WHY???????

Have you forgotten that Mirza Ghulam have also abrogated Jihad and introduced chanda against the Qur’anic commands? Mirza claimed to have received ilham while doing sex with Yalesh which is against Qur’an. Mirza claimed to be like son of God which is against Qur’an. Mirza claimed to have seen God in human form which is against Qur’an.

Why do you cry over Takfeers when your Mirza and Khalifas have also made the similar takfeers over all Muslims?

The Baha’i openly say that Muhammad SAAWS is a Prophet of Allah, and openly say that they believe that the Qur’an is the word of Allah. But, they interpret the Qur’an totally differently, in ways it has NEVER been understood before, and reinterpret it to agree to their theology. Therefore, while they outwardly tote the Qur’an, from our perspectives (you and i) they do not believe in it. They have their own texts (Kitaab al-Maqdis) which forces them to reinterpret the Qur’an to their new ideas. They have their own Prophet Baha’i-Allah.

From the Muslims perspective, Ahmadis are the same way. They outwardly tote the Qur’an, but interpret it in ways it has NEVER been understood before. They reinterpret verses which have *ALWAYS* been understood a certain way to mean something radically different, so from the Muslims’ perspective, they do not believe in the Qur’an. They have their own religious texts (ie, Roohani Khuzain, etc) which forces them to reinterpret the Qur’an to their own ideology. They have their own Prophet: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

We make Takfeer on both of them as deviant off-shoot groups and call them both to the Islam of the Prophet Muhammad SAAWS and the Sahaba.

btw, both use many of the same arguments for the continuation of prophets, ie 4:70.

Ahmadis do not pray behind a non-ahmadi Imam. It is correct on both counts. The persecution is based on Takfeer. So you can not differentiate between them.

I was not comparing the persecution of the Ahmadis to world Jewry in the 30s, I was giving an example of a cohesive community that was destroyed due to persecution. If you take issue with a specific example, I would be happy to find another, but the idea is more around group dynamics than racial vs religious. I hope this is not an issue. I think the most similar persecution would be the Baha’i of Iran, not the Muslims in Makkah. The Makkans did not profess Islam, whereas the Baha’i believe in the Qur’an.

Either way, lets focus on the repercussions:

A) One of the reasons Ahmadis refuse to pray behind Muslims is because they argue Muslims persecuted Ahmadis for so long. It makes this reason invalid. [the other is that we don't accept 'Imam-e-Zaman' and I think makes more sense]

B) It invalidates the Ahmadi agenda of excessively dramatizing their persecution, and using it as a proof of their validity. I hope you see how, if anything, this proves Islam over Ahmadiyya.

If the root cause of the suffering of Muslims in the world is their faith, then I condemn it as much as I condemn the Ahmadi persecution. You see, I will condemn the persecution of all human beings regardless of the reason. I condemn the burning of Churches in India, to killing of Jews by Nazi Germany.

Ahmadis are being persecuted in a very different way then any other community. Whenever the word Ahmadis is mentioned on any forum, the muslims are very quick to respond with the “consensus” that Ahmadis are not muslims. This is a persecution on behalf of the whole muslim nation. Unless you speak out against this, you have a share in this consensus. At the next level, governments have used the same consensus to put in places laws to ban the activities of the community. This persecution again is the responsibility of all those who are unanimous in opposing the Jamaat. Then you have the tip of the iceberg. The violence against the community. The violence is justified on the basis of this so-called consensus which absolves the criminals of their crimes. Which is not condemned by the leadership at any level.

As for the persecution of muslims, the reasons are numerous. And yes, their muslim faith is a part of it. But, how many palestinians are being killed because they want to preach and practice their faith? How many Iraqis have been tortured because they wanted to build a mosque or recite the Kalima? The attrocities against the muslims are done in the name of democracy and freedom. The cause is power struggle and money and oil. There is a difference, if only you could see.