A message on one of my videos from a Qadiani from Toronto called “tubiggies”
i didnt want to do this but kamal u asked for it- Let the truth become known-
exosing SHahid:The reason he is no longer a muslim is because after his father died of cancer (Allah bless him) Shahid WANTED a loan from jamat for the costs, etc. And so Jamma’h rejecteed this cuz just exactly what does he think this is, lol . and so he got so mad that he suddenly realised the Prophets of Allah were fraedulent and so he left islam. That is the story of this man. have a nice day. Truth!
I don’t know which rock these people crawl out from under, but this is the kind of filth these people like to spread. This is their cult.
I don’t normally respond to such filth, but for the record:
- I am a Muslim, alhamdulillah. I stopped being a kaafir in 2004.
- I paid for my father’s funeral, which was in 1999. 5 full years before my reversion.
- I asked Mirza Tahir for a loan (not a hand-out, but a loan) back in the late 1980s. He told me to buy some Premium Bonds!
- I reverted to Islam after a period where I was actually serving Qadianism more than ever before.
So when Qadianis threaten to beat people up and kill them, when they make children cry because of the evil things they say, when they make mothers cry because of the evil things they say and do, when they humiliate children, when they spread falsehood of such a filthy nature, one has to ask, who is really the persecutor and who is the persecuted?
Peace unto those who follow the guidance.
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What are premium bonds? Where does Jama’at put its assets? Do they also earn interest on them? I know Mirza Sb was very fond of interest and he used to offer debate to people with a seed money on which he wanted interest if he won.
What exactly is the stance of the “chosen group” about interest?
lol thats just pathetic shaihid. Go ask Osama for a loan- whats thislook like to you a bank? sheesh.
What you said: “So when Qadianis threaten to beat people up and kill them, when they make children cry because of the evil things they say, when they make mothers cry because of the evil things they say and do, when they humiliate children, when they spread falsehood of such a filthy nature, one has to ask, who is really the persecutor and who is the persecuted?”
My Response:”And where is your proof that we go out and do those things? You have none. You are the kind of annoying little backward pest that likes spreading false propaganda and turmoil. May Allah grant you wisdom so that you can stop these lies and gain some wisdom. Ameen.”
Quoting what newobserver wrote: “Where does Jama’at put its assets? Do they also earn interest on them? I know Mirza Sb was very fond of interest and he used to offer debate to people with a seed money on which he wanted interest if he won.
What exactly is the stance of the “chosen group” about interest?”
Reply: “And where is your proof that he was fond of interest. You people are disgusting and deluded. I am so happy that I didn’t have to grow up in a backward Muslim country with all it rampant propaganda! I can provide you with MANY Friday Sermons of the Khalifa’s in which they speak AGAINST accepting money that is interest based. We are not even allowed to do business on a personal level if interest is involved. Maybe before you point fingers at the Ahmadiyya community you should look at and reflect on the state of Islamic Mullah’s and the very government of the Muslim countries. Money collects in their hands only because of interest.”
Dear Canadian,
I have electronic recordings and witness testimonies. If you call me “annoying and backward pest”, what does that make you? Is this your “love for all, hatred for none”? Come to my face and say these things.
Stop involving yourself in things you have no knowledge of. Do you think I made those things up? Are you nuts?
They have threatened to beat me up and kill me. The evidence is in the comments on my videos and was forwarded to the police and YouTube.
The children they made cry and the mother they made cry, I have witness testimonies of – the testimonies are absolutely cast-iron and corroborated.
As for your point about interest, Mirza Tahir himself told me to buy Premium Bonds. My ex-wife and his security guard and private secretary were witness to this.
Wake up!
Dear Shahid,
Where are your electronic recordings, just by saying you do, doesn’t mean that you do have them. And where is your evidence about interest. Naming people as proofs doesn’t make an argument valid. Also if someone has no knowledge of something, then give proof. It really is simple!!!
Look at youself before telling others to WAKE UP!
“And where is your proof that he was fond of interest.”
