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From today’s Pakistan Daily:
More Qadiyanis serve in the Israeli Armed Forces than Pakistan according to a book, ‘Israel: A Profile’, by a respected Jewish Professor I.T Naomi. He stated: ‘… and the Ahmadi sect of some 600 people from Pakistan can also serve in the (Israeli) army…’ To many analysts Qadiaynis are a political issue and have always been a security problem? In India Qadiyanis have collected and donated thousands to the Indian Army fund after Kargil.
On 15th February 1987, Pakistani Foreign Minister, Sahibzada Yakub Khan declared in the National Assembly that there were 328 Qadiyani officers of different ranks in the Pakistan Armed Forces. According to his report 1, Lt. General, 5 Brigadiers in the army and 1 similar rank in the Air Force = 6, Colonial 10 Army, 2 Navy, 3 Air Force= 15, Lt. Colonials 56 Army, 6 Navy, 11 Air Force = 73, Major 135 Army, 5 Navy, 16 Air Force = 156, Captain 58 Army, 5 Navy, 14 Air Force = 77, Total 328.
600 Qadiyanis serve in the Israeli Armed Forces according to a book, ‘Israel: A Profile’, by Professor I.T Naomi, and 238 in Pakistan armed forces.
“Give peace to the Ahmadis if you want peace in Karachi”, a senior Qadiyani leader said to me
Now the question is after 20 years where are these officers? How far up have they gone? What is their current status in the armed forces and intelligence agencies? “Qadiyanis were created for political reasons and also to confuse the Muslims especially on the matter of ‘Jihad”, said a senior analyst.
‘Give peace to the Ahmadis if you want peace in Karachi’, in 1995 a very senior Qadiyani leader said to me while sitting in one of his fully licensed restaurant at Wilmslow Road, Manchester. It was the time when Benazir Bhutto’s government was doing ‘operation clean up’ in Karachi under interior minister Naseerullah Babar.
I had an invitation to attend a conference on Human Rights at the United Nations in this context a close friend took me to see Mr. Altaf Hussain at his London offices in August 1995. They showed us some videos about the bad treatment to their workers in Karachi. In the context of ‘Jinnahpur conspiracy’ allegations, I suggested Mr Altaf Husain, ‘don’t say anything which you cannot take back like Mujeeb-ur- Rehman’s six points’. As liver damage caused by drinking alcohol and smoking of hashish are irreversible.
Tariq Aziz reportedly Qadiyani relative of Rehman Malik and former president Musharaf’s National Security Advisor has been hired for the ‘track two diplomacy with India’. His rank and salary would be equivalent to a federal minister. No wonder MQM and PPP are reportedly planning to move a motion in the parliament to undo the declaration of Qadiaynis as non Muslims by ZA Bhutto led Parliament on 7th September 1974.
On 8th September 2008, Mr Altaf Hussain said, ‘a widespread conspiracy against the MQM of sending fax letters and emails to individuals and to Imam Bargahs and Mosques domestically and internationally inciting hatred and provocations against Shiite and Ahmadi sects to malign the image of the MQM and falsely portray it to be against Shiite and Ahmadi sects”.
Altaf Hussain prayed for the forgiveness of Mirza Tahir Ahmad Qadiyani leader, who died in London few of years ago. One wonders why Altaf did not attend his funeral? As a matter of courtesy one expects to say condolences provided the other side accept? Sir Zafrullah did not attend the funeral of Muhammad Ali Jinnah (father of the nation) conducted by a Sunni Muslim. Altaf Hussain prayed for the forgiveness of Qadiyani leader Mirza Tahir but have they accepted his condolences?
Impact magazine wrote: ‘The National Assembly (in 1974) would go to remove a long standing but an unnecessary anomaly. The decision would serve only to formalise the defacto even de jure position. The problem had arisen not because the Muslims in some fit of orthodoxy or fanaticism wanted to ‘excommunicate’ any group of people. Its origin, on the other hand, lay in the assumption by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadiyan of Messiahship, and prophethood and as a consequence, branding those who did not believe in him to be outside the pale of his Islam.
