Masroor & His Islamophobe Buddy

If you ever wanted to see in a single picture why Ahmadiyya is not Islam, here it is.
Bishop of Rochester and Head of Ahmadiyya

To see the details of this event, yet another miserable, but ultimately fruitless attempt by the governmentof Britain and the Qadianis to sow falsehood and division in the ranks of the Ummah, something that the divide-and-rule merchants have been trying to do since the heydey of the British Empire (a tactic now brilliantly exploited by other fascists around the world), you might want to look at this PDF press release by the Qadianis.

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35 thoughts on “Masroor & His Islamophobe Buddy

  1. One thing I’ve always been confused about…Ahmadis consider western civilization to be ad-Dajjal (I think), why are their leaders meetings with the heads of ad-Dajjal?

    • There is also a belief / interpretation that there will be a spiritual awaking in the West. So even amongst a ‘Godless’ ( one could say) society , there will be those who seek enlightenment.

      • ….not claiming this particular priest is a likely candidate for enlightenment, but he does need to be put straight on particular views he has of Muslims in general.

  2. I don’t know about ‘Shahid”s post, but according to my knowledge of Islam, Islam is a universal religion and the word ‘Islam’ itself means ‘PEACE’. And to establish peace should one of the most important aspect muslims should be concerned about, since the Quran says that the ‘Muslims have been raised for the good of mankind’. Those who do follow Islamic teachings will not reject any of the verses of the Holy Quran.

    Thus by logical deduction, one can say that Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad (atba) is indeed a true Muslim and a follower of the Holy Prophet of Islam.

    Again refering to the Quran that Muslims have been raised for the good of mankind’, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community’s motto of ‘LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE’ shouldn’t be forgotten. Indeed Muslims are those that do follow such an overall Quranic exposition. Finally it is for Allah to judge, ‘He is the best of Judges’.

    As for people like ‘Shahid’, what can I say.

  3. What wrong with meeting Bishop who i know he is anti Islamic but to address his misconspections about Islam this meeting took place. Why do people make big deal out of this when your own so called leaders meet George Bush and other mass murderes.
    I don’t know what you think Mr Shahid Kamal. Allah knows best.

    • Yes he is anti-Islamic as you say, and so is Masroor. That’s why they’re shaking hands. Remember, Christian priests were referred to by Masroor’s great grandfather as the Dajjal. Why is Masroor shaking hands with Dajjal? Wake up Sohail, before it’s too late!

      • Shahid, are you saying that a ‘human’ to ‘human’ friendship cannot be formed, even if one parties beliefs are not formed? Did Prophet Muhammad(sa) not form peace treaties with non-muslims?
        The term you are judging ‘dajjal’ is based on your literal interpretations. A non-muslim remains a non-muslim, whether label them dajjal or not.
        Therefore stop being dishonest, Shahid. ‘Hadrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(atba)’ is indeed doing this for peace between communties as prophet Muhammad(sa) did.

        • “o ye who believe! take not the jews and christians as friends. they are friends one to another. and whoso among you takes them for friends indeed is one of them. verily allah guides not the unjust people (sher ali 5:52).” this is the ahmadi interpretation of 5:51, please explain…

          this interpretation of dajjal as christian missionaries is not shahid’s, it’s MGA’s. so he is actually shaking hands with ad-dajjal according to MGA.

        • No, I am using Mirza’s definition of Dajjal. Or don’t you know what your own prophet said?

          Khar-eDajjal (donkey of Dajjal) is the railway train, Dabbatul Ardh are Muslim Scholars (Ulema) and Dajjal are the Christian Priests etc.
          (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.365-366)

          • You may be saying with reference to Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) interpretation, but the way you are saying is that ‘Dajjal is Satan and Satan can’t reform’

            ‘Dajjal’ is refers to Western powers in general and there are other related meanings. But the point is that in terms of relationship of muslims to non- muslims, the relationship is the same for muslims to Dajjal. As I expalined before, a non-muslim is a non-muslim and so should be treated like one whether concerned with Dajjal or not. Simple. They are non-muslims, but maybe in the coming decades they may be the better muslims.

            the verse:
            “o ye who believe! take not the jews and christians as friends. they are friends one to another. and whoso among you takes them for friends indeed is one of them. verily allah guides not the unjust people (sher ali 5:52).”

            refers to those Jews and christians who are at war with them and who are always hatching plots against them.

            “Allah forbids you not respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you out of your homes, that you be kind to them and deal equitably with them; surely, Allah loves those who are equitable.” (60:9)

            Now, the verse should be self-explanatory that to be kind to non-muslims and muslims is a must for a muslim.

            Now first thing first Mr/Ms ‘muslim first’ I hope you have clearly understood.

            I hope you have ended your hatred for jews and christians that you presented with the verse (5:52) and at least allowed frendship between people, irrespective of religion.

