While I was engaged upon the compilation of this book, I received the revelation (Urdu): Yalesh – is the name of God Himself. This is a new word which is not found in this form in the Quran or hadith or in any dictionary. It has been disclosed to me that it connotes ya la shareek (O Thou without an associate).
Tohfa Golarviyya, p.69, footnote
Let’s humour the Qadianis for a while, shall we? Let’s imagine for a moment that this was a real revelation to a real prophet.
- Why was this name not revealed to the Last Prophet, Muhammad (saw)?
- Since when can an Arabic name be constructed in this way? Especially with the calling tool “ya” being incorporated into the amalgamated resultant mess? The calling tool “ya” simply cannot be used in this way as part of a proper name in Arabic.
- Why is the translation so deceptive? After all, “ya la shareek” means quite simply “Oh no associate”. If you wanted to say “Oh Thou without an associate” you would say ““ya man la shareek lahu” in Arabic.
- Never mind the nonsense “yalesh” or “yalash” or “yalaash”, why does the expression “ya la shareek” never appear in any Arabic text in history? Could it be because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever?
- The names of Allah are part of the Islamic lexicon. No new names would have been revealed after the demise of the Last Prophet Muhammad (saw). This new name is proof that Qadianism is a new religion.
For more, please read brother Fuad’s excellent article.
Peace unto those who follow the guidance.
I wish they would translate their books!!!
Brother this is from Tadhkirah, which they translated into English!
I second that wish (about the other books). I have made an almost final attempt to convince my parents about my point of view using this posted paragraph by MGA, but they eventually said, “we are not qualified to interpret this” because I got them stuck and they knew it. They came up with very creative explanations for it, I must admit. My dad suggested I email the jamaat, so I went with it. Still waiting for a reply
I got two Ahmadiyya newsletters in my inbox though.
I think my last true *final* attempt at finalizing my “coming out” about being purely Muslim is by showing them the untranslated versions about Hazrat Isa (sa)…I don’t think they can talk themselves out of that one. But at least they will know with finality that I am done with this sect and why it is so.
N.A.
Don’t you have a local/regional missionary who can answer your questions?
You’re kidding islam976.
You are the best the jama’at have got – and all you do is throw sand in the eyes. When people clear their eyes of the sand, they are free to see and feel the truth.
What you offer is distortion, confusion and kufr. As for local/regional murabbis, the second you start asking difficult questions, you are marked as a troublemaker and not long before you and your family start to suffer ostracism and hatred.
Do you know that jama’at put my old mother under pressure to warn me against making videos? She was crying on the phone to me, begging me not to make more videos as she was being given a hard time.
Asking Qadiani murabbis straight questions is even less satisfying than getting a straight answer out of you.
There are a million reasons to leave Qadianism for Islam. There is not a single reason to be a Qadiani. Not one.
N.A. knows that, Akber knew that, Farhan (Orthodox) knew that, Ahsen knew that, Sheikh Raheal knew that, I know that and there was one guy who was as smart as you, but I cannot name because he hasn’t come “out” openly yet who also eventually knew that.
200 Million Qadianis? Where??
“We can what we will do” What??
Those who don’t like Mirza Sahib’s work are the “progeny of whores”
Hindus’ god according to Mirza Sahib was a short span under their navel.
Earthworms are born “khud ba khud” of the earth, without the agency of a mother or a father.
Only Mirza Sahib knew the personal name of God – a completely erroneous word – “yalash” that has no validity or coherence or meaning.
Come on. Your “Ahmadiyya Pocket Book” tactics only work on people who cannot think for themselves.
What kind of a prophet do you believe in?
Finally, please stick to the topic and answer the post on “Yalesh/Yalash”
“What kind of a prophet do you believe in?”
No matter what kind he is, if he is a prophet of God why not believe in him. Since God choses Prophets for their righteousness and nearness to Him.