If I give you the proof, will accept he was a liar?
If you have that courage, go and check out Minan-ur-Rehman page 14. (RK 139). He says, I want to debate and put Rs 5,000 in a bank or some mahajan. If the person fails to win, he will have to pay interest on the money because it was kept dead and could have been used for business.
If you need further proofs, please let me know.
I think you should re-read the passage stated.
The payment is of ‘damages’ determined by an independent arbitrator for the reward once deposited to await its claim and applies only if a claim is not substantiated / or conclusive. This is not ‘interest’ by any means. It could in effect be zero. Interest has to have a stated % return on capital. This does not.
May Peace be Upon you,
I don’t know when I have felt so hurt…But then our beloved Prophet of God, peace and blessings of Allah upon him, survived much worse.
I ask you you to look upon the example of the beloved Prophet, peace be upon him. Upon the battle plains once, the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) witnessed one of his Sahabi kill a disbeliver. Before the Sahabi killed him however, the man cried out ” La illaha Ilallah Mohummadur Rasoulullah” Allah alone is worthy of worship and Mohammad is his Messenger. The Sahabi however, still slew the man.
The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was desolate, and came up to the Sahabi, asking why he had killed the man. The Sahabi replied that he had been a disbeliever and had only cried out the Kalima to be spared; he did not mean it. THe Holy Prophet ( peace be upon him) then asked “Could you see into his heart?”
I ask the same of every person who has entered a message here. When the Qur’an says that “There should be no complusion in religion” [2:257] and the Sunnat-e- Nabwi show us that we cannot see into the hearts of other men—Why do you place names and other accusations upon others? Only Allah alone is witness to your hearts, minds and true intentions. Fear him for you are answereable only to him.
Ahmadiyy’s call themselves Muslim, they read the Kalima, they honour the Holy Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) above all others, they read the same Namaaz, they are of flesh and blood as are you. When you cannot see into their hearts—you cannot accuse them of anything. When they choose to be Ahmadiyy’s, when they call themselves Muslims, you cannot kill, torture, or ban them from loving Allah, from loving his Prophet (peace be upon him). As Christians, Jews and Hindus are allowed their faith, so too are Ahmadiyy’s allowed to be Muslims and follow Islam. If living in the world today, you continue to persecute them, then you really do need to open your mind, your heart and soul.
Ahmadiyy’s are the ones perscuted, the ones whose homes and mosques are burnt down, whose men and women are discriminated against, their children who cannot go to school without suffering abuse- for having done no wrong.
Ahamadiyy’s are HUMAN, as are Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, and other Muslims. Open your hearts- find that compassion- and bring forth not the hatred of the Devil, but the LOVE of Allah and his Messenger.
LOVE FOR ALL. HATRED FOR NONE.
ALLAH IS ALONE WORTHY OF WORSHIP, AND MOHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER.
I am an Ahmadiyy. I am a Muslim. I am a servant of Allah and his Messenger. He knows my heart. He knows my intentions. I will serve him and those he commands.
Let go of your hate. Let go of your spite. All Relgions have been brought forth by Allah to guide his creations. Love him, and it matters not which religion it is you belong to- for he created you, and he loves you, and as long you do goods deeds and show love for his creations, you will be saved from the fired of Hell.
May Allah Bless us All, and give us the strength to find the path to spritual enlightenment.
get it thru ur thick head. u r not muslim
there are countless hadith saying there’s no prophet after muhammd (s).
how can you say you’re in islam when it’s been decleared ahmadiya is not islam. lol
ahmaids r living proof people wud belive in anything
HAhahaha….wow!!! I am shocked. How pathetic can you be? One would think that considering you slander the Ahmadi’s for NOT being Muslims, you’d be a tad more religious than them. But you’re not really doing yourselves any favours by this webiste. You’re just giving yourselves a bad name- whether you insult a Ahmadi or a fellow Shia or Sunni, its still an insult in the eyes of God. I’m a Christian student studying religion, and can’t believe you guys can deign to call yourseves Muslims…I thought they were supposed to be obediant, submissive and peaceful. but all your doing is spreading hatred…looking at YOUR example, i don’t see why anyone would want to be a Muslim. Do yourselves a favour- and give up…have u looked at the state of pakistan??? there’s a reason that’s happening.
adios.