The Qadiyani view of their relationship with Muslims was well summarised by their second caliph, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad:“Our worship has been separated from the non –Ahmadis, we are prohibited from giving our daughters (in marriage) to them and we have been stopped from offering prayers for their dead. What then left that we can do together? There are two kinds of ties: one religious the other mundane. The greatest expression of the religious bond is in common worship and in matters mundane, these are the ties of family and marriage. But then both are forbidden (haram) to us. If you say that we are permitted to take their daughter (in marriage), then I would reply that we are allowed to marry the daughters of Christians as well. If you say why do we Salam (salute) to non- Ahmadis, then the reply to this is that … the Prophet (Muhammad) has said Salam to the Jews… Thus the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) has separated us, in all possible ways, from the others; and there is no kind of relationship which is particular to Muslims and we are not forbidden from (entering into) that”, (Kalimatul Fazsl’, by Mirza Mahmud Ahmad in Review of Religions).
In 1935 that Sir Mohammad Iqbal, a poet philosopher asked the British Government to declare the Qadiyanis as separate community just as they done with the Sikhs. Sir Iqbal said, ‘the Qadiyanis while pursuing a policy of separation in religion and social matters’, however, anxious to remain politically with the fold. The Qadiyanis will never take initiative for separation’, argued Sir Iqbal because their small number (56,000) according to 1931 census would not entitle them ‘even to a single seat in any legislature. The Qadiyanis asked the British Government that, ‘our rights too should be recognised like those of Parsees and Christians reported (Al Fadhi 13th November 1946).
“It was common knowledge that Jalaluddin Qamar, the Ahmedyah Missionary of Rabwah had been serving in Israel since 1956 when Ch. Muhammad Sharif was called back to Pakistan from Israel. All Qadiyani missionaries who had been formerly posted in Israel since 1928 namely J.D Shams, Allah Dita Jalundhari, Rashid Ahmed Chaughtai, Noor Ahmad and Ch. Sharif lived in Rabwah after serving in Israel. Their families had mysterious contact channels when they were in Israel”, wrote Bashir Ahmad in ‘Ahmadiyah Movement: British Jewish Connection.
As far as Jewish help and support is concerned, Mirza Mubarak Ahmad, grandson of the Qadiyani prophet has himself acknowledged in his book ‘OUR FOREIGN MISSIONS’, PP. 79-80 in the following words: “The Ahmadiyya mission in Israel is situated in Haifa at Mount Karmal. We have a mosque there, a mission house, a library, a book depot and a school”.
According to latest reports ‘Altaf Hussain is receiving instructions from foreign players including Indians and $ millions from the business community in Karachi’. He had many meetings with US diplomat Robin Raphael reportedly. Therefore when Altaf Hussain says, ‘LOC should be made permanent border’.
He seemingly follows Indo-US line on Kashmir according to Milligazette.com, ‘US Intentions in Kashmir’ by M. Ahmad Kazmi:
“The US policy-makers in the post-cold war era seem to be increasingly aggressive to implement the Dixon Plan in Kashmir for attaining ultimate target of having a foothold in the region and to use Kashmir as their main operations station. Before going into the US activities in the region it would be useful to understand the broad framework of the Dixon Plan. Named after its author Sir Owen Dixon, who was the UN representative for India and Pakistan in 1950, the plan envisages a division of Kashmir between India and Pakistan. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru favoured this plan, but it was a non-starter because Liyaqat Ali Khan, the then prime minister of Pakistan, rejected it. The US policy makers have resurrected this plan in recent years with some refinement. In the first phase, the idea of recognizing the Line of Control (LOC) as an international border is being mooted through different quarters”.
A senior analyst said, ‘Altaf Hussain’s latest filtration with the Qadiyanis is not a coincident? So what is he up to? Start civil war in Karachi? Cripple the economy? If Altaf Hussain goes down that route then Government of Pakistan should ask for his extradition, closure of so called ‘international secretariat’, international investigation into MQM funds starting from London, Dubai, Kenya, South Africa, Tanzania, Canada and United States. Otherwise it will not be possible to provide a safe route to NATO and allied forces 80% supplies and 40% fuel delivered in Afghanistan via Karachi port? United States and allies need to inform the world what are their real objectives in Afghanistan?’
(Dr Shahid Qureshi is senior award wining investigative journalist and writer on security, foreign policy, and terrorism based in London)
Clearly, there are not 600 Qadianis in the Israeli army. I doubt that there is even one. Estimates put the total number of Qadianis in Palestine at around 600 to 1000. They do have their own satellite station there (expensive, I wonder how they fund it?) and it broadcasts in Arabic, obviously not trying to “convert” Jews at all.
One should ask why the Qadianis there get special treatment and why they never have a bad word to say about the world champion of oppression and tyranny.