“Do you know that jama’at put my old mother under pressure to warn me against making videos? She was crying on the phone to me, begging me not to make more videos as she was being given a hard time.”
EVIDENCE?
N.A. – subhanAllah, you sought hidaayah and your Creator granted it. You are blessed.
May Allah (SWT) continue to shower you with His Rahmah and may He also lead your family out of the darkness and into the light. Insha’Allah.
Shahid,
Earthworms are born khudba khud. Not out of thin air. But their is no mother or father involved. Let me explain.. An earthworm has both the male and female organs inside it. And that means that you can not say differentiate sexes in worms.
The argument was to prove that Jesus (as)’s brith is not something outside the realms of natural laws. So this fact does not make him special. I have said this before that the validity of the argument even after the application of modern science proves that Promised Messiah (as) wrote through Divine guidance. I am not saying that he knew the exact phenomenon of invertebrate reproduction as understood today, but He knew that whatever he wrote will be supported by Allah. This is a proof of his truthfulness.
The reference to Hindu god is a specific one and this was presented to Arya samajis who insulted the Holy Prophet (saw). This fact exists in their books, along with the practice of “noyog”. Maybe you need to learn the practice of “ling puja” to understand the context.
Ofcourse those who read Promised Messiah’s books and then oppose him out of malice and arrogance are Zurriyatul baghaya. The same kind of Baghaya who were in Pharoah’s armies. Quran uses the same words to describe those women who chased the Israelites.. Or was it men who were recruited in the army?
As for the names of Allah (swt), a Hadith is reported : The Prophet (peace be upon him) made the following supplication, “[O Allah], I ask you of you by every name that You have named yourself or that You have revealed in Your book or that You have taught any of Your creation or that You have kept hidden, in the unseen knowledge, with Yourself.” (Recorded by Ahmad)
Islam976
The reference is explicit: The worms are born of the earth, not of a parent, but of the earth.
We can have a separate discussion about zurriyatul baghaaya. You are probably erasing from your mind our last 20-page discussion on this subject, you didn’t fare too well. I am fully aware of the linguistics I can assure you and the wordgames you are playing will not wash. Mirza Sahib himself defined the word to mean street-woman or harlot, so why are you disagreeing with your prophet?
As for the hadith you have chosen, I would rather you just addressed the logic – and if you wish, attempt to describe any of Allah’s real names as revealed to us as being as bogus and silly as “yalash”. This is not so much a theological question as one of linguistics.
Shahid,
If you refuse to believe that words in any language can have more than one meanings, some times very diverse then it is your problem. If you wish to be included in Zurriyatul Baghaya according to your mindset then feel free.
As for the discussion on Yalash, I do not wish to repeat what I have already said. You can post that discssion if you wish to point out my failure.
When earth worms are born the are born out of two parents. An earth worm has both male and female parts and the two worms do mate together, with one transferring male germs to the female part of the other worm. So in case of earthworms the first worm is father and second is mother. However, Mirza Sb say they are born from earth (not thin air). They are born from earth “khud ba-khud” – this is clear Urdu: “khud ba-khud zameen sey paida”. On the other hand Hazrat Issa was not born khud ba-khud – he was born from a mother – however his birth was against the natural phenomenon of human birth. Earth worms do not avoid a natural phenomenon of worm birth; so there is no comparison. Comparison can only be done of Hazrat Issa and Hazrat Adam as both don’t follow the natural phenomenon of reproduction of their species. But this debate is not needed as Mirza Sb has written in extremely clear Urdu “khud ba-khud zameen sey paida”
Shahid, you mentioned two ex-Ahmadis local to me: Farhan (Orthodox) and Ahsen.
Ahsen and I have taken many Islamic classes together and we chill sometimes. Farhan has been to my house several times. My parents like them both.
There’s another ex-Ahmadi named Nabeel Qureshi, but he became a Christian and now debates Muslims under the guise of being an “ex-Muslim”. Farhan called him out and is like “You were never a Muslim, you were an Ahmadi!”
