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	<description>&#34;Love for Tyranny, Hatred for Muslims&#34;</description>
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		<title>By: Peace</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/11/24/was-mirza-persian/comment-page-1/#comment-11867</link>
		<dc:creator>Peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farhan Khan,
No matter whether we are using European thought or not but the truth cannot be broken that the Promised Messiah was indeed the descendent of the Persians (in terms of genetics), our thought system cannot make some 100% german or 100% Hindi no matter how far back in generations we go!

May Allah guide you! Ameen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farhan Khan,<br />
No matter whether we are using European thought or not but the truth cannot be broken that the Promised Messiah was indeed the descendent of the Persians (in terms of genetics), our thought system cannot make some 100% german or 100% Hindi no matter how far back in generations we go!</p>
<p>May Allah guide you! Ameen</p>
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		<title>By: profitprophet</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/11/24/was-mirza-persian/comment-page-1/#comment-3052</link>
		<dc:creator>profitprophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol akbar

Your Mirza claimed to be Persian and Chinese both. Your Khalifa are nothing more than puppet. They may be called Qadiani leaders at best. They have no power or authority to rule you by law of Allah[SWT]. Rather your leader is also bound by law of the land. If he go against the law of UK he&#039;ll be punished by Victoria ;). What kind of Khalifa he is? Are you sure this is kind of Khilafat Prophet Muhammed told us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol akbar</p>
<p>Your Mirza claimed to be Persian and Chinese both. Your Khalifa are nothing more than puppet. They may be called Qadiani leaders at best. They have no power or authority to rule you by law of Allah[SWT]. Rather your leader is also bound by law of the land. If he go against the law of UK he&#8217;ll be punished by Victoria <img src='http://thecult.info/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> . What kind of Khalifa he is? Are you sure this is kind of Khilafat Prophet Muhammed told us?</p>
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		<title>By: akbar</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/11/24/was-mirza-persian/comment-page-1/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>akbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>salaam..
the matter here is very difficult. some believes Al-Mahdi must be descended from Persian, and some trying to prove it was.

This argument is being argued for too long until we forgot the other many hadiths that is more utmost than this genealogy matter.

So for those who believe Al-Mahdi is a Persian, they may have to wait..Wait until there is one or you can check on Bahaullah(he claimed prophethood and he is Persian)Just click Bahaullah and you will find one. I hope you will thanked me.-OR

You stick to the hadith In the famous book of Ahadith, Musnad Ahmad by Imam Ahmad bin Hambal, there is one prophetic Hadith narrated by Hadhrat Huzaifa (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be on him.) said: 

“Prophethood will remain among you as long as Allah wills. Then khilafat on the lines of Prophethood shall commence, and remain as long as Allah wills. Then corrupt/erosive monarchy would take place, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. After that, despotic kingship would emerge, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. Then, the khilafat shall come once again based on the precept of Prophethood.” 

Imam is a must rather than quarrel about others. Unite under one khalifah is better for Muslim. Just look for the Jemaat who has their Imam(Khalifah) or rest for whole life in a forest till you death..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>salaam..<br />
the matter here is very difficult. some believes Al-Mahdi must be descended from Persian, and some trying to prove it was.</p>
<p>This argument is being argued for too long until we forgot the other many hadiths that is more utmost than this genealogy matter.</p>
<p>So for those who believe Al-Mahdi is a Persian, they may have to wait..Wait until there is one or you can check on Bahaullah(he claimed prophethood and he is Persian)Just click Bahaullah and you will find one. I hope you will thanked me.-OR</p>
<p>You stick to the hadith In the famous book of Ahadith, Musnad Ahmad by Imam Ahmad bin Hambal, there is one prophetic Hadith narrated by Hadhrat Huzaifa (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be on him.) said: </p>
<p>“Prophethood will remain among you as long as Allah wills. Then khilafat on the lines of Prophethood shall commence, and remain as long as Allah wills. Then corrupt/erosive monarchy would take place, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. After that, despotic kingship would emerge, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. Then, the khilafat shall come once again based on the precept of Prophethood.” </p>
<p>Imam is a must rather than quarrel about others. Unite under one khalifah is better for Muslim. Just look for the Jemaat who has their Imam(Khalifah) or rest for whole life in a forest till you death..</p>
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		<title>By: SearchingForTruth</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/11/24/was-mirza-persian/comment-page-1/#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>SearchingForTruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mirza writes in his book Kitab-ul-Barriyah page 162 (pdf 164 of 368) 

&quot;My biography is as such that my name is Mirza Ghulam Ahamd, my father&#039;s name is Ghulam Murztaza, grand father&#039;s name is Ata Muhammad and my great grand father&#039;s name was Gul Muhammad. As it has been stated that our tribe (Qaum/Zaat) is Mughal Barlas. And from my families old document which are still present my ancestors migrated from Samarkand&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mirza writes in his book Kitab-ul-Barriyah page 162 (pdf 164 of 368) </p>
<p>&#8220;My biography is as such that my name is Mirza Ghulam Ahamd, my father&#8217;s name is Ghulam Murztaza, grand father&#8217;s name is Ata Muhammad and my great grand father&#8217;s name was Gul Muhammad. As it has been stated that our tribe (Qaum/Zaat) is Mughal Barlas. And from my families old document which are still present my ancestors migrated from Samarkand&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan Khan</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/11/24/was-mirza-persian/comment-page-1/#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator>Farhan Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why you keep repeating the same point, despite my earlier objection.