            Love for All, Hatred for None.

  4. @admin

    we know the sum knowledge of islam the morons like “peace” and others possess. that is why they are unwanted at this forum. please make certain rules that morons like these should not invoke islamic titles for their dead or living heads.

    • I shall invoke Islamic titles to prophets and their Khulafa. If a christian said the same thing towards Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) (God forbid), how would you feel?

      Please respect those people which others consider to be prophets or Khulafa.

      Love for All, Hatred for None (the true message of Islam)

      • Oh god, the one thing that you answer to is titles What about all the questions that I have posed?

        This is a blog, not a speech that is being delivered to the masses.

        Ahmadiyyat has made your brain melt.

        • You have posed no question in this blog.

          And the main argumant in this blog has been proved, that Hadhart Mirza Masroor Ahmad(atba) is indeed follwoing the footsteps of the Holy Prophet(saw)

          • Masroor is following the footsteps of his lying great-grandfather. All that you have proven is that you are not using reason, but following your own vain desires. That is clear for all to see.

      • Nobody with an ounce of decency can respect Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani.

        “the true message of Islam” is not “love for all, hatred for none”. That is innovation and anti-Islamic.

        Iblis was one of the jinn. Do you love Iblis? Do you love that which Allah (SWT) despises?

      • @peace (may you rest in)

        you can take your “prophet” and his “khulafa” to mars or jupiter. nobody cares. but don’t you dare to invoke islamic titles for the kazzab and his disciples. you are either muslim or mirzai. you can’t be both. you have caused enough harm to muslims. we will not let you continue in your destructive acts. STOP.

        • Quote:
          “you are either muslim or mirzai.”

          same thing – you are either muslim or sunni or you are either muslim or shia and so on….

          QUOTE”you have caused enough harm to muslims. we will not let you continue in your destructive acts. ”

          Peace be with you, we as a community have never caused any harm to any muslims.

          Finally, as till our last breath, we will keep the name of Hadhrat Muhammad(SAW) as the highest, we will also never stop refering to Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(AS) as the prophet of God and servant of Muhammad(saw).

          • @peace (rest in)

            “same thing – you are either muslim or sunni or you are either muslim or shia and so on….”

            neither sunni nor any other muslim believe in yalash as god or mirza kazzab qaadiani as a “prophet.” i thought you knew that much. you have every right and freedom to take mirza kazzab as your “prophet” but he was no servant of our beloved and blessed Prophet. this is a smoke screen by mirzais to harm muslims. that is why you are unanimously rejected by them. shame upon you.

          • Quote: “neither sunni nor any other muslim believe”

            sects derive as a result of differences in belief – and so could be said….neither all sunni beliefs are entirely accepted by shia or niether hanafi views are accepted fully by maliki and so on.

            Do not divert your argument from this blog’s main point, that indeed ‘Love for All, Hatred for None’ is indeed the practice of true muslims as is of Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(atba)

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    • By using such titles for Islamophobes and the boot-lickers of colonialism, they make it clear that Mirzology is a separate religion that has nothing to do with Islam.

      • Quote:
        “following your own vain desires”

        Is the following verse was the basis for my argument? The following verse was the basis of my argument:

        “Allah forbids you not respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you out of your homes, that you be kind to them and deal equitably with them; surely, Allah loves those who are equitable.”

        Indeed the above verse indicates Love for all. Just because if people drive you out of your homes, doesn’t mean that you begin hating them – as there is no benefit to be gained from it, or e.g. if people persue acts of adultry, this doesn’t mean you hate them – you may hate their ill habits.

        Quote: “Masroor is following the footsteps of his lying great-grandfather.”

        As always happens, when there is no argument for this blog and that you know that you cannot beat the truth, you go astray into different arguments opening other arguments which also have no basis – or truth in them.

        At least you have agreed the Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(atba) is following the steps of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) which are of ‘Love for All, Hatred for None’.

        Quote ““the true message of Islam” is not “love for all, hatred for none”. That is innovation and anti-Islamic.”

        Oh, Islam which literally means ‘Peace’ has some aspects of hate.

        ‘Love for All, Hatred for None’ does and will be precieve to people to mean ‘humans’ – this is a bit of common sense. I mean if it applied to everything people would realise e.g. scrap, what sense is in loving scrap and rubbish.

        But to clarify, in one sense Muslims should love Allah’s creation and everything is indeed the creation of Allah – including all the Jinn. Therefore, one should love everything to the extent that it is the creation of Allah.

        Love for All, Hatred for None.

      • @shahid

        very well said brother. mirzalogy is NOT ISLAM. it is a religion totally subservient to british colonialists as written by its “prophet” mirza kazzab of qadian in more than two dozen of his pamphlets and books. no mirzai can pull wool over our eyes as to what they stand for.