AOA
Islam976: I actually live in quite a rural place, so the nearest jamaat is like 200 + miles away. So my entire life pretty much I either didn’t study my religion at all and focused on studies, or ended up defending Ahmadiyya to my non-Ahmadi Muslim friends where I live based on my early jamaat days when we lived near one. But really, we never talked about religion unless they were curious to know what Ahmadiyya was because most did not know (until their parents told them about it…). So anyway, one day I was in a very nice, calm, almost half serious conversation about sects in Islam and even though how there shouldn’t be any, I was telling that person that there is a promised messiah and mahdi that came on this earth. They wanted proof, so for the first time I was looking things up myself to find that proof.
I consider myself a pretty smart person, and I know a logical argument versus somebody trying to twist some sense out of something. And when I started reading some of the texts from Tadhkirah, I felt really uncomfortable because this was not the kind of writing I expected from a prophet, but what did I know, right? I’m not a scholar and I don’t know anything.
Ok, so fast forward and after a lot of my own research and thinking, and after Alhamdolilah finishing reading the Quran in the language I understand this time during Ramadan, I realize….there are a lot of contradictions in these texts! Nevermind if what Mirza Ghulham Ahmad was saying right or not, whether earth worms do this or that, whether disbelievers are all whores, whatever…..that didn’t matter to me (it actually led me to such confusion). But what mattered was the contradictions that came from his writings to what was in the Quran itself.
My parents say I’m not learned to really know what I’m talking about. That it takes years for people to understand what is in the Quran and that for God’s sake, it’s in Arabic, you need an Arabic speaking person to interpret what it says. Well, for those arguments I was lucky enough to remember from my readings in the Quran this simple verse:
(41:44) And if We had made it a Qur’an in a foreign tongue, they, surely, would have said, ‘Why have not its verses been made clear? What! a foreign tongue and an Arab Prophet?’ Say, ‘It is a guidance and a healing for those who believe.’ But as to those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears and to them it is blindness. They are, as it were, being called from a far-off place.
I know that the “deafness” Allah is talking about is when you know there is something wrong in your heart, but your mind wants to correct it just so you can be right. I didn’t want to be right, I wanted to know the truth. No matter how clear a verse is, no matter how clear “the best meaning” out of a verse I can extract (a rule given to us from the Quran), a person may not actually want to hear it because they are comfortable with what they already know or the society they belong to. Allah continually says the verses in the Quran are clear (just search “clear verses” and you get a bunch of ayats).
So to argue with people who have Faith is very hard. I love Islam because it bases its foundation not just on faith but on logic as well. I can spew out a whole list of contradictions I found from Mirza Gulham Ahmad’s works, from within himself or against the Quran.
(4:82) Will they not, then, meditate upon the Qur’an? Had it been from anyone other than God, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy.
I’m a minimalist, I go back to the basics, and from the Quran I read a lot of thing that were clear and true….but I can’t get those things from Mr. Ahmad’s writings. He is supposed to be a reformer, and make things clearer to us…otherwise, why bother with his coming if we are still confused? Might as well keep the Quran and various Hadiths as our guidance for the time being until the Day of Judgment when everything in which we dispute will become clear to us (the unimportant things). What it takes to be a Muslim in this life is clear (again, if you read the Quran): Believe in one Allah, pray regularly, pay Zakat regularly, avoid major sins, fast, and doing Hajj is enjoined upon us who can afford it. We are all Muslims as long as we do those things, even Hazrat Abraham (sa) was a Muslim in his right. How could we call anybody other than that if they do those things? Even if the Jews and Christians rejected Hazrat Muhammad (saw), they still have a chance of going to Heaven as long as they believe and do of those listed things I mentioned. Allah is the Judge, not us.
Sorry so long, felt I had to explain myself.