You are looking at this from the perspective of &quot;Ahmadiyya is right, let me see how I can reinterpret the Sunnah to confirm.&quot;

I sincerely mean this, May Allah guide you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you keep repeating the same point, despite my earlier objection.</p>
<p>You are looking at this from the perspective of &#8220;Ahmadiyya is right, let me see how I can reinterpret the Sunnah to confirm.&#8221;</p>
<p>I sincerely mean this, May Allah guide you.</p>
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		<title>By: islam976</title>
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		<dc:creator>islam976</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mughal Emperors were of Turko-Mongol, and later Rajput and Persian, descent, and developed a highly sophisticated mixed Indo-Persian culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mughal Emperors were of Turko-Mongol, and later Rajput and Persian, descent, and developed a highly sophisticated mixed Indo-Persian culture.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire</a></p>
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		<title>By: Farhan Khan</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/11/24/was-mirza-persian/comment-page-1/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Farhan Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Islam976, Again, you are working in the European paradigm.

By our Islamic definition, he was 100% Hindi (language, culture, place of birth, place of death, family, etc).  The Persians are the people from Persia.  He was an Indian.

(And, wasn&#039;t it Timur Lang with a G?  I love Turkish culture)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Islam976, Again, you are working in the European paradigm.</p>
<p>By our Islamic definition, he was 100% Hindi (language, culture, place of birth, place of death, family, etc).  The Persians are the people from Persia.  He was an Indian.</p>
<p>(And, wasn&#8217;t it Timur Lang with a G?  I love Turkish culture)</p>
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		<title>By: Shahid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shahid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Islam976: His name was Ghulam Ahmad, and he signed himself as that, so thanks for the clarification. We can&#039;t in all honesty call him Ahmad by your own argument though, can we?

After all, there are people in the subcontinent called &quot;Ghulam Allah&quot;. Would it be OK by you to call them &quot;Allah&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Islam976: His name was Ghulam Ahmad, and he signed himself as that, so thanks for the clarification. We can&#8217;t in all honesty call him Ahmad by your own argument though, can we?</p>
<p>After all, there are people in the subcontinent called &#8220;Ghulam Allah&#8221;. Would it be OK by you to call them &#8220;Allah&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: islam976</title>
		<link>http://thecult.info/blog/2008/11/24/was-mirza-persian/comment-page-1/#comment-735</link>
		<dc:creator>islam976</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be Ghulam Ahmad, not Ghulam alone. Just like a person who cares for the correct usage of Arabic will dislike the use of &quot;Abdul&quot; instead of full name &quot;Abdullah&quot;, the use of word Ghulam on its own is not proper. Either call him Ghulam Ahmad or Ahmad. 

Also, in India of those days, Mughals were a distinct race. They were referred to as Turks and were the direct descendants of Taimur (Tamerlane). Taimur referred to himself as a Turk and had links to the Mongols from his maternal side. This tribe gave rise to what is known as the Persian mughals. Or mughals who spoke persian and followed the persian cultural practices after their settlement in the Persian region. The fact is, that Mughals during the Mughal empire were never referred to as Hindustanis but of Turkic/Persian stock. This was made abundantly clear in the writings of that era. Even the British who executed the princes in Red Fort in 1857 knew that they were killing the remnants of the house of Tamerlane (as quoted in &quot;the last Mughal&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be Ghulam Ahmad, not Ghulam alone. Just like a person who cares for the correct usage of Arabic will dislike the use of &#8220;Abdul&#8221; instead of full name &#8220;Abdullah&#8221;, the use of word Ghulam on its own is not proper. Either call him Ghulam Ahmad or Ahmad. </p>
<p>Also, in India of those days, Mughals were a distinct race. They were referred to as Turks and were the direct descendants of Taimur (Tamerlane). Taimur referred to himself as a Turk and had links to the Mongols from his maternal side. This tribe gave rise to what is known as the Persian mughals. Or mughals who spoke persian and followed the persian cultural practices after their settlement in the Persian region. The fact is, that Mughals during the Mughal empire were never referred to as Hindustanis but of Turkic/Persian stock. This was made abundantly clear in the writings of that era. Even the British who executed the princes in Red Fort in 1857 knew that they were killing the remnants of the house of Tamerlane (as quoted in &#8220;the last Mughal&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farhan Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eek!  I had mentioned Salman al-Farisi, deleted that paragraph, and forgot to put it back in.  np.

But, the argument still stands.  MGA was not Persian, he was Indian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eek!  I had mentioned Salman al-Farisi, deleted that paragraph, and forgot to put it back in.  np.</p>
<p>But, the argument still stands.  MGA was not Persian, he was Indian.</p>
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