing away in the sense of death UNLESS there is some other criteria of passing away is not explicitly mentioned. For example, if someone say that “Bush Passed Away” then meaning will be that he had died. But if it is said that “While passing away in front of crowd Bush shake his hand”. Since in this case a criterion of passing away is mentioned hence it will be understood according to these criteria. Can you present just single example of the word Khalat (خَلَتْ), or “Pass Away” or “Guzar Jana” is used without any criteria and it means anything other than “Death” or &quot;Passing Away from this world as a result of Death&quot;?

 
2: [Quote] There are other problems with this translation, specifically the inclusion of the word All (كل), as in All Messengers before him have passed away, when the word All does not exist in the Arabic text of the verse. [Unquote]

 
3. Alif Laam in Arabic when attached to any word make in Special &amp; SPECIFIC. It is like “THE” in English language. For example “AL” before word “Kitab” makes it ONE specific book i.e. Qur’an &amp; one can not take it as merely any book. Similarly, “AL” before the word “HAMD” make it specific to mean that every possible Praise or ALL PRAISE. Can anyone take the word “AL-HAMD” as some Praise or little Praise? Everyone knows that even said or not the meaning of “ALL” is built-in in “Al-Hamad”. Even a non-Ahmadi scholar Shakir has translated “Al-Hamad” as “All praise”.

Now we analyze verse by verse,

This word is used in dozen of verses and its meaning are different according to situation &amp; fact that verse is describing.
 3-145 which says,
And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels?
That all prophets before Muhammad (saw) have passed away or died because ahead this verse is clearly telling us about the possible slain or death of Prophet Muhammad (saw). Here similarity in death is described. Therefore, these meaning are absolutely correct according to its situation.

Secondly in this verse after Khalat Arabic word الرُّسُلُ is used which is plural means all prophets therefore, your claim is totally bogus.

Now we take second verse you referred 
{05-075}
The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely, Messengers like unto him had indeed passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away. 
It says all prophets before Messiah (as) have passed away and He along with her mother Marryam used to eat food which mean they booth had died. Like all others prophets of Allah who have died similarly Messiah &amp; Her Mother have also died because it is said that before their death they booth used to (in past tense) take food.
The last line of this verse is enough to open the eyes that how our lord is explaining us but !Alas how you people are to turn away from truth. 

Lt’s discuss verse,
{003-138} 

Surely, there have been many dispensations before you; so travel through the earth and see how evil was the end of those who treated the Prophets as liars.

I was surprised at your comments as why don&#039;t they take meaning of dispensations {Sunnah of Allah} has died.
 
In this verse Allah is telling about such people’s evil end &amp; which is accrued after death of such people who called their times prophets as liar &amp; warning that same will be the end (death) of those people who have called Muhammad (saw) a liar. 
Therefore, fear from the hold &amp; punishment of Allah by calling Messiah Maud (as) a liar &amp; be ware of consequence.

Then you referred,

[2:15] 
And when they meet those who believe, they say: ‘We believe;’ but when they are alone with their ringleaders, they say: ‘We are certainly with you; we are only mocking.’

Here Allah is telling about the nature of Hippocrates that in present of believers they says that they are believer but when they go back to their ringleaders they  says that they were just mocking with believers.
Here Khalao is used to indict their different behavior that in presence what they claim &amp; when they pass away or go back to their ringleader’s changes their stance. 

Those who are calling Messiah Maud (as) liar must remember this law of Allah which never changes for anyone irrespective of their so called love &amp; obedience of Allah &amp; His Prophet Muhammad 9saw)