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OK now we have got to brass tacks. So tell me exactly, how this is an Islamic position?
Please prove using Qur’an and Sunnah, imagine I am a Palestinian boy, aged 10, who has just lost his family to an Israeli shell. Now imagine looking me in the eyes and explaining your position to me…remember I have never heard of this Mirza Ghulam Ahmad fellow and that you have to explain to me that God wiped my family out because I didn’t believe in this man I’d never heard of…
Should we not start with all the 10 year old boys at the time of Noah’s flood, destruction of all the towns mentioned in the Quran and those towns which were destroyed after that?
A BBC juornalist asked a Talib fighter in Pakistan, why do you decapitate your muslim captives, the police men and army personnel? The pious Talib replies, we slaughter them by severing their jugular veins as it is painless and the soul departs from that vein. Whereas when they decapitate the “kuffar”, they chop their necks from the back to make it more painful for them…
These are the people who are waging war against the infidels as a revenge for Palestine and Chechniya.
I will ignore your gutter journalism where you extrapolate the actions of a small group of people as reported by a biased news source to over a billion people. I will instead proceed to your usual “answer a question with question” question.
You cannot (shamelessly) compare the rejecters of Allah (SWT) with sincere, practising Muslims, most of whom are way better Muslims than any Qadiani I have ever known (myself in the past included, of course.)
So no islam976, let’s start with your answer to the 10-year old Muslim boy, since the deen reached its completion with 5:3, and Muslims like him have been practising ever since. You are not talking to a mushrik, you are talking to a boy who has obeyed the Final Commandments, with `aqeeda explained in Qur’an and with no mention of a Mirza, even elliptically, anywhere, being part of `aqeeda.
..especially when he (Zafrulla) was charged with advocating the unitary state proposal that became the official Arab and Muslim position. Evatt admired his eloquance and depth, and so too did Hodgson, who told one of his Americal colleagues that a partuicularly effective speech by Khan in the Ad Hoc Committee had ‘completey demolished the Jewish case’. From H.V. Evatt and the Establishment of Israel: The Undercover Zionist – Page 126 by Daniel Mandel – History – 2004 – 336 pages
“Guatemala and Uraguay became, quite intriguingly the most Zionophile advocates of partition of Palestine. Garcia Garnados of Guatemala led many an attack on Zafrullah Khan to dissipate the impact created on the world assembly by the Pakistani foreing miniters’s masterly presentation of the case of an independent undivided Palestine. One sharp argument to embarrass Zafrullah khan pointed to his representing a country which had just been created by partitioning India to satisfy a minority’s insistence on a separate state.” Behind the Poison Cloud: Union Carbide’s Bhopal Massacre – Page 102 by Larry Everest – History – 1986 – 192 pages
This was the thread. Can you answer instead of diverting? What you are doing is transparently shameless.
You cannot (shamelessly) compare the rejecters of Allah (SWT) with sincere, practising Muslims, most of whom are way better Muslims than any Qadiani I have ever known (myself in the past included, of course.)
So no islam976, let’s start with your answer to the 10-year old Muslim boy, since the deen reached its completion with 5:3, and Muslims like him have been practising ever since. You are not talking to a mushrik, you are talking to a boy who has obeyed the Final Commandments, with `aqeeda explained in Qur’an and with no mention of a Mirza, even elliptically, anywhere, being part of `aqeeda.
Shahid, completion of Deen has nothing to do with the suffering of any ten year old in the world. The question of suffering is different from that of Divine punishment. If you confuse them both, you will start doubting God.
The point is simple. We accept Islam. We accept the Final Revelation, the Final Prophet and we believe that the Deen is complete.
We are fulfilling our pact with Allah.
How is the `aqeeda of the 10-year old boy who never heard of Mr. Mirza, despite practising the Islam taught by the Last and Final Prophet (saw), in any way, deficient?
Shahid you said;
“You cannot (shamelessly) compare the rejecters of Allah (SWT) with sincere, practising Muslims, most of whom are way better Muslims than any Qadiani I have ever known (myself in the past included, of course.)”
What! Most muslims in my school are so bad, they get excluded for fights, some even have links with drugs, they swear, they talk about dirty things and what not. Muslims swear to teachers, turn over tables and the list goes on… If you call those muslim practices then the discussion ends here.