N.A.,
I am not sure if I understand your motives for being on this blog at this point. You are a minimalist, you like to keep things simple. You have chosen to the leave the Jamaat that you didn’t have any affinity with. All seem very fair and straight forward to me. I wish you best of luck with your search for spiritual contentment and guidance.
But you mentioned Tadhkira as your first real study of Ahmadiyya literature. It is like saying, I wanted to study English literature so picked up the oxford dictionary. And your parents answers amaze me. I was reading Quran with translation when I was 9 or 10. And my mother was teaching me that. I lived all my early years in Pakistan, and not in Rabwah or some village with Ahmadi neighbours. I lived among Sunnis and Wahabis who asked me all those questions that you mentioned in your post.
It led me to study more about my beliefs. Was I supposed to believe in a Mahdi or Messiah? And the answer was yes. You mentioned a few very important points. For example, salvation for all believers in God who do good deeds. In my schools, and college and the university, none of my teachers or text books which were based upon the mainstream muslim beliefs had a kind word to say about the people of the book. To be honest, during my school days I was very much in agreement with idea that all non-muslims will go to hell. But as my study of the Ahmadiyya literature increased, I found my answers. I found the mercy of Allah, and His true attributes through the writings of Promised Messiah (as). I remember so clearly, that when I was 11 or 12, a friend gave me a book called “maut ka manzar” i.e., “Scenes of death”. This is a famous book which compiles all the stories in Islamic texts about the horrors of death and the treatment of the dead in their graves by the angels and the eventual punishments in Hell. You can probably find an English translation online somewhere. It is an essential reading for the religious minded orthodoxy. After reading the book, I felt a strong sense of dismay and anxiety. Even at that age, I was constantly worried about my salvation. Some time later our headmaster announced in the school assembly that those who forget only one salat in their life will be punished for hundreds of millions of years in hell. This was just one aspect of orthodox sunni Islam which repelled me from the ugliness of mullah’s mind. During my studies, I came across a beautiful essay of Dr. Mir Ismael sahib (may Allah be pleased with him). After reading this essay, a burden was lifted from my shoulders. My mind was put at ease. May Allah reward him for this and elevate his station in paradise. Ameen. The essay was entitled “Maghfirate Elahi ke Nazaray” or “the examples of forgiveness of Allah”.
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/pdf/HzDrMir.pdf page 224
Maybe you can ask some one to translate the essay for you if you cant read urdu. But it is worth a read.
Then I read Kishti e Nooh. A small booklet of Promised Messiah (as) which makes it absolutely clear that who can be considered among his followers. The book leaves no doubt in my mind that it was Jamaat e Ahmadiyya which is destined to revive the true Islamic values. Without a question, I wish to be counted among those who fulfil the criteria to be the Ahmadi muslims. The Islam which Ahmadiyya muslim community presents is the crystal clear Islam. No doubts, no reservations, no cover ups, no apologies.
Your mainstream muslim friends will be among those who beleive that verses of Quran are abrogated. Fornicators and apostates should be killed, women can be tortured, wars can be declared on non-muslims just because they refuse to accept Islam etc etc. If you belong to a minority who refuse to believe all of the above, then you are still searching for the real Islam. Something to adhere to and feel connected with. You will not find that anywhere but in Jamaa’t Ahmadiyya Islamiyah. My advice for you is.. Study the source.. Do not the anti ahmadiyya websites..
“We can what we will do” – Crystal Clear
I read a collection of ahadeeth and I am inspired. I read Tadhkirah and I am confused.
Mirza Sahib was self-aggrandising and plagued with money and health worries, obeisant to the end to an occupying power. A fallible man with many faults and a fragile ego. I compare his character to that of the Prophet (pbuh) and then I understand the difference between crystal clear streams and muddy ponds.