Therefore, your entire claim is baseless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faran,</p>
<p>1. You have admitted that Khalat (خَلَتْ) means “Pass Away” as quoted. Now lets analyze the issue little deeper. The fact is that in Arabic the word Khalat (خَلَتْ), In English the word “Pass away” &amp; even in Urdu the Word “Guzar Jana” means almost the same. And in all of these languages it means only &amp; only passing away in the sense of death UNLESS there is some other criteria of passing away is not explicitly mentioned. For example, if someone say that “Bush Passed Away” then meaning will be that he had died. But if it is said that “While passing away in front of crowd Bush shake his hand”. Since in this case a criterion of passing away is mentioned hence it will be understood according to these criteria. Can you present just single example of the word Khalat (خَلَتْ), or “Pass Away” or “Guzar Jana” is used without any criteria and it means anything other than “Death” or &#8220;Passing Away from this world as a result of Death&#8221;?</p>
<p>2: [Quote] There are other problems with this translation, specifically the inclusion of the word All (كل), as in All Messengers before him have passed away, when the word All does not exist in the Arabic text of the verse. [Unquote]</p>
<p>3. Alif Laam in Arabic when attached to any word make in Special &amp; SPECIFIC. It is like “THE” in English language. For example “AL” before word “Kitab” makes it ONE specific book i.e. Qur’an &amp; one can not take it as merely any book. Similarly, “AL” before the word “HAMD” make it specific to mean that every possible Praise or ALL PRAISE. Can anyone take the word “AL-HAMD” as some Praise or little Praise? Everyone knows that even said or not the meaning of “ALL” is built-in in “Al-Hamad”. Even a non-Ahmadi scholar Shakir has translated “Al-Hamad” as “All praise”.</p>
<p>Now we analyze verse by verse,</p>
<p>This word is used in dozen of verses and its meaning are different according to situation &amp; fact that verse is describing.<br />
 3-145 which says,<br />
And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels?<br />
That all prophets before Muhammad (saw) have passed away or died because ahead this verse is clearly telling us about the possible slain or death of Prophet Muhammad (saw). Here similarity in death is described. Therefore, these meaning are absolutely correct according to its situation.</p>
<p>Secondly in this verse after Khalat Arabic word الرُّسُلُ is used which is plural means all prophets therefore, your claim is totally bogus.</p>
<p>Now we take second verse you referred<br />
{05-075}<br />
The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely, Messengers like unto him had indeed passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away.<br />
It says all prophets before Messiah (as) have passed away and He along with her mother Marryam used to eat food which mean they booth had died. Like all others prophets of Allah who have died similarly Messiah &amp; Her Mother have also died because it is said that before their death they booth used to (in past tense) take food.<br />
The last line of this verse is enough to open the eyes that how our lord is explaining us but !Alas how you people are to turn away from truth. </p>
<p>Lt’s discuss verse,<br />
{003-138} </p>
<p>Surely, there have been many dispensations before you; so travel through the earth and see how evil was the end of those who treated the Prophets as liars.</p>
<p>I was surprised at your comments as why don&#8217;t they take meaning of dispensations {Sunnah of Allah} has died.</p>
<p>In this verse Allah is telling about such people’s evil end &amp; which is accrued after death of such people who called their times prophets as liar &amp; warning that same will be the end (death) of those people who have called Muhammad (saw) a liar.<br />
Therefore, fear from the hold &amp; punishment of Allah by calling Messiah Maud (as) a liar &amp; be ware of consequence.</p>
<p>Then you referred,</p>
<p>[2:15]<br />
And when they meet those who believe, they say: ‘We believe;’ but when they are alone with their ringleaders, they say: ‘We are certainly with you; we are only mocking.’</p>
<p>Here Allah is telling about the nature of Hippocrates that in present of believers they says that they are believer but when they go back to their ringleaders they  says that they were just mocking with believers.<br />
Here Khalao is used to indict their different behavior that in presence what they claim &amp; when they pass away or go back to their ringleader’s changes their stance. </p>
<p>Those who are calling Messiah Maud (as) liar must remember this law of Allah which never changes for anyone irrespective of their so called love &amp; obedience of Allah &amp; His Prophet Muhammad 9saw)</p>
<p>Therefore, your entire claim is baseless.</p>
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		<title>By: Gohar</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/01/06/indeed-the-prophets-have-passed-away/comment-page-1/#comment-970</link>
		<dc:creator>Gohar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite what the above readers have said, I think this was an excellent article.  Has fully answered the issue as relates to this particular verse for me, alhamdullilah.  I think the above readers do not seem to understand that you are not claiming to be refuting the entire Jesus is alive concept with this one article, but rather the use of this verse to argue for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite what the above readers have said, I think this was an excellent article.  Has fully answered the issue as relates to this particular verse for me, alhamdullilah.  I think the above readers do not seem to understand that you are not claiming to be refuting the entire Jesus is alive concept with this one article, but rather the use of this verse to argue for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Samer</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/01/06/indeed-the-prophets-have-passed-away/comment-page-1/#comment-955</link>
		<dc:creator>Samer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother, Alhamdulillah, I am a Muslim, I have never been an Ahmadi.
 
(1) You said (this verse same verse is used by the Muslims to argue that he did not die) but you did not give a single example about any Muslim scholar who included this verse in his proofs that Essa (pbbuh) is still alive. Please give a single example or correct your above-mentioned claim.

(2) Your question (So, who are you going to follow? The earliest Muslims during the time of Islamic purity or a self-declared prophet?).

You are again giving the impression that all earliest Muslims believed that Essa (as) is still alive. Brother, I have asked you few months ago to give a single example from Quran or authentic Sunnah which mention that Essa (as) is still alive! You will never find such reference which means that this belief is not one of basic Islamic beliefs at all. It is just an Ijtihhad or interpretation by some respected Muslim scholars.

(3) Please correct your information brother. Imam Malik had actually said that Essa (pbbuh) had died and will return back before the day of Judgment. Please refer to “AL-IKMAAL” vol 1 p 445. You may also refer to “BIHAR AL ANWAR” vol 1 p 387.

Also, the famous companion of Rasulullah,  ibn Abbas (ra), had said that “Mutawaffeeka” means “I will cause your death”. Please refer to Tafseer ibn Katheer vol 1 p466. Also refer to Sahih Al-Bukhari which quotes the same saying of ibn Abbas (ra) without any comment, which means that Bukhari believes the same.