I love your website and I’m moved by your experience. Please mail me, I would like to network with you insha Allah. I’m hoping to start some Qadiani-related projects relating to publishing…
Dear Shahid and all,
I am from Bangladesh and also Ahmadi. Pakistani Amry killed 3 millions of Bangladeshis in 1971. There were huge numbers of children and women. Even your Pakistani Army and your supporter (Jamate-e-Islami in Bangladesh) branded this war as war against Islam. How do you define it? Why your Islamic Army killed so many innocents in name of your nation and for Islam??? Bangladeshis were not Muslims??
About 10 year old boy in Palestine, its Allah’s wish, nothing to do with belief in our Imam. But it is true if most of Muslims believe in our Imam, peace can be establsihed.
In our heart, we know how much love we have for suffering humanity and Muslims. If you think Ahmadis are lying and hypocrate, Allah will punish us, you need not to bother. But do you know better than Allah, what is inside our hearts?
Islam is religion of peace and freedom. “La ikraha fiddin” It does not matter few people believe in our Imam. History is like that after 100s of years, dynamics will change. Who believe that there will be 1.5 billions of Muslims today?
What will be next 2 bn Sunni or Shiete? Off course, you don’t know, beacuse you are fighting each others. And so called Mullahs are giving Fatwa against other sects as Kafirs. If you consider these, all Muslims are Kafir in some respect…LOL.
We don’t hate other Muslims or sects, or we don’t call other muslims as Kafir. And don’t give an implicit reference from any of our books. We know well, what is in our heart. Don’t try to be Allah, to claim to see in our hearts, and say they are lying.
“Love for all, hatred for none”
very brave man who write this report. miza gulam was a Great liare and altaf also
do u like to have a discussion about ahmadiyyat to me ??i’m ready come forwar ok?/
i dont know why this debate is again started as all of us know that qadianis are non muslims as the of being a Muslim we have the Iman Nabuaat was ended upon Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) and the Quraan is the final book from Allah (SWT) and Ahmedi claims that Mirza Ghulam was the last messenger after Muhammad (SAW) in Qalma tayaba which makes a kafir Muslim means that Allah the almighty is one and there is no other than Allah(SWT) and Muhammad (SAW) is the messenger of Allah (SWT) so when we read Quraan that declares that there is no other prophet or messenger will come after Muhammad (SAW) so how these ahmadis declare mirza ghulam ahmed as a messenger after Muhammad (SAW) as Nabuat has been ended upon him…
When Quran Says that Deen is complete after Prophet Hazarat Muhammad Mustafa (s.a.w) and there will be no Prophet after him. So anyone who declares himself a messenger now, either it is mirza or anyone else is a liar and lots of LAANAT on that person.
To truth:
There is a Hadith “I am the last prophet, this mosque (Masjid-e-nababi) is the last mosque.” Is the Masjid-e-Nababi the last Masjid? Answer is no. But it is the last Masjid founded by Prophet (SAW). So, prophet Mohammad (SAW) is a last prophet but last Shariyat bearing prophet. There are other numerous Hadith in this issue. Ahmadis believe Mohammad (SAW) as last prophet as last Shariyat bearing prophet. I hope that you understand.
To Imran:
This Quranic Ayat can have several interpretations. It does not mean finality of prophethood at all. It can be explained with the above mentioned Hadith.
The interesting thing is Finality of prophethood is not a fundamental belief. It is a matter of interpretation. The four mzhabs (Hanafi, Shafi) divided on the basis of interpretations.
All reference related word “Khatamul Anbiyyan” which means “The best of prophets”. The following is Hadith is self explanatory, “I am Khatmul Anbiyyan, And Ali is Kahatmul Awliyah”, Is there any Oli after Ali? Yes, so it means Ali (RA) was the best of Awliah. I wish that Allah guide us proper direction.
yes true all thanks my friend may God bless you ,,, can i have questions to muslim leaders if any would be given correct argument ,,,, what does mean of ,,, KHATAMULKHULFA. KHATAMULMAHAJEREEN,KHATAMUL KUTTAB. KHATAMUL SHURAA . KHATAMULTAFASEER. etc
AHMADIYYAT ZANDA ABAD <MAY LIVE LONG AHMADIYYAT AND OUR HAZOOR and our jamaat membersin the world
i challenge any scholar of muslims and christianity to have debate with me any time although i’m not scholar or any religious preacher or scholar
HI , peace to all every one,
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Abdulrehman
This site help me alot to find about the activities of qadiyanis in israel’s army
I don’t think there are any Qadianis in the Israeli army. I have not seen any substance to these allegations.