It’s interesting, we have very different backgrounds, maybe that is why you can’t see where I’m coming from. I’ve met those types of Muslims before, they think everybody is going to hell. Hehehe, I’ve also met those Ahmadiyya muslims too that think everybody is going to hell.
I live in the United States, so I’m not always surrounded by other Muslims and it is easy to forget where I came from sometimes. But again, Alhamdolilah I have been able to get back on track. And you know what? Not all the Sunni Muslims I met have those types of thoughts and views. Some of them are very progressive and logical in their beliefs. I realize I have more in common with them than I previously thought. We respectfully disagree with each other on some points, but I truly believe they are as much Muslim as I am. (And no, when I was an Ahmadi some of my Sunni friends did not think I was going to hell, but they did think I was very misguided).
I always had those blue, yellow, red booklets lying around on the basics of Islam and Ahmadiyya, and those Introduction to Ahmadiyya books or “The Tomb of Jesus”. I read it definitely, and that is why I stayed in Ahmadiyya for as long as I did. But the reason again that I decided to leave is because I needed to know more, something with substance, so I went to the only source I could initially find in English that was from the man himself, Mirza Gulham Ahmad, and that was Tadhkirah. The reason I frequently visit Mr. Kamal’s blog is because, one, by now I’m already convinced that Ahmadiyya is not the right version of Islam for me so I feel comfortable enough reading what’s on here, and two, he posts some very substantial material that I would never have seen elsewhere if I did not come on here.
But before when I was studying, I’d just switch back and forth from Pro to Anti Ahmadiyya and that was just way too confusing and circumambulatory. Hence the reason why I decided to go straight to the only source of Mr. Gulham Ahmad’s writings.
Those particular misguided muslims that you ran into during your early days must not have read their Quran, or they just had their hearts sealed. There truly are other Muslims, Sunni or not, that do not harbor the views of a select group of people you run into. Whatever the case, it’s all in the Quran. It’s complete and perfect for a reason.
Anyway, I know that as long as I follow what is in the Quran, Inshallah everything will be fine; for me, or anybody else who wants to be a Muslim. I’ll surely try to find somebody to translate the sources you posted, just because I don’t mind reading any viewpoint, but for the record there are many examples of Mercy and Forgiveness in the Quran too
And will come to you as news if I told you that Ahmadis literally live by the Quran? No one has defended and propagated Quran more than the Ahmadiyya muslim community. You should read the commentaries of Quran available from the Ahmadiyya sources and compare them with the rest. If you find the others more enlightening, then you have made the right choice.
Wassalam,
N.A.
Where in the US do you live? I live in Northern Virginia, near DC and Maryland. Not exactly a rural area lol. If you wanna wanna chill, hit me up.
I think what N.A. hit a nerve that I have with some of these extreme esoteric interpretations: attributing things that are not there and demanding adherence to it. In other words, twisting verses. For example, in “A Misconception Removed”, he wrote about a divine prophecy in the “Khatamiyyat” of Muhammad SAAWS, that you can get lost in his Khatamiyyat. What? How did he get that? And then he’ll be like “only the people of intellect will understand this”. I guess the past 1400 years of Muslims weren’t intellectual.
As N.A. pointed out, guidance should be clear-cut. Shahada, Salaah (Namaz), Zakah, Fasting and Hajj. There’s not a lot of ambiguitiy there. But this whole concept of “Shadow Prophet” and “Mirror Prophets”, which isn’t even mentioned in the Qur’an except through these crazy twists of verses…
I also adopt this minimalist approach. Follow the Qur’an and Prophetic guidance, not these 80+ confused, self-contradictory books that only create more problems and require interpretation.
“And will come to you as news if I told you that Ahmadis literally live by the Quran? No one has defended and propagated Quran more than the Ahmadiyya muslim community.”
A bold claim, but needs evidence. A bit like the incredible claim of 200M membership.
“You should read the commentaries of Quran available from the Ahmadiyya sources and compare them with the rest. If you find the others more enlightening, then you have made the right choice.”