  5. @peace

    it’s mr. muslim first

    i don’t hate jews and christians except for the sake of allah in sha allah. i don’t know much about this man specifically but people who are detrimental to islam should also be hated for the sake of allah. like people who fight you for your religion and drive you out of your homes.

  6. One should not show hatred to any religion for any reason.

    How can injury to Islam be caused? Allah has promised protection of the Holy Quran in the His book, so the question concerning the damage to Islam cannot be caused. What can be caused is muslims moving away from the religion which is happening these days. The british or other western law allows freedom of worship and so they cannot be accounted wholly for the decline morality in muslims these days – Muslims have a part to play. These it is more like the muslims driving muslims out of their homes rather than the west as much.

    You may be living in the western country which allows you to worship freely and so should thank them at least for that.

    I was not saying you hate jews, but the way you put is as if you did hate them using the verse(5:52) to rebut my argument of the good things that Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad(atba) was doing. Indeed the work of the Khalifa is to establish peace.

    Love for All, Hatred for None.

    • thanks for the correction, yes, nothing can stop islam. you know what i meant though.
      so it is not forbidden to respect those:
      1. who have not fought us because of our islam
      2. who have not driven us out of our homes
      so i can conclude that it is forbidden to respect those who have fought muslims because of their islam and driven muslims out of their homes.

      you are right about thanking the west for their services. there’s a great lecture on youtube by sheikh abu hamza called “how to live in australia as a muslim” which stresses the thanks we owe to our countries.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvQgalP3mA

    • Mirza Ghulam Ahmad referred to the Christian priests as dajjal. Here is his great-grandson shaking hands with MGA’s dajjal. Check-mate.

      • Do I have to repeat myself?

        dajjal was only a title for a specific non-muslims for a specific time. A non-muslim is a non-muslim whether you label them dajjal or not.
        take this as an example.
        There are two sets of people male and female (like muslims and non-muslims), all of whom are farmers(like humans). If one male becomes a scientist(like dajjal) – that doesn’t mean you treat them differently – it is against Islamic principles. And now once again, hopefully for the last time in this blog I present to you the verse:

        “Allah forbids you not respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you out of your homes, that you be kind to them and deal equitably with them; surely, Allah loves those who are equitable.” (60:9)

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        • are you saying the dajjal has been defeated? i don’t think this is the official stance of the jamaat.

          محمد رسول الله والذين معه أشداء على الكفار رحماء بينهم (fath:29)

          • From where did you think that I mentioned that dajjal is defeated? Nowhere did I mention it nor did I mean it.

            You quoted from Quran:

            “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those who are with him are hard against the disbelievers, tender among themselves.” (fath:30)

            Indeed the above verse cannot mean to refer to hatred of any sort against non-muslims if this was your intention to ask with the verse that you proposed. Indeed if this implied hatred, then it would be contradictory to the following verse I mentioned earlier:

            “Allah forbids you not respecting those who have not fought against you on account of your religion, and who have not driven you out of your homes, that you be kind to them and deal equitably with them; surely, Allah loves those who are equitable.” (60:9)

            The verse actually implies that ‘those that are with him’ are brave, firm and courageous against the evils of the bad people – and therefore not suceptibe to their influences. In this sense they are ‘hard’ against those people, for if ‘hard’ meant hatred it would be contradictory.

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        • again, i’m not saying i hate all kuffar unconditionally, i’m just quoting allahu subhanahu wa tala to put things into perspective.

        • Allah forbids you not, but neither does He make it compulsory.

          Once again, Mirza called the Christian Priests the promised Dajjal who he was promised to kill. He didn’t kill them, he didn’t stop them, he didn’t destroy their arguments, he didn’t trouble them, or impede their progress in any way.

          The dajjal that he spoke of run rampant all over the world, distributing Pashtun Bibles in Afghanistan while NATO forces win “hearts and minds” by blowing those “hearts and minds” out of existence with drone bombs. Meanwhile, you worship the haters of Muslims.

          Your argumentation is shoddy, your lack of reason is telling and your hatred of Muslims shamelessly transparent.

          Mirza Ghulam Yalaash failed miserably in every respect bar making money for his progeny and stealing the ‘eeman of ordinary Muslims with his chicanery.

  7. i thought you implied the dajjal was defeated when you said that “dajjal” was just a title for a specific people at a specific time. if you didn’t mean it like that then okay.

    i didn’t mean hatred man, i fully said that. all i meant by quoting the ayah was to show the higher rank muslims have. brothers in islam share a closer bond between each other than with the kuffar. maybe i shouldn’t have quoted this verse here because it does seem kinda irrelevant. i just felt like you were downplaying the exclusiveness of the muslim brotherhood.

    allahu ta’ala allows us to respect the kuffar who have not fought us or driven us out of our homes because of our islam. now, what about the kuffar who have fought us or driven us out of our homes?

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