Hello All,
I am Shahid’s father who died in 1999 of Cancer. He is a big disappointment to me. I wonder whether he considers me Muslim or not. I wonder whether all what he says about Ahmadi Muslims apply to me as well. I guess I’m going to hell then.
Mubarak
Mr. Cult, What do you mean “How pathetic can we be?” And what do you mean we are giving ourselves a bad reputation? Being a Christian student doesn’t make you great at all, if you don’t follow your religion, and as “the guy on top ” a Muslim” stated, we can’t see in each others hearts or see their intentions, so you may be a “good” christian, but you aren’t doing YOURSELF a favor by doing what your doing.. And your studying religion? Wow, then you should have a open mind and heart for other religions. Criticizing another faith wont do YOU any good. We are Ahmadi Muslims and we ARE peaceful people, we are submissive and obedient to the will of God. We are NOT spreading Hatred but are spreading peace and love for all, it’s those who don’t have a heart for other religions who spread hatred in the world. I enjoy learning bout religion and i don’t at all criticize any faith, no matter what they teach their followers.I don’t want anything to get serious here, but in a way you are showing YOUR Hatred here. Pakistan is not the only state in the world with Muslims, their are many more. Pakistan is the way it is, because of government and politics, it had nothing to do or any association as to how a muslin is or should be. How would you know what is an insult in the eyes of God, and what isn’t, you are not God nor an I. True shia and sunnis fight each other, but Ahmadi’s end up getting hurt. A Ahmadi Muslim doctor and his wife, were hanged, Why. because they were ahmadi Muslims, we are being hurt, not hurting others. The bomb blast in Oklahoma was done by a Christian, why don’t people associate Christianity to terrorism, but instead is done to Muslims. And i just want to point out, that Islam doesn’t teach us of terrorism, Islam is a faith which tells it’s believers who are called Muslims, to live in peace with other fellow beings, but yeah your studying religion so you should know that very well…right. Your not of higher status and nor am i, we are all humans and are all of equal status. The way you are being disrespectful doesn’t show me how you can be respectful to any religion, i would be surprised if you knew half the truth of what any religion is about, but once again, i cannot see you true intention, nor can i see into your heart Allah, and Allah alone is the one who can. God bless you, and show you the love Muslims set out for other fellow beings.
Mr. Cult…
If you read carefully…my intention was not to slight Ahmadis… my intentions was to ask the creaotors of this website “Why they have such an intense hatred of Ahmadis?”….
I am a Christian…and a student of religion…I cannot be a student until i have an open mind. I have studied the wars and hatred between the Catholics and Protestants back during the rules of Henry VIII and his successors…and still I wonder why there was such hatred and bloodshed because of a difference of belief.
Thus I too wonder why there is hatred from Sunnis, Shi’ites towards Ahmadis…why are non-Ahmadis not obedient, submissive or peaceful??? Why are there extremists blowing people up in the name if Islam? Why are the taliban killing and torturing people? Where does Islam allow that???
The end point is that it does NOT. Ahmadis are the only ones I have seen who act like actual Muslims.
Thus I apologise if I caused any Ahmadis offence- though I said nothing offensive towards them. I merely asked the creators of this site why they are so backward and closeminded and bent on attacking the reputations of Ahmadis.
it is completely obvious you know little of the idea of Jesus, Antichrist and the end of times in Islam, and you barely know anything about the Ahmadis.
They seem peaceful because they are a minority. Their whole belief is ‘heart’. They do anything they please and use the same excuse ‘Islam is in your heart’. They submit to whereever they live, including Israel. They worship the ground white people walk on. It’s the sad truth.