I read these first of course. I found parts twisted and misleading.
http://alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=14®ion=EN
Look at 25b – what an outrageous lie!
In the past, there was a mendacious interpolation put in about “revelation yet to come”. How Qadiani exegetes managed to get that out of “akhirah” is beyond me and a large part of the reason I left.
Your comments on the lies at explanation 25b on the following page please?
http://alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=14®ion=EN
There is no lying involved here. A comment is made on one of the possible meanings of the verse. The translation is still the same as all other translations.
The meaning is an innovation and a lie.
And the translation is not the same as the old one. The original has been changed. It used to be a deceitful interpolation:
“and they have firm faith in what is yet to come”. Remember? Shall I refresh your memory?
http://alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=2®ion=E2
Still a valid translation. Aakhira, Aakhireen.. same root..similar meanings.
Yes of course. And black means white. And white means black. Right?
I read one article on alislam.org where, when they were faced with ‘Last Prophet’, they said that Aakhir also means ‘Best’. I actually want Ahmadis to read that article so they can see how ridiculous it is.
And, its inconsistent, because their own dictionary translates it as “Last” or “End”
al-akhira means The Hereafter. There is no other meaning.
just the word ‘aakhir’
after i read that, i thought to myself “So…how exactly do you say ‘last prophet’ then if ‘last prophet’ doesn’t mean ‘last prophet’?”
Islam976,
You missed to answer the post:
When earth worms are born the are born out of two parents. An earth worm has both male and female parts and the two worms do mate together, with one transferring male germs to the female part of the other worm. So in case of earthworms the first worm is father and second is mother. However, Mirza Sb say they are born from earth (not thin air). They are born from earth “khud ba-khud” – this is clear Urdu: “khud ba-khud zameen sey paida”. On the other hand Hazrat Issa was not born khud ba-khud – he was born from a mother – however his birth was against the natural phenomenon of human birth. Earth worms do not avoid a natural phenomenon of worm birth; so there is no comparison. Comparison can only be done of Hazrat Issa and Hazrat Adam as both don’t follow the natural phenomenon of reproduction of their species. But this debate is not needed as Mirza Sb has written in extremely clear Urdu “khud ba-khud zameen sey paida”
Yalash
hey Islam976
[[As for the names of Allah (swt), a Hadith is reported : The Prophet (peace be upon him) made the following supplication, “[O Allah], I ask you of you by every name that You have named yourself or that You have revealed in Your book or that You have taught any of Your creation or that You have kept hidden, in the unseen knowledge, with Yourself.” (Recorded by Ahmad)]]
so yalash name was kept hidden and specifically told to MGAQ?
If you believe in that then y don’t you worship YALASH.
its like LOL, LMAO, ROTF. MGAQ was so advance that he made a short form. clear cut sign wow prophet of YALASH.
Y don’t all qadiyanis start calling him MGAQ new ilham.
ONLY ONE ARGUMENT IS SUFFICIENT TO PROVE HIS FALSEHOOD
HE WAS BLESSED WITH MELANCHOLIA AND EXCESSIVE URINATION [SIGNS OF PROPHETHOOD]. IT MAY BE SIGN OF ALLAH’A ANGER ONLY.
NOW FOR MGAQ YALASH MADE SUCH SERIOUS DISEASES SIGNS OF PROPHETHOOD OR MASIH MAOOD.
MAY ALLAH GIVE ALL TRUE QADIYANIS THESE TWO SIGNS OF PTOPHETHOOD. AaMEEN
Dear Shadab,
If one is to follow your logic of deciding “true prophet”, i.e. “IT MAY BE SIGN OF ALLAH’A ANGER ONLY” then one have to conclude that Jews and Christians during the time of Hazart Muhammad(saw) were right in reject the Holy Prophet(saw) because he was God Forbid, insane. Have a look
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad#Psychological_and_medical_condition