Of course Ibn Abbas, Imam Malik, Al Bukhari and Ibn Hazm also believed that although he had died, Essa (pbbuh) himself will be alive again before the Day of Judgement as per the authentic Hadeeths.

(4 When you refer to the meaning of KHALA in lexicons/dictionaries, you should check its use when connected to humanbeing. Here is an example from ALGHANI lexicons/dictionaries, which shows(KHALA arrajul, means the man has died)

http://lexicons.sakhr.com/openme.asp?fileurl=/html/3089804.html

(5) You said (if Esa bin Maryam (AS) died, and its SOOO foundational to Islam, why didn’t Allah use a clear word with no ambiguity, such as mawt)
First, we Muslims should not ask Allah (SWT) about the reason why he had chosen certain words. 
Second, I reiterate there is no single reference in Quran or Sunnah which say that Essa (pbbuh) is still alive. Yes, there are references in Sunnah that he will come back again; but this is irrelevant since we Muslims believe that a humanbeing may return to life by a miracle of Allah (SWT). This had been done before through Essa (pbbuh), and later Essa (pbbuh) himself will come back through another miracle.

Third, I have never said that it is SOOO foundational to Islam that Essa (pbbuh) had died; but you are the one who is trying to prove that its SOOO foundational to Islam that Essa (pbbuh) is still alive!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother, Alhamdulillah, I am a Muslim, I have never been an Ahmadi.</p>
<p>(1) You said (this verse same verse is used by the Muslims to argue that he did not die) but you did not give a single example about any Muslim scholar who included this verse in his proofs that Essa (pbbuh) is still alive. Please give a single example or correct your above-mentioned claim.</p>
<p>(2) Your question (So, who are you going to follow? The earliest Muslims during the time of Islamic purity or a self-declared prophet?).</p>
<p>You are again giving the impression that all earliest Muslims believed that Essa (as) is still alive. Brother, I have asked you few months ago to give a single example from Quran or authentic Sunnah which mention that Essa (as) is still alive! You will never find such reference which means that this belief is not one of basic Islamic beliefs at all. It is just an Ijtihhad or interpretation by some respected Muslim scholars.</p>
<p>(3) Please correct your information brother. Imam Malik had actually said that Essa (pbbuh) had died and will return back before the day of Judgment. Please refer to “AL-IKMAAL” vol 1 p 445. You may also refer to “BIHAR AL ANWAR” vol 1 p 387.</p>
<p>Also, the famous companion of Rasulullah,  ibn Abbas (ra), had said that “Mutawaffeeka” means “I will cause your death”. Please refer to Tafseer ibn Katheer vol 1 p466. Also refer to Sahih Al-Bukhari which quotes the same saying of ibn Abbas (ra) without any comment, which means that Bukhari believes the same.</p>
<p>Of course Ibn Abbas, Imam Malik, Al Bukhari and Ibn Hazm also believed that although he had died, Essa (pbbuh) himself will be alive again before the Day of Judgement as per the authentic Hadeeths.</p>
<p>(4 When you refer to the meaning of KHALA in lexicons/dictionaries, you should check its use when connected to humanbeing. Here is an example from ALGHANI lexicons/dictionaries, which shows(KHALA arrajul, means the man has died)</p>
<p><a href="http://lexicons.sakhr.com/openme.asp?fileurl=/html/3089804.html" rel="nofollow">http://lexicons.sakhr.com/openme.asp?fileurl=/html/3089804.html</a></p>
<p>(5) You said (if Esa bin Maryam (AS) died, and its SOOO foundational to Islam, why didn’t Allah use a clear word with no ambiguity, such as mawt)<br />
First, we Muslims should not ask Allah (SWT) about the reason why he had chosen certain words.<br />
Second, I reiterate there is no single reference in Quran or Sunnah which say that Essa (pbbuh) is still alive. Yes, there are references in Sunnah that he will come back again; but this is irrelevant since we Muslims believe that a humanbeing may return to life by a miracle of Allah (SWT). This had been done before through Essa (pbbuh), and later Essa (pbbuh) himself will come back through another miracle.</p>
<p>Third, I have never said that it is SOOO foundational to Islam that Essa (pbbuh) had died; but you are the one who is trying to prove that its SOOO foundational to Islam that Essa (pbbuh) is still alive!</p>
<p>peace</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2009/01/06/indeed-the-prophets-have-passed-away/comment-page-1/#comment-942</link>
		<dc:creator>Farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, if you give credibility to classical lexicons/dictionaries, what do you say about this:

http://thecult.info/blog/2008/11/27/the-meaning-of-خاتم-khaatam-in-lexiconsdictionaries/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, if you give credibility to classical lexicons/dictionaries, what do you say about this:</p>
<p><a href="http://thecult.info/blog/2008/11/27/the-meaning-of-خاتم-khaatam-in-lexiconsdictionaries/" rel="nofollow">http://thecult.info/blog/2008/11/27/the-meaning-of-خاتم-khaatam-in-lexiconsdictionaries/</a></p>
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