Islam is peace but it doesn’t mean we should never defend ourselves. Those ‘terrorist’ attacks were bred from years of oppression, colonialism and greed.
So, please, do me a favour and but out. If you’re a Christian, what are you even doing here? This doesn’t concern u.
You can think of Ahmadiyya being like the Mormons.
QUOTE-We are NOT spreading Hatred but are spreading peace and love for all, -UNQUOTE
Please find below some classical pieces of love of Ahmadis for Christians:
Although we believe based on teachings of Quran that this pregnancy was just by will of God so that God Almighty can give a sign for the day of Judgment and just like thousands of insects are born without parents in rainy season and just like Hazrat Adam was also born without mother and father. Then such birth of Hazrat Issa (pbuh) does not prove any respectability. (Chashma Masihi 27-28, RK 356)
Don’t you know that Manliness and Virility are praiseworthy attributes of men. Being eunuch is not a commendable quality just as being deaf and dumb are not commendable. Yes, this objection is indeed very great, that Hazrat Maseeh alaihis-salam being completely deprived of manhood could not leave a practical example of a perfect and upright social life with his wives. (Nur-ul-Quran 17-18, RK 392-393)
The family of Jesus was perfectly holy and immaculate. Jesus’ three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood the body of Jesus came into existence. May be it was a condition for divinity. His inclination for prostitutes and interaction with them might also be due to this ancestral relationship. (Anjam-e-Atham 291)
The person who makes God out of an humble human and creates pity for the non-variant God who is from the beginning and will last till the end that he stayed in the womb of a woman for nine months in the form of a child. He kept on eating menses and was born like humans from a filthy passage. (Satt Bachan 141)
And then he was stuck in the darkness of womb for a period and he was born through the filthy path which is a dirty passage of urine and contaminated himself in all respects. (Braheen Ahmadiyya – Vol 1 – 4 368)
Alas! the Christians deceived in many manners but could not invent the fraud of delivering Masih through the mouth so as to save their God from urine and filth. (Braheen Ahmadiyya – Vol 1 – 4 370)
The Cult??
i would just like to say thank you. because u yourself have seen ahmadi muslims and how peaceful and pious they are. these other people do not understand that they are being watched constantly in the eyes of god they clearly have no fear of god which by the way they claim to. the adults have even hypnotyzed their children into hating the ahmadis. im 14 years old living in london and im persecuted because im better and no non ahmadi will admit to it and that is why they behave so violently towards us. last year on september 7th a stupid non ahmadi scholar incited death on ahmadis on national pakistani t.v the next day an ahmadi doctor was attacked and shot several times in the chest.
and to ‘’shahid” hahahahahah ur pathetic. u make me laugh because you are talking complete and utter rubbish.
’saying that u had witness testimonies. thats probably ur next door neighbour doing u a favour
and if u have really met mirza tahir ahmad which u apparently have. u wouldnt of dared even mention his name in this because he was a truly unique man who’s qualities will never be matched.
because he was kind generous caring knowledgable unlike you or any non ahmadi.
and the question i ask is if ahmadiyyat is fake and wrong (which by the way it isnt its the true islam) then why have all the pathetic attempts to dislodge the community and make it crumble failed.
oh yeah im 14
The Rubbish you are writing on your site is just a lust of your inner. I have gone through the history of Ahmadiyya Community and I have met hundreds of Ahmadis who live around the world. I never felt any thing which you are writing on your blog. it is your false hood. If you are writing these things as a muslim then I suspect that you have never read the Holy Quraan and never studied the teachings of the Holy Prophet of islam. The Holy Quraan and the teaching of the prophet saw always forbids saying such things about any one. The things you are writing is not even ethical rather you call it that you are writing and exposing the ahmadis. I am Sure that you never studied Quraan even in your dreams.
