Please don’t take me wrong or insulting if sound too blunt..Your inability and hesitance to face the Mahdi / Madih contradiction proves that deep down in your heart, you acknowledge the contradiction but your blind belief and life time of revernce for Mirza is holding you back.

Let me try once more, We are not talking of attributres of MAHDI or A Mahdi. We are talking about “The Mahdi” an individual who is foretold in Ahadith with certain attributes. Mirza denied all those Hadith and one very specific one which is always used by Qadianis – no mahdi except essa- .

Mirza also wrote that book NISHAN-E-ASMANI where he writes in details and vainly tries to prove that the person THE MAHDI prophcised is none other than Mirza himslef. For your ease quick access, I am giving you the link here, http://alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-4-12.pdf This will take you to title page of the book. Please read page 8,9, 10 and then a persian poem with URDU translation, please read this poem specially page 14….

Now tell me is he talking about A Mahdi or THE MAHDI and spending his maximum energies to prove that he is THE MAHDI prophecised so much so that he lied about ahadith…and I quote here:

- Rk VOL 4, Nishan e Asmani page 10, pdf 16-57

” Muhammed pbuh informs us about many MAHDIS including the mahdi who, IN HADITH, named as SULTAN MASHRIQ”

On the same page, Mirza writes ” Muhammaed pbuh himself declared the same era for the coiming of MAHDI which we are in and called him Mujaddad of 14 centyry”

YOU SEE THAT ABOVE STATEMENTS ARE COMPLETE LIES BY MIRZA…
HOW CAN YOU LIVE WITH SUCH CONTRADICTIONS? HOW CAN YOU TRUST A MAN WHO LIES TO MAKE HIS CLAIM?

“With regard to Hadiths about the coming of al-Mahdi, you must know that ALL of them are unreliable, weak and they contradict each other. There is even a Hadith by ibn Majah and others says ‘there is no Mahdi except Isa ibn Maryam’! How can you rely on such Hadiths? …The conclusion is that ALL those Hadiths are full of contradiction and inconsistency; therefore you must leave all those Hadiths.”
-RK7, Hamamat-ul-Bushra, pages 314/315

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I’ll even give you my cell phone if you wanna talk to me

The objection to this Hadith is based on the chain of transmission and that other versions of this Hadith exist which are not truncated. Your own Mujaddid Jalal ad-Deen as-Suyooti said “Its ***chain of transmission*** has weakness”, nothing to do with the Abbassid of Umayyad Khulafaa’

Mirza made that mistake, but you, my brother, are not bound by his errors.

Lets talk via msn at farhank84@hotmail.com

It is very valid inference from many Ahadith and their Quranic origins, that Mahdi is a status held by all the prophets. Through this connection, all saints and sages who receive revelations have this status. All the mujaddideen were Mahdis no doubt. Umar b Abdul Aziz (ar) was the Mahdi of his time. Under this definition Noorud Deen Zangi and Salahud Deen Ayyabi were Mahdis of their time. But there are certain ahadith and a definite Quranic theme about the coming of The Mahdi. This Mahdi is associated with the time of great tribulations of Dajjal and Yajuj Majuj. And this Mahdi is also the Messiah. i.e., he is a prophet. Please refer to my discussion on Ibne Arabi’s views on the nature of revelation to the Imam Mahdi.

Now, if you want to prove that there is any contradiction, you have to quote the passages and outline those “contradictions”. I have addressed the copy-paste allegation in good detail. It is upto you to read it and refute it.

You might have dealt with MAHDI saga at length and given your views on MAHDI, but HAVE YOU EVER dealt with clear contradictions in Mirza’s writings? I repeat my point and will keep doing so until a follower of Mirza bravely comes forward and says..yes there are contradictions and I still follow them…..or SHOW ME THAT THESE ARE NOT CONTRADICTIONS…..

HOW CAN YOU RECONCILE MIRZA’S QUOTES IN ABOVE posts? Now don’t come back and say that you have dealt with them….caz you have not. You have only AVOIDED them….

If you want to see arrogance and hatred my friend, you have only to read the numerous “Love for All, Hatred for None” posts in the forum, or the newest blog entry here.

I do hate evil my friend, I do hate lies, I do hate tyranny. I admit that, but what drives me is that I don’t want decent people going to hell just because they believed in something without thinking about it or knowing the full facts.

@Br. Pleezing One:
I hope he will join our ranks insha’Allah, there are plenty more. His brilliant mind is completely wasted defending deception that cannot be explained to the ordinary person.

Also there is always someone who likes to jump in a discussion to repeat an argument which has already been dealt with. For example, in my last post, I discussed my views at length on the Mahdi ahadith, but someone thought it was appropriate to repeat the whole saga again.

Only if you can stick to the point, these discussions may help you understand the ahmadiyya muslim view point.

If he s inteligent an as knowledgable as you say, He will InshaAllah see he truth one day…. as an intllignt and sincere man cannot stay away from truth, especially when he can see it VERY CLEARLY.

InshaAllah, he will be one day another Akbar Choudhary, Farhan and Shaid Kamal….