If so plz read the suratulhujrat and first verse of part 6th of the Holy quraan. As i studied the Ahmadiyya community and its beliefs I am very positive and sure the religion of future will be islam and not islam of MUllas and so called muslim scholars but the Islam of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community will prevail.Though I am a muslim by faith and believe in in the finality of Prophet Mohammad SAW but I am totally agreed with the thoughts and teachings which Ahmadiyya Community is propagating. You wrote in a reply to a response from an Ahamdi that you have proofs who quoted you
“So when Qadianis threaten to beat people up and kill them, when they make children cry because of the evil things they say, when they make mothers cry because of the evil things they say and do, when they humiliate children, when they spread falsehood of such a filthy nature, one has to ask, who is really the persecutor and who is the persecuted?”
and you wrote in reply to that
I have electronic recordings and witness testimonies. If you call me “annoying and backward pest”, what does that make you? Is this your “love for all, hatred for none”? Come to my face and say these things.
Stop involving yourself in things you have no knowledge of. Do you think I made those things up? Are you nuts?
They have threatened to beat me up and kill me. The evidence is in the comments on my videos and was forwarded to the police and YouTube.
i have watched many of your videos and of sheikh kareem and some others as well. If you peopele are true and really son of your fathers why dont you people swear AS mirza Guhlam Ahmad wrote in his book Haqeeqtul Wahi on page 71 and 72.
No sane person can even listen to your videos but a researcher has to do this.
You and your friends ( sheikh kareem etc.) who are dropping and writing on blogs and putting videos on youtube and spreading falsehood against ahmadiyya community have no courage to do so. If you people are really son of your real fathers and has a firm faith that what are you saying is true then go ahead and put this swear on your blog.Be a Good Muslim who is real picture of this Hadees
The real muslim is one ,other muslim are safe from his tongue and Hand.
But alas you and your LUST!!!!!!!!!1
Dear Farrukh,
Please refer to site http://www.ahmadibeliefs.com to appreciate true beliefs.
Some interesting analysis of the FS for the y/e 31 December 2008, produced by Jamat.
Financial statements snap shots:
Achieved during the year ended 31 December 2008, 31 December 2007
New mosques constructed 149 (2008) 169 (2007)
Mosques acquired 2O2 (2008) 130 (2007)
The balance on undesignated reserves as at 31 December 2008 is 1.96 million (31 December 20073.57 million). Additionally, the trustees have designated1.66 million during the year for building of mosques.
Building of Mosques and charitable institutions £4.75 millions (2008) £5.57 Millions (2007)
Therefore, Jamat spent over £10 millions in last two financial years building and acquiring mosques. Logically, as a matter of General business practice, which is applicable to the charities too in stricter sense and commonly used practices for any going concern business, to which the auditors reports for the FS specifically pointed, the assets of the charity should have increase by the same amount. But when we look at the accounts we do not find any such increase in the assets.
FIXED ASSETS 2008 2007
(£’000) (£’000)
Tangible assets 7 17
Social investment 1,008 1,008
P&L other income
Interest received 122 200
It is obvious there is no increase but in fact decrees in tangible fixed assets compare to last FY. It is Curious indeed.
On resources expended an expenditure of £3,220,000 is shown which was given to an entity called AI Shirkatul lslamiyyah, UK. What purpose this entity provides? Is the money spent on the Mosques spent through this entity? What legal status of this entity? These are questions worth asking. Nevertheless, it is shown as an expense in normal business terminology.
In the notes to the F&F in Fixed assets, there is no book value shown, at the year ended 31 Dec 2008 worth is 0. Only 7,000 shown in Motor Vehicles as fixed Assets. The total value of the fixed assets therefore is only £7,000.
£1,008,000 shown as an asset under social investment is given as a loan to another charity. No interest on this loan is charged for this year. No name of the charity is provided in the FS.
Interest received is £122,000. The total cash at the year end is £3.67 millions.
No explanation for the interest received is provided but one thing is sure, the interest definitely was received by the Charity from the cash and investments held during the year.
Do Qadianis get it, yet? Do you really understand what is happening? All I can say is open your eyes anyone with little sense of financial matters can see how this charity is run.
I just need some solid information on few issues, if I am able to get that information, I will move in to the gear. All I can say that would be the worst day for this Jamat.
Brother Shahid you should not worry about this kind of intimidation. I will be in touch with you very soon inshallah, once contact established, you will find me a trusted friend who will be there for you through thick and thin. Same offer is ture for Brother Akbar.
Requesting a loan when you are part of some group is nothing unusual, neither anything is wrong with such request. Every one of us who lives in the west, restore to a loan of one kind or another. This shameful act of intimidation by Qadianis is nothing but a proof of their low morals and extremely obnoxious characters. Those who issue death threats are criminals and should be treated as such. It is just matter of time, before their crimes catch up with these criminals.
Please call me on my mobile now if you can.
I did some digging on “Al Shirkatul Islamiyyah” a few months ago, because I found them through an OfCom complaint. Interestingly enough, they were in south west London, so I probed further and found that they had entries in a Muslim directory. It turns out that they are the umbrella organisation for MTA. The parent also engages in other kinds of media work, related to the Ahmadiyya. In short, Al Shirkatul Islamiyyah is the propaganda arm of Ahmadiyya.
I contacted the proprietors of the Muslim business directory to advise them that this organisation that masqueraded as a Muslim organisation was actually a the propaganda outlet for the Ahmadiyya. They investigated, found my allegations to be correct and promptly removed the entries from their directory, and contacted other directories to do the same.
Falsehood is forever bound to be exposed.
Feel free to contact me at any time brother, do leave me your number so that I can call you back insha’Allah.
Here are some more details on Al Shirkatul Islamiyyah:
http://www.charitiesdirect.com/charities/alshirkatul-islamiyyah-295197.html
Headline Figures:
Period End Jun 2008
EOYHead Jun-08
Total Income £2.638m
Total Expenditure £3.107m
Total Funds £1.395m
Governance as% of Total expenditure 13.8%
Investment income 0.033
Charitable Activity 2.605
Costs of Charitable Activities 2.678
Governance 0.429
The OfCom entry:
http://www.charitiesdirect.com/charities/alshirkatul-islamiyyah-295197.html
The Al Shiraktul Islamiyyah is having their headquarters redeveloped at a cost of around £3M!
Here are the details:
http://www.alexcoleman.com/projects-commercial-deer-park.php
£3M… is that all!
Good value if its doubling up warehouse and office space in prime locality and a sign of the extra warehousing needed for the Humanity First work being co-ordinated from there – globally.
If you guys need any financial questions asked about the accounts etc… seriously just ask one of the Ahmadi Delegates that attend the annual Gen Meeting ( Shura) where members query, approve and sign -off budgets.
Brother Shahid,
I will be in touch with you, very soon Inshallah.
I had a look at the second company’s accounts for the Y/E 30 June 2008.
I have picked up few curious things, as I expected.
Employment costs
No salaries or wages have been paid to employees, including the trustees, during the year.
Even though it is a trading company, according to the FS, but alas, no employment costs are listed. Curiously, all the building and construction work is carried out by this company without employees or any numerations paid to anyone. On the contrary, the main charity has staff and staff costs are listed in their FS.
Fixed Assets;
Building, plant and fittings were £1,233,660 at the start of the year an addition of £25,137 during the year is shown; after the depreciation it is valued at £1,190, 865 at the Y/E.
Plant and Machinery was £1,254,161 at the start but after the allowances for depreciations it valued only at £42,814. The other big items fixture and fittings which have net worth book value of £55,186 and Motor vehicles with a net book value of £45,700.
This company also has Broadcasting equipment with Net worth Value of £667,481 after allowances of depreciations. There was an edition of £225,760during the year. This proves that television MTA is also run through this company or its assets are acquired through this company.
Ironically, there were no substantive additions in Land and Buildings during the FY ended on 30 June 2008. We can safely assume that over £10 millions spent during 2007/2008 on acquisition and constructions of the mosques are not listed as assets on the accounts of this charity either.
I am checking on another issue, I will write further once I have done the necessary research.